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| Posted by Ed Hutchinson: Fri Oct 17th, 2014 07:46 | 1st Post |
| HI There I downloaded yosemite (I know the spelling is wrong) and I don't like the look. everything looks flat. the graphics are soft and out of focus. give me Mt Lion or give me a Windoze PC (same as death) This looks like a $2.00 kids computer UGLY BLAH ( can you say cheezy) Apple you missed this one  
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| Posted by jk: Fri Oct 17th, 2014 09:13 | 2nd Post |
| Havent downloaded as yet as I am away travelling but I have seen the betas. I want to see the new photo applications that were promised. There is meant to be a new photo editing software built in to replace iPhoto and Aperture.
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| Posted by Ed Hutchinson: Fri Oct 17th, 2014 09:31 | 3rd Post |
| Hi JK That was my first impression and I still hate the look but I will give it a few days before I sell all my apple gear. A new photo app and take away aperture that we paid for HUMMMM what a deal what if we don't like it? Ed HUM sell apple stuff buy a cheap PC for editing and use the rest of the cash for more glass Now that sounds like a great idea!!  
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| Posted by Ed Hutchinson: Fri Oct 17th, 2014 09:39 | 4th Post |
| I just looked and I still have both iPhoto and aperture icons but I think iPhoto is gone and aperture is in that spot as well as it's own Ed
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| Posted by Robert: Fri Oct 17th, 2014 11:17 | 5th Post |
| Been running Yosemite fsince about June or before? on all my Macs, no issues. I welcome getting rid of that stupid skeuomorphic trend, I don't want my computer calendar to resemble the stained and torn offering hanging in the kitchen door. What matters to me is ease of use, reliability and functionality. Yosemite has all of that in spades. The iCloud Drive has finally arrived although I cobbled it together in OS10.7 and had it working then, it is now official. Each time I save my book I save it to the computer HD and to the cloud drive. That way I have exactly the same files available on any computer, where ever I go and if some b*****d were to steal my computer or heaven forbid there were a fire, the book is safe. Am currently downloading Yosemite for my friend onto both his Macs.  As for iPhoto and Aperture, I won't be sorry to loose iPhoto, as I understand it Aperture hasn't been much upgraded for a long time, spare a thought for the users of the original Final Cut Pro who shelled out big bucks then it was dumbed down to useless. I look forward to seeing the new 'photo' software, although to be honest I don't see it replacing Lightroom and Photoshop.
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| Posted by jk: Fri Oct 17th, 2014 11:36 | 6th Post |
| Do you know what the name of the new photo application in Yosemite?
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| Posted by Ed Hutchinson: Fri Oct 17th, 2014 12:29 | 7th Post |
| Hi Robert Both are still shown in launchpad and both seem to work although they seem different I will spend some time with them later. I see what you mean Robert, I have calmed down since first look and maybe it can stay, I will give IT some more time Ed
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| Posted by Robert: Fri Oct 17th, 2014 19:02 | 8th Post |
jk wrote:Do you know what the name of the new photo application in Yosemite? As far as I can remember it's just called 'Photos', it isn't part of the OS, as far as I know it's due to be released later this year.
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| Posted by Robert: Fri Oct 17th, 2014 19:36 | 9th Post |
Ed Hutchinson wrote:Hi Robert I think a lot of people become attached to the interface, it's kind of comforting having something familiar but to be honest, having used every new OS since about OS2, which was on one floppy; to OS7 which was on 12 floppies then to CD for OS8 then DVD's, finally downloads, When I go back a few versions as I do occasionally, I have one iBook (the computer not the e-Book!!!) on OS 9 and another on OS 6 and an elderly PPC iMac, it's like a time warp, of course I can find my way around but it seems so primitive, almost 'stone age' by comparison with todays OS's, yet in their day they were state of the art. I am sure that will be the case in a fey years time when we are all using tablets! LOL  As for the photo software, Aperture will continue to work just as it does today but Apple will probably withdraw support gradually and eventually after a couple of major OS updates will remove OS compatibility. iPhoto on the other hand will likely be replaced with the new free Photos software at the next iPhoto update, although there may be a small 'pre' update to prepare the iPhoto data prior to the change-over proper. That is purely my opinion for what it's worth, based on what has happened in the past when Apple have consolidated their software I can't speak for Aperture but I had a brief look at iPhoto this evening and I didn't see any significant change, although I rarely visit iPhoto so I'm not an expert, my friend uses it quite a bit and he didn't mention any differences. I did look at the possibility of putting his photo collection in the cloud drive, but almost 70 Gb of Jpegs won't fit too well into 5 Gb of space! 
