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blackfox
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I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER FLICKR USERS ON HERE ,BUT THIS WEEKS CHANGES HAVE GONE VIRAL ,never seen so many people up in arms at once . heres just one letter from a member that i think puts the feeling across properly Trell Burton | http://www.trellburton.co.uk says: Photographers suffer accusations of paedophilia and terrorism when they are in fact just being creative. We get pushed from pillar to post and threatened with new laws and lawsuits. Police officers are happy to tell you in the street you cannot take photos without their permission when they understand little of the laws. We've had equipment confiscated, and memory cards wiped. We've suffered arrest, then release, then apology and compensation. We've been thrown out of buildings and spat at in the street. Where would the world be without photography? Who would know what had happened in Rwanda, in South Africa – during the civil rights struggle of the US that has moved the world forward? Who would stand up for the little people and show what really happened at Hillsborough and the recent Boston bombings – how does all that get across to the world? Through photography. And what about the happier times? Your wedding, your kids, your 21st birthday? What about the need for a cool passport photo? What about seeing two kids playing in a street and lifting your camera to capture a moment in time? What about following in the footsteps of Henri Cartier-Bresson? Well now photographers the world over have been overlooked, insulted, and denounced by Yahoo. The very people who made Flickr famous have been stabbed in the back and told they do not exist by Marissa Mayar. Their needs are not appropriate in the modern world of capitalism not when there's the 13 to 25 year old age group who enjoy messing around on their mobile phones, taking photos of their food and their endless nights out. And what's wrong with that? Nothing, of course. That's why that demographic is firmly embedded with Facebook and Instagram and Tumblr and Pinterest. They are comfortable with those platforms just as we were with flickr. It's way too late in the day for Flickr to become a social network run mainly from mobile phones. To that end Yahoo, and Marissa Mayar have shot themselves in the foot. This new site will never take off with serious photographers, people who lug about heavy cameras and bags and diligently work through post production techniques. Yahoo you have told your customer base to go forth. Many, many of your customers will happily take your advice. Let me not forget to mention the sneaky way it was done. Without warning. Without choice. Let's not forget anyone with an ounce of sense can see this was designed by someone with much youth and not much experience at life. Clearly someone with no understanding of photography. Let's not forget the deafening silence from Yahoo and Flickr and Mayar during the first 24 hours of their new site while they sit hiding reading all the feedback while 15,000 photographers at least panic about who shit on their work. Where are you Marissa? Are you afraid to speak to your customers? Or where there just so many pleas for help that you decided to disable Flickr help support until you can figure out what to do or wait for it all to blow over? This will not blow over for me. And Marrisa, with 12 photos on your Flickr account, and having been a member since December 2012 – what exactly is it you think you understand about Flickr? Not as much as us, clearly. You have cut off the majority of UK users as we simply don't have the bandwidth the site requires to operate. I'm guessing you knew this already. Not only that, many of us cannot even download the photos we paid and trusted you to look after. The first response I got form your help team told me it was my fault. It was my browser, it was my firewall, I need a faster connection. Grow up! It's because you have changed the site, I changed nothing on my computer. The second response was deafening silence and that silence continues. I, along with many others, have invested almost a decade on my Flickr account – uploading the millions of pictures you are so fond of quoting to speak of your site's success and we never deserted you despite alterations and rumours of site obscurity. We've adapted to all your changes and embraced the good ones. None have been as diabolical as this one. All the others were little add ons to make the experience better and the site more functional – for photography. Well, good luck with stealing the market from under the feet of Facebook and Instagram, you may well need it. Success is always an arc. From the mid 2000's you were locked in obscurity and each picture we uploaded took you a little further up the arc, then a little more as the years knocked on. This resulted in you achieving fame and being the site most associated with photography (in case you don't realise, mobile uploads are a bit of fun and cannot really be classed as photography) and photographers – though many associated with this site protest this. 'Flickr was never built for professional photographers'. Who cares? That's what happened - serious amateurs to those earning a living from newspaper photography have made this place their home, and you just evicted us without warning or any chance to take our things to a new home. We're homeless now and are scrambling around in the dirt to find a new abode. You reached the top of your arc Flickr, and now you're on the way down |
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Robert
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Interesting, thanks for posting. Not a surprise to me, the only thing these organisations do is try to dominate, they don't care anything about their users, only care about maximising revenue. Presumably they are counting on there being more followers with mobile phones than cameras, therefore they will attract a larger membership, in their view. Larger membership = greater revenue. As for a photo host presumably there are others besides flicker? Time to move on and patronise somebody who appreciates good work? |
