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steve of oxford
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Harwood has been cleared of manslaughter by a jury without conscience. Disgraceful, IMO |
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Robert
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It seems he shouldn't even have been employed by the police because of his record and sidestepping activities. That said, these things happen, it was wrong and he admits that. Not sure I could handle some of the crap which is hurled in those situations. I think restraint is easier said than done. There is also the 'police can do no wrong' factor. No matter what, they are considered to be in the right. That is why they should be paid properly, have good leadership and given the means to do their job properly, whether that means the right equipment or effective laws. In many cases the laws exist but the courts are so wishy washy in the way they apply them that the criminals laugh all the way home. My two penny worth. |
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Constable
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I tend to agree with Robert. Despicable but ****-up rather than conspiracy. |
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Constable
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Gosh look at all those stars! |
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steve of oxford
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What sticks in my mind is the footage of when it happened, Mr Tomlinson was bludgeoned to the ground, and oh what a surprise despite there being a few hundred coppers there who saw it not one of 'em gave assistance, just casually walked on as if nothing happened. Now, if a civilian attacked another civilian like that in front of coppers do you suppose they would still walk on by? I don't think so. Because it was one of them who did it....."we didn't see it guv" Had some of them done something to help straight away that guy might still be alive. It's the TSG mob again....same mob responsible for many a riot and death over many years. What people don't realise is this TSG lot are basically the renamed infamous SPG that was supposed to have been disbanded years ago for unprecedented thuggery and corruption. But craftily it was never disbanded, just renamed. Governments use this force as a personal ShutzStaffel whenever the English assert their right to demonstrate against corrupt and unfit leaders. Of course the hypocrisy is all too evident when these leaders bleat on about oppressive regimes in other countries....what's their excuse then for deploying the TSGSS against people going about their enshrined English right to demonstrate? Watch the space, Harwood might no longer be with the TSG but you can be sure he'll be replaced with another like him. Give me 5 mins with Harwood, he'll know what he is. I'm considering writing a public letter to camerclegg explaining I do not pay my taxes for the employ of thugs like Harwood or the TSG. Electro-cardio disruption (banned under international treatise as an instrument of torture), spy cameras, trial without jury, extraditions to the US for not breaking any English law. Coming soon....Orwellian England...edit: here now. |
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steve of oxford
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Constable wrote:I tend to agree with Robert. Despicable but ****-up rather than conspiracy. The judge ordered Harwoods previous not disclosed to the court, why? if it was a civilian in the dock on a manslaughter rap you can bet his previous would be admissible. Of course it was nobbled. Bent judge who knows the government's TSGSS thugs mustn't be penalised. TSG = corrupt government's primary safety device. We have plenty of bent judges in this country, Blair put them there. This is why we have fixed public inquiries amongst other things. The whole system is rotten to the core. |
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richw
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steve of oxford wrote:
This is normal, and results in consistent miss-carriage of justice, if jury's knew the background of half the people they find not guilty there would be a lot more folk in jail. |
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blackfox
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hmmmm i,m not sure on this particular one ,yes we saw the victim bludgeoned to the ground ,but we never saw or heard the moments leading up to it . as a ex night time taxi driver i can assure you that the abuse that public servants get from alcoholics ,drunkards,and worst of all drug abusers is something which pushes the limits of credibility ,till you have actually experienced it yourself i don't really think you can pass judgment . also evidence from another viewpoint will give a completely different aspect to things ,the camera or video camera can lie if its in the right hands . all i can add is in my 20 years of dealing with pissheads and junkies and there abuse having to defend myself from unwarranted personal and verbal attacks on numerous occasions i have totally gone off consuming alcohol in any form ,if i drink 6 pints per year for social circumstances thats above my limit . its very easy to sit in your comfortable home and pass judgement without knowing the FULL facts |
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steve of oxford
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Blackfox;...till you have actually experienced it yourself i don't really think you can pass judgment . Ah but, I can pass judgement because....I'm a taxpayer and my tax money has been wasted on public servants who are clearly unaccountable, and in this case on a murdering SPG thug, not to mention the £million or so the trial might have cost, and the bent judge's wages. There's also the fact that none of the lice nearby who saw it did anything, just casually strolled on leaving a man dying, ignoring what one of theirs had done as if it never happened. Mr Tomlinson like any other English person had every right to be there. This is what happens when you don't truly disband the SPG and simply rename it. New name, same old thugs. SPG were scum back in the 70's & 80's....they're still there, still scum, still bludgeoning the public just because the PM and his Home secretary don't like the English electorate getting too close. The SPG have a new role, no longer do they focus on provoking black people, nowadays they're employed by the Prime Minister of the day as a personal SS. "its very easy to sit in your comfortable home and pass judgement without knowing the FULL facts" you don't need to know 'em, all one needs to know is an arrogant bully employed by the met unlawfully killed a civilian, and is walking free because of a bent judge. Obviously, it's ok to go and kill someone by pushing them to the ground with a large stick, it must be ok, Harwood is told it's ok so it must be. .....then again his skills might have extended to a bit of masonary, one wonders. |
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jk
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Constable wrote: Gosh look at all those stars!I cant see any Prof? Must that Alpine air  |
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jk