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| Posted by jk: Sat Oct 18th, 2014 04:49 | 10th Post |
Robert wrote:jk wrote:Thanks
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| Posted by Robert: Sat Oct 18th, 2014 07:18 | 11th Post |
| It seems I an mistaken, release for 'Photos' (for Mac) is predicted to be early NEXT year, 2015. I have searched some info about this new software, (app?) this is the most useful site I could come up with: http://www.imore.com/photos-os-x-yosemite-explained I have checked out my iPhone and realised I have been using 'Photos' for some time... I thought it was just the in-phone repository for photographs but it seems it is the app we are talking about. It's said iPhoto no longer works with iOS 8 I, don't know because I deleted it almost as soon as I installed it due to the space wasting aspect of unwanted software.
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| Posted by jk: Sat Oct 18th, 2014 07:33 | 12th Post |
| Yes the Photos app for iOS has been around for a while and will stay or be somewhat enhanced for mobile devices but the version to be released in Yosemite will be much more powerful (apparently) as it will have RAW processing and enhanced DAm features. However until the laptop/desktop version is released we can only hope and suppose that they will delivered with good functionality. Time will tell but I actually have all I need.
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| Posted by Robert: Sat Oct 18th, 2014 08:52 | 13th Post |
| My expectation is Photos will be fairly dumb software, aimed at 'the masses', consumers, to enable them to share their photographs with friends and family. The practicalities of subscribing for large volumes of storage necessary for enthusiasts, let alone professional users are not realistic. I have well over 200Gb of still image data, I expect many photographers will have Terabytes of image data. Apple simply don't have the structure (or pricing) in place to handle that sort of volume. Not sure Adobe has either but that's another topic (although CC. users do get 20Gb of Adobe Cloud space for image storage). Seems to me this will force a greater divide between the 'snap shot' photographer and the serious, or pro photographer.
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| Posted by Ed Hutchinson: Sun Oct 19th, 2014 05:12 | 14th Post |
| Ok Robert I must say after spending some time with yosemiti it has started to grow on me. There are even some things I like LOL Ed
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| Posted by TomOC: Sun Oct 19th, 2014 13:45 | 15th Post |
| I've been using Yosemite for a couple of days. Had to make a few customized changes from the defaults but they weren't that hard to make. I generally like it a lot...cleaner look and more like iPads. I love the ability to answer phone calls on the mac. Mail seems to be a lot better (but as in Mavericks, i hate the animations and install AveNoAnimations to kill them). iTunes took some tweaking to look vaguely familiar  . Same with Safari but once tweaked, I like it a lot. I deleted Aperture and iPhoto - Lightroom is really the way to go, Ed (adobe now officially has a migration tool for aperture). Now waiting for iOS 8.1 to try the rest of the features.... Cheers, Tom
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| Posted by jk: Sun Oct 19th, 2014 15:59 | 16th Post |
| Tom, seems like you are one of the early adopters. I have seen the betas and cant say that I found it significantly better that Mavericks. I prefer the graphics of Yosemite but I really want to wait for Photos to come before destroying my very nice Mavericks setup. What improvements have you seen in Mail that you like. I havent tested it with Mail as yet.
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| Posted by Ed Hutchinson: Sun Oct 19th, 2014 16:39 | 17th Post |
| Hi Tom What did you do to mail ? mine does not work at all , I have to go to gmail to get mail is something I need to change Ed
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| Posted by Robert: Sun Oct 19th, 2014 17:53 | 18th Post |
| Ed, try removing your account in Mail prefs and re-entering your details.. Are you using POP or IMAP? My friends was on POP, I re-entered his setting with IMAP and it was OK.
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| Posted by jk: Mon Oct 20th, 2014 09:41 | 19th Post |
| Updated to Yosemite on my Macbook Air. No problems at all. All I needed to do was to download the legacy Java update from Apple and all my applications were working correctly. Saved the Install DMG away on a USB for installs on my other computers when I get back to Spain.
