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| Posted by Iain: Fri Jul 27th, 2012 09:36 | 1st Post |
| One of my friends has got a window pc and a ipad, he has downloaded and connected to iCloud. Things will transfer from the ipad to the pc but not the other way round i.e. from pc to ipad. I have looked at his settings and they all seem to be right, what am I missing? Any advice welcome.
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| Posted by Robert: Fri Jul 27th, 2012 09:56 | 2nd Post |
A Mac?  Don't know Iain, is the PC set up with the appropriate software? I think there is a download for a PC to enable that end of things. It isn't JUST a matter of logging into the iCloud via the internet. It should just work.
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| Posted by blackfox: Fri Jul 27th, 2012 10:39 | 3rd Post |
| is he going through i-tunes ian ,that could be the missing ingredient,don't put that much on mine these days as the wifes taken it over as a games machine .but when i did it had to go via i-tunes
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| Posted by Iain: Fri Jul 27th, 2012 11:03 | 4th Post |
Robert wrote:A Mac? Thats what happens when you mix good with bad.  I think it may be a case of starting from scratch.
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| Posted by Iain: Fri Jul 27th, 2012 11:04 | 5th Post |
blackfox wrote:is he going through i-tunes ian ,that could be the missing ingredient,don't put that much on mine these days as the wifes taken it over as a games machine .but when i did it had to go via i-tunes Not at the moment but if we can't get it working any other way it might have to be through iTunes.
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| Posted by Robert: Fri Jul 27th, 2012 14:23 | 6th Post |
| Can we be a bit clearer on this please Iain. What EXACTLY is your friend trying to do? iCloud has nothing to do with iTunes. iCloud allows you to share bookmarks, contacts, Calendar entries (appointments) and images (via PhotoStream) it can somehow synchronise your audio library (songs) but it does that by allowing multiple devices to share from the Apple iTunes server, NOT (I believe) by actually transferring the songs via iCloud. What I think you may mean is how do you synchronise the iPad with the PC iTunes library ? Have found this page which probably answers all your questions. http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1455 And this: http://www.apple.com/icloud/setup/ The screenshot below shows what iCloud can work with on the Mac. Attachment: Screen Shot 2012-07-27 at 19.13.23.jpg (Downloaded 57 times)
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| Posted by KenRay: Fri Jul 27th, 2012 16:28 | 7th Post |
| It never ceases to amaze me to how things go in a circle and are always considered 'new'. When I started in computers ,many,many years ago there were few standalone computers due to the expense. One of the answers then was to use terminals such as teletypes to connect with a mainframe server (a cloud) then computers got more reasonably priced and it was best for everyone to have all data and programs resident on their own mainframe. Then timeshare became the norm and then PC's came along. Now we are back to a 'new' invention, 'the cloud'.Sounds like a song that goes 'everything old is new again'. I just have to wonder what magic is next -- Mainframes and terminals,maybe???????????????
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| Posted by Iain: Sat Jul 28th, 2012 10:16 | 8th Post |
Robert wrote:Can we be a bit clearer on this please Iain. What EXACTLY is your friend trying to do? Hi Robert, He hasen't got iTunes installed he is just trying to work with iCloud. He can get things to go from his ipad to pc but nothing goes from pc to ipad. All the settings seem right.
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| Posted by Eric: Sat Jul 28th, 2012 12:16 | 9th Post |
Iain wrote:Robert wrote: Right IP address??
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| Posted by Iain: Sat Jul 28th, 2012 14:28 | 10th Post |
Eric wrote:
I never checked that one Eric.
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| Posted by Robert: Sat Jul 28th, 2012 14:46 | 11th Post |
| Would say if the IP address wasn't right nothing would work? I would try step by step through the setup link I posted. Also I have found turning the cloud off, then back on again can sometimes clear a jam. I had planned to set a PC up for the children at their place but have been avoiding the challenge. I want to set an Apple ID for Michael but he has to be 13 before he can have his own ID. That means I may have to set a second ID up for myself, for him to use.
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| Posted by Doug: Sat Jul 28th, 2012 21:04 | 12th Post |
Robert wrote:Would say if the IP address wasn't right nothing would work? I had a client with a family pack including 1 account for his <13 yo daughter - unofficial advice from an un-named support channel was just to lie
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| Posted by jk: Sun Jul 29th, 2012 03:49 | 13th Post |
| I havent used iCloud as for me I dont like the idea of off site data storage that is out of my control. DropBox offers similar features and works across multiple platforms. ITunes offers synchronisation with iOs devices for music but in v10 they built in a new checking that allows you to check your library against the iTunes store for up to 20000 tracks. I have more mp3 files than that so it doesnt work for me.
