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| Posted: Mon Jan 7th, 2013 02:07 |
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jk
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I'm not an advocate for doing nothing but I think the Al Gore camp are scaremongers with an agenda. Not sure I know what they want. I am sure we should be using less natural resources i.e. oil, minerals and should be expending effort to encourage recycling, repairing rather than go get a new one!
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| Posted: Mon Jan 7th, 2013 02:37 |
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richw
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KenRay wrote: I think it is more or less accepted that weather runs in cycles. Some longer than others and maybe even cycles within cycles. At only 79 years of age I probably haven't seen enough cycles to be a prognosticator of them. I know I have lived in southern Arizona for over 30 years and few years have been the same in relation to weather. One Christmas you can go swimming and the next Christmas it snows.I had a tomato plant that lived in the garden for 2 years and produced tomatos and one Christmas I planted a Poinsettia recieved for Christmas near the front door and it grew to 15ft tall. What does all this show,probably nothing but it does show that weather is in constant change. Some years bird migrations are huge some years there are almost none (and I pay attention being an avid birder). It does make an interesting discussion though I doubt there will be much concensus. I guess it depends on your definition of consensus. For example in excess of 99% of meteorologists qualified to PHD level world wide believe that man made pollution is having a definite and measurable affect on climate change. (Source National Geographic magazine) In many circles 99% would be considered a consensus.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 7th, 2013 02:44 |
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jk
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richw wrote: KenRay wrote:I think it is more or less accepted that weather runs in cycles. Some longer than others and maybe even cycles within cycles. At only 79 years of age I probably haven't seen enough cycles to be a prognosticator of them. I know I have lived in southern Arizona for over 30 years and few years have been the same in relation to weather. One Christmas you can go swimming and the next Christmas it snows.I had a tomato plant that lived in the garden for 2 years and produced tomatos and one Christmas I planted a Poinsettia recieved for Christmas near the front door and it grew to 15ft tall. What does all this show,probably nothing but it does show that weather is in constant change. Some years bird migrations are huge some years there are almost none (and I pay attention being an avid birder). It does make an interesting discussion though I doubt there will be much concensus. I'd certainly agree that man made pollution is having a definite and measurable effect on the climate which is is why I think that a reduction in the use of natural resources such as oil and minerals is made. This book is a very interesting read SMALL IS BEAUTIFUL by E. F. SCHUMACHER It brings into focus the falseness of modern economic theories.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 7th, 2013 02:47 |
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richw
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jk wrote: I'm not an advocate for doing nothing but I think the Al Gore camp are scaremongers with an agenda. Not sure I know what they want.I agree - I think solar energy - especially with the way costs have plummeted in the last two years for solar panels is significantly under utilised. Currently 3% of Germanys electricity usage is from Solar sources, some analysts believe this will be at 25% by 2050 and payback times on the investment are down to single figures in years as householders sell back excess to the grid. Now 3% doesn't sound like a lot (but its a lot more than any other country) but it's the kind of incremental change that starts to make a difference combined with other advances. It's not popular with the power companies however as most of the revenue from solar generation is going back to the households that have generated it rather than the corporation. I don't understand why it's not being more actively pursued though, this done to the max would be economically sound and make a significant contribution to the overall picture.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 7th, 2013 09:35 |
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Eric
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richw wrote: jk wrote:Actually...it's very noticeable in Germany. When I was there in May we remarked on how many houses had 'spoilt' their lovely red tiled rooves with solar panels!I'm not an advocate for doing nothing but I think the Al Gore camp are scaremongers with an agenda. Not sure I know what they want.I agree - I think solar energy - especially with the way costs have plummeted in the last two years for solar panels is significantly under utilised. 
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| Posted: Mon Jan 7th, 2013 10:56 |
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Constable
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No question that solar is part of the future energy package. It is not the only component though. Every region and community will have to find a package of sources that fit the local conditions. The problem is not primarily one of technology (the challenges are being and will be solved) but rather one of social acceptance. From the trivial NIMBY response to having wind generators in your locality to the question of changing social practice (recycling, end of life cycle materials reclamation, longer life cycles) and expectations (are you prepared to accept a change in life style or not to expect an ongoing increase). The equation is a very complex one (and fortunately keeps me employed in both jobs). The Schumacher book recommended by Jonathon is essential reading for anyone in this area of research. Ed
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| Posted: Mon Jan 7th, 2013 11:04 |
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jk
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Well I try not to switch on lights until it is dark but am completely profligate when it comes to my technology and I also leave the units with the external PSU plugged in and switched on so this uses a few extra watts even when the unit is switched off I try to recycle as much as possible and I also try to not throw away my old electronics until they break down as I like old toys as well as new ones. I still have an old circular slide rule that I was given 48 years ago! It is wonderful as it needs no electricity. However I also do a lot of my calculations in my head as that is the way I was taught. When I was at school you got maths right or wrong, binary. No marks for getting the right thought but the wrong answer!
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| Posted: Mon Jan 7th, 2013 12:09 |
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Eric
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jk wrote:. I still have an old circular slide rule that I was given 48 years ago!Is that an Otis King?
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| Posted: Mon Jan 7th, 2013 12:16 |
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Eric
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Constable wrote: No question that solar is part of the future energy package. It is not the only component though. Every region and community will have to find a package of sources that fit the local conditions.I feel the UK is lagging behind with incentivising domestic energy generation. I have a large south facing roof crying out for solar panels....but it will take me 15-20 years to recover installation costs. I don't plan to be living here in 15 years ...so unless I can lump this cost onto the sale price, it's lost money. One of my neighbours has just had panels installed and I will monitor his return with interest.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 7th, 2013 12:39 |
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Robert
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Eric wrote: "I feel the UK is lagging behind with incentivising domestic energy generation. I have a large south facing roof crying out for solar panels....but it will take me 15-20 years to recover installation costs. I don't plan to be living here in 15 years ...so unless I can lump this cost onto the sale price, it's lost money.<br> One of my neighbours has just had panels installed and I will monitor his return with interest." I have a friend who is having panels fitted, his concerns match Eric's. He is having his electricity supplier install the panels at their expense, he will still have some saving on the cost of his electricity with due allowance for his non investment. He believes that it will enhance the value of his property because it brings savings on the energy bill with no capital investment or risk, on his part. What the???  JK?
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