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Graham Whistler
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London Camera Centre said I had the first in their Southampton Store. All looks good with no bad new so far. First pix is only my home but will do better ASAP. Focus is so fast it is going to be great for tracking birds in flight with my long lenses. Motor drive also very quick as per specs. In shop put in my new Lexar XQD 32 GB card 440 MBS Ref 2933 and took test pixs in shop then message came up wrong cart type could damage card!! So shop sold me a Sony XQD 32 GB also 440 MBs M type. Work fine then later when not in shop same message came up. Both cards were formatted in camera befor taking pixs. Reformatted both now at home and both working fine and no more messages. Both XQD Cards are in page 386 of instruction man listed as approved cards but the Sony is a type M and in book approved types are G.S.H & N. However both work fine and after reformatting yet again no more messages. Put in a Lexar Pro SD 32 GB card 300 MBs Pro Card Ref 2000 also got message card can not be used it may be damaged but like the XQD cards formatted again no message and working fine? Will phone Nikon on Monday but seems all is well. Attachment: D500 First.jpg (Downloaded 52 times) |
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jk
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Great news Graham. Be interested to hear what Nikon Technical have to say. I can wait for mine. However if Amazon dont pull their finger out I will cancel my order. Current order status is supply after 11th June. |
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jk
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Give it a try at high ISO (25600) on the light around. The results I have seen from the D5 in very low light are amazing. I expect the D500 to be almost as good. |
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Graham Whistler
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I have never seen such good auto focus on any SLR. The tracking of moving objects with my 500mm F4 Nikon AF-S lens is spot on like this Wood Pigeon at bottom of my garden just now. The motor drive is very fast and focus and tracking holds on all shots of a burst of 10 shots! Just spoke to the LCE shop about the fault message and we both think it could be a software error? No problems since as I have been using the camera a lot to learn its systems. So far so good! Attachment: W Pigeon0086.jpg (Downloaded 49 times) |
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Robert
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Glad to hear it Graham, when I tried it at the launch day in Manchester it just felt so 'right', difficult be more detailed than that on a brief encounter with an unfamiliar device but it seems I wasn't wrong. Not sure I would want to make that level of investment in a DX format body now, I think JK makes a good point about waiting for the smaller body FX version which will no doubt be on the horizon soon. The D5 is very expensive unless you are really earning from it. |
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Graham Whistler
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Light weight and DX is big advantage for me wanting to use 500mm lens that becomes 750mm with DX. With my D810 focus was too slow with that lens and with FX and birds you find most of time crop off a lot of the image. Also the high ISO much improved, big advantage needing high speeds for flight pix. Attachment: BH Gull 3016.jpg (Downloaded 46 times) |
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Robert
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I agree Graham, DX has it's advantages but what I am saying is an FX version of the D500, or putting it another way a cheaper D5 without the multitude of features and robustness. Ultra high definition of the D810 carries speed penalties, the D5 is, or feels, even faster/crisper than the D500. A small bodied new FX sensor etc. which is as fast as the D500 would be worth having. That's all I was saying. Your images are outstanding for clarity, despite the forum software. |
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jk
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My Amazon order now showing that it is being prepared for dispatch next week for delivery before 23rd May. I wait to see. It is the first time I have bought a camera from Amazon. |
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Eric
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I think this is a case of horses for courses. I am sure a lighter D5, whatever it's eventually called, will be a distinct benefit for people who want a cheaper lower spec fx body with pro performance. As we know, the advantage of DX comes into its own when longer reach is required, as in wildlife and sport photography. A DX body is better than a teleconverter and more advantageous than cropping an FX image. It also uses the sweet spot of FX lenses. For long reach photography the D500 sounds like a no brainer. Besides its here...well it will be when stocks arrive. I never saw the benefit of waiting and lusting for the next generation camera coming along in x months, x years time. Of course it will be better....but when do you stop waiting and use what you have? If Ansell Adams had known digital was coming would he have waited on the basis it would be lighter easier to use etc etc? Right at this moment, if you cannot take superior photos with a D810, D750, or D600, then a D900 isn't going to help. I am happy with the D750 quality and performance. But I see the advantage of having a dedicated long reach body for specific situations....and the D500 sounds like a good retirement present for me to accompany the D750. |
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Eric
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Graham I would be interested to hear if the focusing speed is any less on your 80-400mm? |
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jk