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| Posted by Doug: Sun Jul 29th, 2012 04:46 | 14th Post |
jk wrote:I havent used iCloud as for me I dont like the idea of off site data storage that is out of my control. Dropbox ≠iCloud
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| Posted by Robert: Sun Jul 29th, 2012 15:05 | 15th Post |
Drop box and iCloud are completely and utterly different. I think Doug said that!  (So are IBM Mainframes)  It doesn't matter which Mac computer (Running Mountain Lion) or iDevice you use the same data is there, seamlessly. I can work on a document on my laptop, turn to my desktop and it's there, or I can work on a document at home, visit somebody, open the laptop and it's there. This is NOT restricted to Apple software, it works with any software, although I wouldn't use it for very large files especially with a slow internet connection, although I have put 100Mb images in the cloud for testing purposes. Change or add a bookmark, calendar entry, address book entry or note etc. and it's instantly updated on all my Apple devices. Faster than I can move from one device to the other. You CAN store data 'in the cloud' but the main purpose is document synchronisation, which it does seamlessly and without a glitch. I wouldn't normally 'send' data to an external person or organisation via the iCloud, because as it stands you would have to share your Apple Log in details with them. IF BIG IF I bought an iPad (or any other Mac running Mountain Lion), the instant I entered my Apple ID, all my Bookmarks, Notes, Calendar entries, eMail, Contact details and some other stuff, if I ask for it, will automatically appear on the new device, just like that. And the moment I remove my Apple ID it will all evaporate from the device, poof gone. Drop box doesn't do that.
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| Posted by Eric: Sun Jul 29th, 2012 18:28 | 16th Post |
Robert wrote:
That's assuming the software you use to perform these functions on your PC are syncable. Not sure you could sync emails already downloaded to an email client like Outlook? I would have thought you need to be using webmail? Personally I think all this syncing and immediacy is a bit claustrophobic.
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| Posted by Robert: Sun Jul 29th, 2012 19:02 | 17th Post |
| Regarding Syncing I am speaking Apple only I have no experience of PC's in that sense. I can see the scope for PC synching would be very limited. As for the immediacy and convenience, I find it invaluable, constantly moving between two locations and regularly travelling to other random locations with or without a mobile internet connection, I can pick up exactly where I was no matter which computer I am using, EVEN if it's off line. (Provided it had the opportunity to sync before it went off line of course.) To me this had been the missing piece of the jigsaw of computing. My first impression of the cloud was dismissive, I saw no need to have identical bookmarks on all my devices, nor any other enforced synchronisation. It doesn't work like that. With bookmarks it has forced me to organise them better so they work as well on my laptop 13" screen as on my 24" home screen. But for documents you can choose if you want to make them available to the other devices via iCloud or not. Some I share, some I don't, easy. The data exists on the client computer or iDevice it was created on, in the iCloud, if that option was chosen when the document was first saved and it exists on any other computer or iDevice which is signed into that account. I am finding working with broadly one set of data across several computers and locations is a dream.
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| Posted by Doug: Sun Jul 29th, 2012 21:22 | 18th Post |
Eric wrote:Not sure you could sync emails already downloaded to an email client like Outlook? I would have thought you need to be using webmail? Claustrophobic? Quite the opposite, it's complete freedom Re: syncing mails from Outllook Again - outside of the gamut of iCloud with one exception If you ever had an email address from Apple (@mac or @me) but owned a PC and used Outlook then yes, emails would just sync with Mail on any Apple device This is because Apple use(d) the IMAP protocol instead of the aging POP If you have GMail or have used IMAP with any address in Outlook then your experience should be similar except it is NOT icloud doing the syncing, but rather your web server (this has been possible for at least 13 years) Most people don't know of the advantages of IMAP and some services (Bigpond and Hotmail for most of it's history) do not permit IMAP usage (it does require more storage and more chatter with the server) Many people just use webmail to get similar functionality, but of course you can't manage that or send/receive easily without being live and logged in
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| Posted by Eric: Mon Jul 30th, 2012 05:06 | 19th Post |
Robert wrote: Regarding Syncing I am speaking Apple only I have no experience of PC's in that sense. I can see the scope for PC synching would be very limited.I can see in your situation where you are regularly moving between 2 locations and wanting to continue working on something, how it could be useful. Personally I have all my planning, appointments, to-do lists and day to day stuff exclusively on the ipad ...which either sits (like an old fashioned diary/notepad) on my desk, on the armchair or travels with me. I have no need to access my office computers from any other location as all my immediate reference items are with me. I cant work with Quark, Indesign or want to use Photoshop on an ipad. In fact I regard these ipad limitations, to be a blessing .... not being a a slave to work when away from the desk. Recent completed work (awaiting client approval) and my portfolio are in my Dropbox so they can be accessed if required. (eg. to make reference to some work or show a client something on screen) I have as yet never had such an urgent need to change artwork while sat in the supermarket carpark or down the beach. Work and other computing tasks can wait till I get home....in just the same way phonecalls used to have to wait before the advent of mobiles. Nothing really spoils...except in life threatening circumstances. Dont get me wrong, they, and mobile computing are a huge benefit to many people and critical in some situations. I just think for many, there's a bit of the emperor's clothes about this supposed need to be 'in contact' with the mothership all the time.
