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blackfox
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we should all know by now about the horse meat **** up .seen all the jokes etc and sat back wondering what the hell is going on ,and what are we really eating .
but what astonished me this afternoon was a govement minister on BBC t.v stating that we couldn't ban the import of european meat as it was against EEC rules and regulations .personally i find this attitude stinks and if we have a government that won't act on behalf of the well being of the public its really time for them to go
if this was france the lorry drivers would be blockading the ports to stop imports ,the unions would be calling a all out strike ,but we just sit back and take it .and listening to some of the things that have come to light over this it turns out that the rules only apply to certain types of food .i.e the steak and kidney pie you eat should really be called animal meat (unknown source) and kidney pie .
whats your views 
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jk
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Well I understand that some people dont want to eat horse, similarly dont want to eat human either but........ Some people dont mind as long as it is cheap!
For me I would rather make an educated choice about my food so if it says beef then it comes from cattle, likewise when it is lamb or mutton it comes from sheep. So if it is beef lesagne then it is lesagne made from meat that comes from cattle. Likewise if it says meat lesagne then I want to know where the meat came from.
If I wanted horse lesagne then I would go looking for it specifically.
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Eric
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blackfox wrote:
we should all know by now about the horse meat **** up .seen all the jokes etc and sat back wondering what the hell is going on ,and what are we really eating .
but what astonished me this afternoon was a govement minister on BBC t.v stating that we couldn't ban the import of european meat as it was against EEC rules and regulations .personally i find this attitude stinks and if we have a government that won't act on behalf of the well being of the public its really time for them to go
if this was france the lorry drivers would be blockading the ports to stop imports ,the unions would be calling a all out strike ,but we just sit back and take it .and listening to some of the things that have come to light over this it turns out that the rules only apply to certain types of food .i.e the steak and kidney pie you eat should really be called animal meat (unknown source) and kidney pie .
whats your views
There is no EU regulation that says that food manufacturers have to buy and use imported meat in their processes. They do so for cheapness.
But ironically imported meat doesnt have to be inferior. It's down to what they are prepared to purchase...and the purchaser's auditing procedures.
I was in Poland and the Soviet Union in the 1990s setting up manufacturing operations for an international food manufacturer. Part of my remit was also to promote some of the meat products that the UK company made. It met with universal distaste. Why? Because these so called 'backward' eastern bloc countries ate freshly home prepared meat products supplied from their local butcher...just like we did in the 1950-60s. The quality difference was undeniable!
One of the reasons for me leaving the food industry 18 years ago, and setting up a photography and design company, was my experience in the processed food world and the realisation I was part of the problem.
The other was that they offered me serious b*gger off money to stop being a burr under their saddle.
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Squarerigger
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So, you all take exception when you read the ingredient list and the first item is "meat like product"? Where's your sense of adventure?
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I've just heard on the news that this suspect meat has come from an abattoir in Roumania. This shocked me.
I didn't realise there were any Roumanians still at work.
Most are packing for the move to the UK for free handouts.
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jk
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Squarerigger wrote:
So, you all take exception when you read the ingredient list and the first item is "meat like product"? Where's your sense of adventure?
Alligator? Seems OK to me as long as I dont have to catch it.
However in US I would rather have a steak as it is where I have always managed to get good steaks. Just dont eat steak in Spain unless you want gristle and poor steak.
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Kathy Baker
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Squarerigger wrote: So, you all take exception when you read the ingredient list and the first item is "meat like product"? Where's your sense of adventure?
I lost it when I got mad cow disease and went crazy
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Kathy Baker
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Eric wrote: I've just heard on the news that this suspect meat has come from an abattoir in Roumania. This shocked me.
I didn't realise there were any Roumanians still at work.
Most are packing for the move to the UK for free handouts. They were just sending their food source on ahead.
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richw
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jk wrote:
Squarerigger wrote:
So, you all take exception when you read the ingredient list and the first item is "meat like product"? Where's your sense of adventure?
Alligator? Seems OK to me as long as I dont have to catch it.
However in US I would rather have a steak as it is where I have always managed to get good steaks. Just dont eat steak in Spain unless you want gristle and poor steak.
Really good steak here too JK, makes up for the beer!
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jk
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richw wrote: jk wrote:
Squarerigger wrote:
So, you all take exception when you read the ingredient list and the first item is "meat like product"? Where's your sense of adventure?
Alligator? Seems OK to me as long as I dont have to catch it.
However in US I would rather have a steak as it is where I have always managed to get good steaks. Just dont eat steak in Spain unless you want gristle and poor steak.
Really good steak here too JK, makes up for the beer! Happy to buy the one way ticket and fund myself until I die as long as you arrange the residents permit.
Just tell me when and I'll do it.
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Squarerigger
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According to the news, UK is now having issues with spaghetti sauce. Or should we just call it "horsey sauce" from now on. Seems some sauces have tested to be 60 percent horse meat.
Earlier today, I put the package of ground beef (?) back in the freezer I had put out to defrost for supper and got out a piece of salmon instead. Looks like real salmon anyway.
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Squarerigger wrote:
According to the news, UK is now having issues with spaghetti sauce. Or should we just call it "horsey sauce" from now on. Seems some sauces have tested to be 60 percent horse meat.
Earlier today, I put the package of ground beef (?) back in the freezer I had put out to defrost for supper and got out a piece of salmon instead. Looks like real salmon anyway.
I would put it on eBay.co.uk......you will get a good price for it over here.