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Eric wrote:I think this is a case of horses for courses. I find my D600 is very good but the AF in low light is not as good as the D3S. My aim would be to get a ?D900? to replace my D3S so I have a higher MP and better AF camera than both my D3S and D600. I will then release my D3S, D700 and maybe also my D600. My D300S will move to underwater use once I get my D500. My D800 is somewhat of an anomaly as I find it noisy e.g the mirror slap is very noticable to me.. Also it has too many MP for every day use, but it is great for very detailed work such as landscapes. |
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Graham Whistler
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Eric have only had the camera 2 days so 80-400 has been on the D500 and it seems to work well but need more time to see. However would think the big 500mm would have the edge but perhaps by more so in poor light. |
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jk
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Just had notice from Amazon that my D500 is on its way to me. |
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Graham Whistler
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I have reported the error message "This card may be damaged" to Nikon NPS in UK. They are not worried as I told them both cards are now working fine and no more error messages. I have promised to keep them informed if it comes up again. Now off for the day to use the camera and my 500mm lens! |
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jk
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Well I certainly hope it was just some stray stuff on the XQD cards. Still need to get a XQD for the D500 but I have a couple of fast Sandisk Extreme 32GB SD cards 90MB/s to use in the mean time. I cant decide what size XQD card to get. 128/64/32GB. Looking forward to getting my D500 to test. I was getting worried it was not going to arrive before my trip to Lithuania. Now I need to work out what lenses to take. |
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Eric
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jk wrote:Well I certainly hope it was just some stray stuff on the XQD cards. Are you taking the campervan to Lithuania? |
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jk
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I was going to but my friend would then need to drive his car by himself and me drive the camper alone. Seems stupid to do that, so we are going in his car and I will fly back to Spain or UK. |
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Graham Whistler
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Memory cards at risk warning notices still there on this afternoons shoot but pix all OK. Phoned NPS Nikon again and they do not know why but would like me to return camera to them. I said I will make contact again in two days as I want to do more tests first. Results with camera are first rate and all other systems work perhaps just a software glitch on my camera? Error message comes up two or three times every hour on whatever card is in use including high speed top grade SD Cards in 2nd slot. I am using only approved cards as named in the D500 instruction book. |
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jk
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Graham, Have you tried an SD in the camera? It may be that there are some new firmware in the XQD cards that is causing issues. |
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Graham Whistler
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Yes the SD Card also brings up the same error warning. |
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Iain
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Not a good start Graham. |
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Graham Whistler
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Error message still comming up with any card XQD or SD pix of message attached. Will phone NP{S re return in the morning. Attachment: Card Error.jpg (Downloaded 39 times) |
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jk
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I will see if this occurs on my D500 when it arrives. I hope that this does not occur and that it is a quick fix for your camera Graham. |
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Graham Whistler
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May be the last pix with this D500 as NPS Nikon may change it for a new body.It the post to them in the morning. Sunset over the Solent this evening. 80-400mm Nikon lens at 1/200 f9 175mm ISO 400. This lens works very well on all focus modes with the D500 almost as quick as the big 500mm f4. Attachment: Sunset0257.jpg (Downloaded 36 times) |
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jk
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Just ordered a Lexar 64GB x2933 XQD card for the new arrival. Hope it get here in the next 10 days. |
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jk
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Graham, it will be interesting to know if they repair or replace your D500. |
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Graham Whistler
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Camera plus both XQD cards and SD card in pre paid by Nikon post today will keep you informed. My friend in our camera club is pleased with his D500 and has no problems. |
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Robert
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No doubt Nikon tech will want to have a very close look at it. http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3995521 |
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jk
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D500 has arrived and so has the Lexar 64GB XQD. I must say it seems lighter than the D300S, maybe it just fits my hand better. Just spent the last half hour customising all the stuff on the D500 so I am all ready to use. I must say that the options for the new custom Fn and other button assignments are very nice. The new battery is charging but I have spare Nikon EN-EL15 batteries as they fit in the V1 and D600. Now to go out and test.  |
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jk