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| Posted by richw: Mon Jul 30th, 2012 08:12 | 20th Post |
| One big benefit for me is instant backup. I use my iPad a lot for work and have had iCloud syncing since Lion. I have dropped the iPad a couple of times and there is a bit of damage, if not for the security of iCloud I would probably have replaced it as I would be worried about losing data if it failed. With iCloud this is not an issue, everything is instantly backed up. By the way I installed Mountain Lion on Sat, so far everything is working well, but I have annoyed my wife sending her SMS messages from the computer to her phone using Messages. With a proper keyboard I can finally keep up!
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| Posted by Eric: Mon Jul 30th, 2012 08:17 | 21st Post |
richw wrote:One big benefit for me is instant backup. I use my iPad a lot for work and have had iCloud syncing since Lion. I have dropped the iPad a couple of times and there is a bit of damage, if not for the security of iCloud I would probably have replaced it as I would be worried about losing data if it failed. With iCloud this is not an issue, everything is instantly backed up. Fair comment.
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| Posted by Robert: Mon Jul 30th, 2012 08:30 | 22nd Post |
richw wrote:With a proper keyboard I can finally keep up! 
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| Posted by jk: Mon Jul 30th, 2012 19:04 | 23rd Post |
| Ok so iCloud doesnt work except on Apple platform, that doesnt worry me as I mainly use Apple kit these days but..... I also have Windows and Linux boxes which are outside the cloud. Whilst I can see the need or desire to have all or some of your data synchronised between multiple machines it does not work for me! Why ? 1. Because I dont have sufficient confidence in external people to securely maintain my data and personal files. 2. I dont want some idiot in the FBI or CIA who desires to see my data being able to sub poena or just snoop, my data and I have no right of redress. Apple as a US company are obliged to release information to authorities in USA who deem it necessary for interests of national security. National security is a smokescreen to hid behind the paranoia of people who fear hyped up threats e.g. WMD and Iraq !!! 3. I dont have the internet bandwidth to allow an effective and rapid data transfer to do the sync without compromise to my mail and internet use. Yes the sync can happen as a trickle feed but when my current bandwith is 1Mb max. I dont want any further compromise. 4. I can sync my own files over my network so why should I get Apple to do it for me. Remember there is no such thing as a free lunch! I rest my case. It is NOT for me. It may work well for others with more internet bandwidth or without a personal network.
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| Posted by Robert: Tue Jul 31st, 2012 03:45 | 24th Post |
| I think Apple have kinda tried to make bit's of it work with other OS to give users a taster but bear in mind it's far from fully implemented even in Mountain Lion, where most of the functionality is embedded. Each new OS version is introducing more aspects of the iCloud. This IS ground breaking despite Kens assertion that it's old hat, the implementation of a world wide remote synchronisation on this scale and with this level of detail is a massive undertaking. Apple are feeling their way, one piece at a time. Apple are also listening to feedback and are prepared to backtrack on some features if there is sufficient pressure. 'Save As' has been restored now in the latest version. Regarding background synchronising of the minor data (bookmarks etc), if you want to enjoy the broad 'Apple Experience' then you have little choice but to go with the flow. You can turn off some or all aspects of the iCloud but I see that as far too much a self denial. I see no harm in syncing my bookmarks, calendar, contacts and stuff. If the FBI want to know my business they have plenty of ways of achieving that even if I was running a totally cloud free network. It would be a simple matter to install a bot which eMailed my keystrokes for the day to them. However, I think they have enough genuine threats to monitor without bothering with me. The only data I actually put in the iCloud are minor personal things, mainly drafts which I am working on and notes. The way the data is saved to the cloud seems to be very economical, with the exception of the 100Mb TIFF images I have put in the iCloud, I have not noticed any delays on my connection as a result of 'stuff' being transmitted. My home internet connection is very flakey and is now running at <700Kb. A phone call and it all falls apart but I have had no issues with bandwidth and the iCloud. Embracing the iCloud is obviously a personal thing but for the average person, I think the benefits outweigh the snags. I refused to have a bank card for years, I ALWAYS used cash for everything, I still strictly minimise my involvement with 'job' outfits like PayPal but my life hasn't fallen apart since I started to use the bank card. There is little difference between the bank card and eMailing and the iCloud, sensitive personal info is being transmitted and stored outside you control by organisations who would sell their soul for a dime, which have to kow-tow to the authorities and have little allegiance to me. Of all the companies out there I think I would trust Apple most but they still have to kow-tow to the authorities. The lunch is already paid for. >$600 Billion in the bank, cash? Apple see this as their way to further dominate the market by having such an appealing, feature rich product they become irresistible to the user even at premium prices. Who in their right mind pays £500 for a phone??? Just my two cents to the debate!