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| Posted by Ed Hutchinson: Thu Oct 23rd, 2014 00:15 | 20th Post |
| Hi Robert I tried your idea, but still nothing, on the one account the others seem to be fine Since that email works on the other browser I haven't really worked with it. I'll get bored one of these days and fix it or not LOL Ed
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| Posted by TomOC: Thu Oct 23rd, 2014 14:07 | 21st Post |
| JK- Most of Yosemite is either "under the hood" or cosmetic. The biggest thing I see that I love is the ability to answer a phone call on my iMac...very nice. iMessage works much better...much better. iCloud drive sounded like an interesting alternative to DropBox but I turned it off once I realized it REQUIRED user login each time you started your mac...NOT! I'm sure there will be a workaround for that... I think the handoff feature SOUNDS the coolest but is the least likely to use feature in the whole magilla...at least for me. More importantly, iOS 8.1 seems to really make all the iOS devices work together so much better... Not really thinking I'll be using the Photos app at all...removed Aperture and iPhoto completely and have settled in with LR as my go-to photo app (of course I use "edit in" PS much of the time, but everything starts and ends in LR now. I wasn't afraid of jumping on Yosemite...with a million beta testers, I didn't think there was much risk and there hasn't been anything serious or even alarming in the whole upgrade. Tom
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| Posted by TomOC: Thu Oct 23rd, 2014 14:12 | 22nd Post |
| Ed- My email "worked" fine with the upgrade. What I hated about Mavericks email and also the Yosemite version of it was the animations of screens flying in and out when you replied and viewed messages. I removed all the animations by installing a script called NoAnimations which is a forge source script that is free and I've been using since the week that mavericks came out with no problems at all (except that you need to reinstall it with every update of the OS or mail app). I think Robert's advice on removing pref files is a good one. If that doesn't work, I would disable and re-enable each account. If that doesn't work, delete each account and set them up again. Haven't had that kind of problem in several years but this little exercise has always worked in the past for me. It is pretty trivial if you hare using IMAP accounts. Tom
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| Posted by jk: Thu Oct 23rd, 2014 17:48 | 23rd Post |
| I had this Mail problen when I moved my main machine to Mavericks but I did like Tom suggests and deleted the four different ISP mail accounts then re-input the account details and all worked fine. If in doubt go to the Apple Store. They are very helpful.
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| Posted by Robert: Thu Oct 23rd, 2014 19:50 | 24th Post |
TomOC wrote:
Tom, I have been using iCloud Drive since day one, I don't have to sign in once I have signed into the Apple ID on my computer. I would have to sign out of my Apple ID to cause me to have to sign in again to access the iCloud Drive. I tried it just now, I 'saved as' an Excel spreadsheet to the iCloud Drive, shut down all software then re-started the computer and launched Excel, I then opened the spreadsheet from within Excel all without having to sign in to my Apple iCloud account. I do the same thing with Adobe InDesign, I have never had to sign in to the iCloud due to re-starting (or cold starting) the computer. I find the iCloud drive more convenient than DropDox in use, although I still use DropBox for file exchange to non Apple users. May I suggest you check that there isn't a tick box somewhere that says 'Keep me Logged in to my account' which needs ticking? That is something I have never experienced once in relation to my Apple ID. Another suggestion regarding ways of overriding unwanted 'features' is Tinker Tool, an alternative set of preferences which are VERY useful For example I don't want my screen shots to be TIFF, Tinker tool allows you to select from several file formats, I use JPEG. I dislike the translucent menu bars and headers, in Safari they are a downright nuisance making stuff in the header difficult if not impossible to read; if you look in 'Accessibility' in the Apple preferences you will find the control to reduce transparency (which actually seems to remove it completely!). Also If you hate the magic mouse acting as a track pad as I do you can also turn that off in 'Accessibility' too. I use a proper TrackPad, having the mouse act as a track pad at the same time isn't ideal when doing fine editing of text, the curser can easily select something entirely unwanted and the results can be extremely vexing. I have just started experimenting with LightRoom interchange with my computers and my iDevices. Took me a little while to understand it, but now it has filtered through the servers it seems to work well. I am interested to see it it also works between desktop and laptop, maybe not...