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steve of oxford wrote: Blackfox;...till you have actually experienced it yourself i don't really think you can pass judgment . Need to be careful here folks. There are general forum rules. Whilst I might agree with some of the sentiments the tone of the posts need to be a bit less provocative or 'aggressive' lest we all fall into the hands of the black shirts and thought police. I think we are better placed if we provide rationale and reasoned arguments rather than subjective comment on stuff that is without proof. Personally I think there are many aspects of the law that need reform. The last and current governments have presided over a drop in standards in society which reflect the society we live in. To paraphrase a famous 60's politician.... This once proud nation is now the laughing stock of the world. Identify the politician and events  How can a country be taken seriously when it has politicians who cant manage and unions who are so completely out of touch with world events that they think it useful and effective to call strikes at a time when the whole nation is in the public eye. Truly a decaying third world nation that is pompous enough to believe that its banana republic is the centre of a great empire. Back to the original topic about the policeman getting off. I think that in criminal proceedings there has to be clear evidence to find a person guilty or if lack of evidence to acquit. In this case I believe that the police have a unique position of law breaker, law enforcer and evidence gatherers so a clear conflict of roles. Since the perpetrator is still around but the vital witness is dead the policeman would get off under reasonable doubt!!! I dont agree with the verdict but ...... the reverse would be that you accuse somebody of murder and hang them without trial because they have a face that you dont like!! Balances are difficult to achieve. Hence the statue on/at the Old Bailey.!! |
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jk
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BTW: Did you know it was an offense in England and possibly in the UK for more than 12 people to come together in public to have a demonstration without prior notification to the Chief Constable and permission being given by his office. I think this is equally worrying. This is a breach of free speech and provides for the police to arrest people from any gathering of >12 people. A cricket/football team, public meeting about general events, etc. |
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jk
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richw wrote: steve of oxford wrote:I agree but then again this is because sending a person to prison is meant to 'reform' them, not teach them new tricks which is frequently the case so they are meant to be new and honorable people after prison! I rest my case when you see the Home Office statistics about reoffenders. Personally I'd be happy to steal a loaf of bread to be transported to Australia, these days, but in 1800s I'd rather starve. |
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steve of oxford
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JK: "Whilst I might agree with some of the sentiments the tone of the posts need to be a bit less provocative or 'aggressive' " .....well at least I can't be accused of murdering the public while in their pay. "Did you know it was an offense in England and possibly in the UK for more than 12 people to come together in public to have a demonstration without prior notification to the Chief Constable and permission being given by his office.| .......perceived offence. Like for instance most of the laws you cite in preventing free speech, are not English laws, they're actually 'Blair laws', which I hasten to add are not in the least recognised by me. Didn't vote for him. Don't agree with anything he did. Don't like him. Don't recognise his office, in fact you may be surprised to learn his 1997 election was illegal, but the fact was covered up. So what has this coalition done to reverse what the traitor did?....nothing, zilch, nowt, absolutely nothing at all. In Fact Cameron is lately being accused of emulating Blair.....so my question is; who's working the strings and is our nation so pathetically conditioned now as to naively accept some other big foreign power's quislings? It would seem so. Example of this is in the Tomlinson case, the PM and Home Secretary have to authorise TSG (really still the SPG) deployment. In the G20 summit this was done, along with government request for illegal kettling simply to make sure no one got near a certain visiting head of state, and an English man was sacrificed. Now,....while we're on the subject of state sponsored murder....around these parts i.e. Abingdon, and in reference to a certain weapons inspector.....you'd be hard pressed to find anyone with a good word to say about Blair, or the Orwellian sham he left us with. " Truly a decaying third world nation that is pompous enough to believe that its banana republic is the centre of a great empire." yup, agree with that, but add it seems to me more case of a certain superpower cannot do it's business on it's own and needs us, this is why we have quislings in government. Taking Blair as an example, I always maintained he must have been on the CIA payroll. "lest we all fall into the hands of the black shirts and thought police." .....I frequently chat to some of our Atlantically challenged cousins, and generally I find they're scared stiff of a black Chevy van turning up outside their house. Fortunately over here most Englishmen are not in the least intimidated by the mandate-less treasoners in government or their foreign paymasters, and if truth be told could probably outwit the goons in any case. Not wishing to be too provocative, if I had my way any member of parliament caught kow towing to a foreign power would be put through Traitor's Gate & sent to the block. Foreign countries have their problems, but they're not out problems and we shouldn't be spending money & life getting involved. We're a piddly little island which was wrecked by quisling Blair and we're left with the ramifications to deal with, besides, our special relationship friend's problems are of it's own making....nothing to do with us, especially as that country has been taking the P since 1945....time we dumped them. |
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steve of oxford
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"Personally I'd be happy to steal a loaf of bread to be transported to Australia, these days, but in 1800s I'd rather starve." nah I've seen enough of Home & Away and neighbours to put me right off. |
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Robert
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steve of oxford wrote:nah I've seen enough of Home & Away and neighbours to put me right off. Are they still on? I haven't watched TV for years.  |
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steve of oxford
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Robert wrote:steve of oxford wrote: Yes the missus watches the lot. They might be reruns on satellite for all I know, but I've seen enough of 'em. The scriptwriters seem hell bent on filling the place up with illegitimate people, waifs & strays etc. Not that I have anything against Australians, nice people in fact. As for going there under forced transportation a few hundred years ago.....stuff that! Just goes to show the English injustice system had some pretty evil judges. (still has actually) Some of our ancestors would have a lot to answer for. |
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