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| Posted by jk: Tue Jul 31st, 2012 04:25 | 25th Post |
| I can see the appeal but I remain unconvinced maybe I have too many machines and of different OSes. I find the Apple money in the bank very interesting as Apple has always placed itself as a 'hardware' company but more and more the hardware is becoming notihing more than a commodity (that is beautifully designed) with great software on it. This places it more into a head to head with Microsoft. I'd love to see what all this looks like in 100 years. 
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| Posted by jk: Tue Jul 31st, 2012 04:30 | 26th Post |
| I can see the appeal but I remain unconvinced maybe I have too many machines and of different OSes. I find the Apple money in the bank very interesting as Apple has always placed itself as a 'hardware' company but more and more the hardware is becoming nothing more than a commodity (that is beautifully designed) with great software on it. This places it more into a head to head with Microsoft. I'd love to see what all thos looks like in 100 years.
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| Posted by Eric: Tue Jul 31st, 2012 07:46 | 27th Post |
Robert wrote:I think Apple have kinda tried to make bit's of it work with other OS to give users a taster but bear in mind it's far from fully implemented even in Mountain Lion, where most of the functionality is embedded. Each new OS version is introducing more aspects of the iCloud. This IS ground breaking despite Kens assertion that it's old hat, the implementation of a world wide remote synchronisation on this scale and with this level of detail is a massive undertaking. Apple are feeling their way, one piece at a time. The concept of iCloud makes a lot of sense for people who need to access and modify data in multiple locations and on different computers. For many, it's 'going with the flow' when they never really needed to get wet. After all, the whole idea of a laptop was so you could take your work with you....and not need to use a third party computer in different locations. If you work off the laptop all the time there is no need to sync with a second or third computer. As a free backup service icloud does has value. ( incidentally I just discovered I DID set up an iCloud account and enable the backup feature when I got the iPad...amazing what you forget!) But I personally don't need that degree of synchronicity in my life and anyway I don't have (or want!) Windows 7, required for it to work with PCs.
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| Posted by Iain: Tue Jul 31st, 2012 09:28 | 28th Post |
| I tend to use it to put photos in, I can keep more accessible and add and subtract as needed. While I like the ipad I would have sooner had a macbook.
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| Posted by Eric: Tue Jul 31st, 2012 11:36 | 29th Post |
Iain wrote:I tend to use it to put photos in, I can keep more accessible and add and subtract as needed. I use Dropbox for that.
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| Posted by Iain: Wed Aug 1st, 2012 06:39 | 30th Post |
Eric wrote:Iain wrote: But you only get 2gb free with dropbox it's 5gb with iCloud
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| Posted by Robert: Wed Aug 1st, 2012 08:43 | 31st Post |
| Not sure how suitable the iCloud is for sharing data with others as it is at present, it means sharing your Apple ID and PW with others who may be strangers. That may well change as the iCloud develops and evolves.
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| Posted by Eric: Wed Aug 1st, 2012 10:21 | 32nd Post |
Iain wrote:Eric wrote: Fair point. I don't like to keep many images on the net at anyone time so 2gb is fine for me. I supply clients with a link to their dedicated folder, so they can view or download the imges...then delete files when they have been completed. Can you share a folder of images on iCloud? I was under the impression you have one password and that gives access to everything? Which of course isn't ideal when sharing the space with several customers.
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| Posted by Robert: Wed Aug 1st, 2012 11:17 | 33rd Post |
Eric wrote:Can you share a folder of images on iCloud? I was under the impression you have one password and that gives access to everything? Which of course isn't ideal when sharing the space with several customers. Not as yet although there may be a public or restricted 'Guest' folder in the future as there is in the OS. There are external services like dropbox for that type of transmission of files, I think Apple regard sending files to external clients as outside their scope of operation. But, who knows, if it makes a few dollars they might do something. Leave no stone unturned...
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