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| Posted by Robert: Thu Oct 23rd, 2014 19:55 | 25th Post |
jk wrote:I had this Mail problen when I moved my main machine to Mavericks but I did like Tom suggests and deleted the four different ISP mail accounts then re-input the account details and all worked fine. My friend was still having issues with his mail on one of his iPads, it was refusing to send, the outgoing mail just sat obstinately in the outbox but refused to go any further. After much probing I discovered the a second 'Alternate' eMail SMTP server had been set, with garbled settings. I deleted that eMail account on that iPad and re entered the settings correctly; it has been OK since.
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| Posted by TomOC: Fri Oct 24th, 2014 13:36 | 26th Post |
| Robert- I agree on translucency - I turned that off immediately iCloud doesn't require me to log in with my Apple ID, it requires that auto login to the mac itself be turned off (or I missed something). Do you use Auto Login on your mac? I leave my macs on auto login except when traveling and don't find iCloud compelling enough to change that behavior Seems like Apple is going over the top on required users security (better than under doing it but they are now in the stage of over-reaching and creating a nanny operation...IMNSHO) I have about 9 months to go on my DropBox subscription and I am in no hurry to test iCloud with important files... I will probably move to it eventually, but DropBox has been bullet proof (as has Copy ) so I want to be sure there are no growing pains with a new service like this. Tom
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| Posted by Robert: Fri Oct 24th, 2014 16:14 | 27th Post |
TomOC wrote:Robert- I set the log in so long ago I forgot about it! LOL I think I am using Auto Login although I hadn't realised it, I regarded it as 'No - Login'. Screen shot below... The trouble with security is they are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't! Attachment: Screen Shot 2014-10-24 at 20.13.45.jpg (Downloaded 29 times)
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| Posted by jk: Fri Oct 24th, 2014 16:55 | 28th Post |
| Never used AutoLogon. My machines are always secured by username and password. Like Tom I prefer to use my local filestore to a clouded one!
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| Posted by Iain: Sat Oct 25th, 2014 11:33 | 29th Post |
| I have had no problems with Yosemite at all.
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| Posted by Bob Bowen: Thu Oct 30th, 2014 08:46 | 30th Post |
| Upgraded two machine to Yosemite with no probs. Everything works fine apart from my Graphire 4 tablet (2008) which seems to be abandoned by Wacom as far as new drivers go.
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| Posted by Robert: Thu Oct 30th, 2014 09:22 | 31st Post |
| My large A3 Intuos 2 tablet isn't responding on Yosemite but I haven't investigated that yet. My other more modern Intuos tablet with the control ring, refused at first, Apparently the Wacom upgrade for Yosemite won't work correctly with Yosemite. Also the control panel is said not to work at all in the latest version. However, the previous version works OK. I don't have all the version numbers to hand, they are mentioned in this thread: http://forum.wacom.eu/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20533 I installed 6.38-2 RC and the control panel (Pref's) and the tablet work OK. Apparently the 'correct' (latest as of ~20 Oct 2014) drivers produce wiggly lines and unexpected behaviour.
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| Posted by Bob Bowen: Thu Oct 30th, 2014 13:14 | 32nd Post |
| I have read that Wacom are saying that Graphite is too old in the tech stakes and thus no new driver. Come on Wacom it is only a fancy mouse and my oldest mouse still functions. Seems they are offering a 20% discount voucher if one upgrades.
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| Posted by Robert: Thu Oct 30th, 2014 17:53 | 33rd Post |
| If Wacom aren't prepared to support older gear then they should throw the software over to open source and let some kids sort it, may even teach Wacom a thing or two!
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| Posted by jk: Fri Oct 31st, 2014 07:54 | 34th Post |
Robert wrote: If Wacom aren't prepared to support older gear then they should throw the software over to open source and let some kids sort it, may even teach Wacom a thing or two! That is my view on all software. If the company goes into administration or the software is retired then it should be made open source so that the assets are not wasted. However many companies feel that doing this 'exposes their methods and intellectual property'. Absolute rubbish especially if they have retired the software. Even if there is a new version then after a time the methods and code used in the software has been or should have been so improved that it would take significant rework to gain any significant commercial advantage.
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