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Squarerigger
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Eric wrote:
Squarerigger wrote:
According to the news, UK is now having issues with spaghetti sauce. Or should we just call it "horsey sauce" from now on. Seems some sauces have tested to be 60 percent horse meat.
Earlier today, I put the package of ground beef (?) back in the freezer I had put out to defrost for supper and got out a piece of salmon instead. Looks like real salmon anyway.
I would put it on eBay.co.uk......you will get a good price for it over here.
Really does make me stand back and shake my head in disbelief. There just doesn't seem to be anything one can trust anymore where money is involved. The further away from our food source, the more difficult it is to be confident in what we are putting in our mouths.
Wonder if my neighbors would be upset if I raised a cow in the yard? Just thinking out load here.
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Robert
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Squarerigger wrote:
Eric wrote:
Squarerigger wrote:
According to the news, UK is now having issues with spaghetti sauce. Or should we just call it "horsey sauce" from now on. Seems some sauces have tested to be 60 percent horse meat.
Earlier today, I put the package of ground beef (?) back in the freezer I had put out to defrost for supper and got out a piece of salmon instead. Looks like real salmon anyway.
I would put it on eBay.co.uk......you will get a good price for it over here.
Really does make me stand back and shake my head in disbelief. There just doesn't seem to be anything one can trust anymore where money is involved. The further away from our food source, the more difficult it is to be confident in what we are putting in our mouths.
Wonder if my neighbors would be upset if I raised a cow in the yard? Just thinking out load here.
You would probably be OK with a horse? 
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Squarerigger
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Robert wrote:
Squarerigger wrote:
Eric wrote:
Squarerigger wrote:
According to the news, UK is now having issues with spaghetti sauce. Or should we just call it "horsey sauce" from now on. Seems some sauces have tested to be 60 percent horse meat.
Earlier today, I put the package of ground beef (?) back in the freezer I had put out to defrost for supper and got out a piece of salmon instead. Looks like real salmon anyway.
I would put it on eBay.co.uk......you will get a good price for it over here.
Really does make me stand back and shake my head in disbelief. There just doesn't seem to be anything one can trust anymore where money is involved. The further away from our food source, the more difficult it is to be confident in what we are putting in our mouths.
Wonder if my neighbors would be upset if I raised a cow in the yard? Just thinking out load here.
You would probably be OK with a horse?
Actually, when I was young in the early 1950's my father was stationed in France and we lived on an active farm. The owner and his family used to invite me for meals once a week or so and I remember having a very tasty piece of meat for supper one night. I was told it was horse meat. I thought it was very nice at the time.
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Squarerigger
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In the interest of "world peace", I am proposing introduction of a new breed of food product. It will be called the cow horse. Should make everyone pleased to eat a meat product again. Attachment: riding_cow_horse_01.jpg (Downloaded 16 times)
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KenRay
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I'm really a lover of a fine steak,but have my protein intake reduced from kidney disease so I miss them very much. But the absolute best I have ever had,and I have had a Kobe Steak which is SUPPOSED to be the very best,was in South Africa and it was from Zimbabwe.Superb steak. If you are upset about being served Horse meat you should come here to the US of A. They even get upset here when they kill wild horses for export for human consumption and even take a big exception to using it in dog food. A horse is in a special category here.
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blackfox
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KenRay wrote:
I'm really a lover of a fine steak,but have my protein intake reduced from kidney disease so I miss them very much. But the absolute best I have ever had,and I have had a Kobe Steak which is SUPPOSED to be the very best,was in South Africa and it was from Zimbabwe.Superb steak. If you are upset about being served Horse meat you should come here to the US of A. They even get upset here when they kill wild horses for export for human consumption and even take a big exception to using it in dog food. A horse is in a special category here.
thats the problem ken ,the majority of us brits feel exactly the same way.a horse is a pet animal these days .not part of the food chain .what we going to have next ,badger and fox meat from the proposed culls .and we appear to have a weak insipid gov. that would rather sit in parliment and log on to sex sites about extra marital affairs than deal with the real problems facing our country .
perhaps the expression gone to the dogs is coming true ,we will probably be eating them next 
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KenRay wrote:
I'm really a lover of a fine steak,but have my protein intake reduced from kidney disease so I miss them very much. But the absolute best I have ever had,and I have had a Kobe Steak which is SUPPOSED to be the very best,was in South Africa and it was from Zimbabwe.Superb steak. If you are upset about being served Horse meat you should come here to the US of A. They even get upset here when they kill wild horses for export for human consumption and even take a big exception to using it in dog food. A horse is in a special category here.
I had a Kobe steak in the restaurant in Philadelphia and it was top quality. Dont know where it came from but it was definitely beef and I assumed that it was USA grown!
Argentina is also meant to produce very high quality meat.
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KenRay
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As far as I know Kobe beef comes from Japan,at least what I had did. It is definitely good as is the price.
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jk
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So now it was not horse but donkey or mule.
All seems a bit equine to me!
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blackfox
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quiet funny this morning sky news was outside a rather dodgy looking abbotoir in yorkshire that has just been shut down by the FSA and the disgruntled owner and co workers were throwing snowballs at the sky news team
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jk
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blackfox wrote: quiet funny this morning sky news was outside a rather dodgy looking abbotoir in yorkshire that has just been shut down by the FSA and the disgruntled owner and co workers were throwing snowballs at the sky news team
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blackfox wrote:
quiet funny this morning sky news was outside a rather dodgy looking abbotoir in yorkshire that has just been shut down by the FSA and the disgruntled owner and co workers were throwing snowballs at the sky news team
Just a spot of horseplay.
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