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jk
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Had heard the shouts but I only use Flickr occasionally. I think that the whole capitalism model in US business is completely misunderstood. The facts are most modern boards of large organisations are there for 3-5 years with maybe a second spell of a similar amount of years. In their contracts they have critical success factors and goals. Achievement of these goals yields big bonuses. They are all in it for the money not for the good of the customer. Sorry but the sooner the whole pile of them discover that the customer is king and needs to be well treated. This always used to be the case in US until the 1990s when these new style contracts came into being. The customer has become a vehicle for delivery of shareholder profit and director bonuses! |
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TomOC
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The whole Flickr thing is way overdone. Marissa misspoke. End of story. Flickr upgraded everyone's accounts dramatically and except for the very few pro accounts that needed more than 1tb of storage (which is now free), it was a move that made their account free instead of pay-a bad thing? All of the uproar is symptomatic of our total resistance to ANY change imho.... |
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blackfox
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tom it goes far deeper than that its now totally ugly to view ,hard to find anything .i feel like i have just lost hundreds of friends |
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Squarerigger
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Flickr? What's a Flickr?  Do I need one? |
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Robert
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C'mon! you must of heard of flicker? LOL No I don't think you need one, but some swear by them, (or at them?). It's a public online photo album. It's years since I even looked at it. I have a very vague recollection I created an account but I never uploaded anything to it. I couldn't quite see the point. Good thing we all see things differently. |
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Squarerigger
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Robert wrote:C'mon! you must of heard of flicker? LOL Yes I have heard of flickr Robert. I have never looked into what all it does as I figured it was just another "social" media item. I have seen where folks refer to their Flickr album but not being a Facebook person or owning a smart phone I just brushed it off. I don't share photos with anyone but family or on here occasionally. When I share photos with family or friends, I get prints made or send a memory stick which I get back for the next go. Maybe I am just showing my age?  I do have to say the fellow who wrote the article did seem a bit steamed! |
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Robert
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They do get steamed, I suspect Jeff showed os one of the more rational letters! Some of these forums get very steamed! LOL I reproduced that item that Tom brought to our attention the other day about Adobe going 'cloud only' with the CS range, on a closed forum, the members went crazy when they read it. The thread has gone over 200 posts and counting! Some very heated exchanges there, it was news to them all, there are quite a few graphic designers and they hadn't heard about it. I just stood back and watched!  |
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Squarerigger
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Cruel but funny Robert! You are a trouble maker and to think you are an administrator |
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Robert
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ROFLMAO! There you go, there is no justice. I am bored, waiting for tomorrow so i can order my new web domain, been working on spreadsheets all week, I need a little fun... |
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blackfox
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yep robert your right as always ,quite steamy on there at times ,i think i have only told around 4 people to go elsewhere to breed today ,so not bad going really .i got over 3000 pics on there and a timeline that goes back to when i starting getting serious ,so a tad upset about being flickerd off like a dog turd  >:( |
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Robert
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Presumably you have the images backed up, there must be other sites? Uploading and organising 3000 images is a lot of work, even over an extended period, it must be very vexing. Have you considered your own site? I am just about to start one for family stuff. £3.95 a month gets you a Gb of webspace. There are plenty of cheap/free galleries you can upload, then you can direct your buddies to look on there. |
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blackfox
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wouldn't know where to start rob ,but you can send me details to peruse please |
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TomOC
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blackfox wrote:tom it goes far deeper than that its now totally ugly to view ,hard to find anything .i feel like i have just lost hundreds of friends I can see that. My own use of flickr has been not at all social. I post stuff there because it is easy to upload to and I can post large files and let others download them or not. I missed all the social side of it - I get that here and on the RangeFinderForum  Tom |
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