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jk wrote:Noone has a right to anything except life. Thereafter you make of it what you put in or receive for your efforts. Some 'privileged' people have an additional kickstart but they are few compared to the many. I managed to work had and amass enough money through not spending all my time smoking and boozing and whilst having expensive tastes in toys I still managed to have a reasonable lifestyle.Eric wrote:There is no doubt that there are layers of society that are taking obscene financial advantage. Steve would use stronger rhetoric. LOL But at all levels there is a widespread feeling that they have a right to have everything.steve of oxford wrote:Whilst I am all for businesses generating reasonable profits and giving good wages. These wages have to be earned from hard work and commitment to the job and the profits shouldnt be used to pay director bonuses (they should have declared salaries with option to buy shares if it is a PLC), but for reinvestment in the company. Even though I got very good management bonuses at GSK, in principle I think that all bonuses should be paid in shares, not money. This makes the bonus zero taxable if they are held for 5 years which in turn encourages the employee to work hard as it will be reflected in the share price. The John Lewis model works well in my opinion even though there will people who whinge at the idea of employee responsibility and commitment to profits for all.Eric: We have spawned two generations of workshy individuals through a stupendously incompetent benefit system. I disagree. These individuals have been spawned as they are because their areas have been robbed of their industries. Why?...because with our traditional industries our country would be one to be reckoned with, and we can't have that now can we. You take industry away from areas without replacing it, you get social problems. This is not the fault of youth, but the kow towing politicians who've been running this country down for decades and deserve to be hung for treason.We are in the process of a large employment opportunity in our town. Nearly 200 jobs have been created and the successful applicants started their induction and training in the last week of October. As of last Monday, 21 of these have 'jacked it in' citing too rigid discipline, not letting them have time off for family commitments, can't get into work at that time every day, doing their heads in, and not what they thought it would be ...as some of the excuses. It is convenient to assign the blame to incompetent politicians, greedy businessmen and everyone else ...but the fact is, many of our unemployed are unemployable, because of their attitudes, unreasonable expectations and entrenched reliance on money for nothing. All of which is academic, as frankly, I have stopped winding myself up over things I can't change. Edit: just been told that I was being unnecessarily harsh with our local youths. It appears it was only 16 that left...the other 5 were relocated at the company in jobs that they were prepared to do...we hope.
Well I feel depressed as I have no job and I dont desire one as I have worked enough for big organisations. I dont watch TV very often as the TV-cocaine is complete drivel, I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here (why? Have a taste of the real world would be my answer), X-Factor, Coronation Street, East Enders, Strictly Come Dancing.....etc.... The stuff that is useful is on at strange times in the day or night - Question Time and other current affairs programs.The word deprived is banded about too liberally. My brother in law is an employee of the social handout division. He once said to me that " in this day and age a person who hasn't got a TV is 'deprived' ....this could affect their state of mind......and therefore they should be provided with one by the state".
After falling about laughing I said I was feeling a bit mentally stressed myself because I haven't got a Rolls Royce...could he wangle me one. But seriously it underlined for me the basic problem, that if people are weaned on this sort of rubbish they will grow up to expect the world owes them...and inconveniencing themselves (like working a 40 hour week) becomes unthinkable. I suppose in the example I quoted I should be more positive. That 90% of the people have secured jobs and are prepared to work and only 10% are lazy, workshy individuals.But somehow that still doesn't make me warm and content inside.Are you sure the 80/20 rule doesnt apply
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