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I just checked their weight with batteries, the D500 is 860g while the D300S is 938g. Superb and it feels just as well made. |
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Graham Whistler
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Robert thanks for the link re card problems. Strange that Nikon UK said my problem is first they have heard? My camera now with them now. Good luck with yours JK. My friend Malcolm is very pleased with his and I think he is going to join our Forum. Like me he is a keen Nikon DSLR user and a retired professional photographer. |
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Robert
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No prob Graham, I am sure the problem will be resolved, it just takes the icing off the cake when you have issues like this. It seems the issue may be related to the cards rather than the camera, but it may be a bit of both? Leading edge technology is never easy... Good luck with it. |
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Eric
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Robert wrote:No prob Graham, I am sure the problem will be resolved, it just takes the icing off the cake when you have issues like this. Have to agree with you. So disappointing that manufacturers get caught out so many times with what seems like inadequate research into compatibility issues. We see it in cameras, software, domestic appliances, cars...you name it. A facet of modern lfe we could do without. It doesn't put me off getting a D500...just makes me less of a pioneer. |
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Iain
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Eric wrote:Robert wrote: |
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Eric
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Iain wrote:Eric wrote: |
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jk
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Yes as the cameras become more electronically complex and with options to put multiple different makes of card/attachment onto to it it seems we have more problems. I am sure Nikon will resolve it very quickly. |
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Graham Whistler
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E-Mail from Nikon that my camera has been repaired today 20th but no info of what is wrong. With luck then it should be back early next week. |
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Robert
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At least they don't seem to be passing the buck, by blaming the cards. Hope that's the end of the matter. |
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Iain
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Eric wrote:Iain wrote: |
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Graham Whistler
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Tracked repair this morning and it is taking longer than they first thought. |
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Robert
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Did you note the serial # of the body Graham? Although I guess it's on paperwork. |
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Graham Whistler
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Yes Robert so if they provide a new body I will know. Will keep you all informed. With NPS membership they should be ASAP. |
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jk
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Hmmm.  |
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Eric
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So, given the number of people experiencing card problems as reported on DPReview forum, this sounds like a number of bodies will need either repairing or replacing? Not a good start for the D500. |
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Iain
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Yes not good. The way my D4 and 200-500 are working I'll stick with them for a while. How come Nikon and Canon can't bring out a new camera without faults. |
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jk
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They are making cameras that are increasingly more complex with more things that can (and do) go wrong or need fixing. The answer is to add no new features but add them later, like Fuji do, via firmware updates. The bits they should add as new are things like new AF hardware or sensor with the additional bells and whistles coming. Some may argue that this will lead to bad press but sometimes you need to take the attitude 'Let the customer decide and let the press be damned', Sometimes they pay too much attention to the internet blogs and magazines without considering how or why people buy cameras. People buy mostly through friend recommendation, prior use and brand loyalty, with the Ken Rockwell's and other providing an influence on a small undecided or newbie group. Unfortunately people are also buying cameras sight unseen, without ever touching or trying them. |
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Eric
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jk wrote:They are making cameras that are increasingly more complex with more things that can (and do) go wrong or need fixing. True, but without the global awareness that the Internet can bring, individuals would have to do battle with their supplier on an individual basis. Knowing others have the same problem adds weight to an individual's assertion with suppliers. |
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Graham Whistler
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So much for NPS membership sorting your camera out in 24 hrs or lend or give you another? Just checked repair status and still getting message from Service Dept that your camera is waiting to be repaired! I wonder if they are snowed with similar complaints as per the blog Bob picked up from USA? I only hope they know how to fix it. My local friend who got his D500 at same time and uses same Lexar 32GB 2933 XQD Card 440MB is very happy and his camera is working very well. No error messages and he is highly impressed with the camera. |
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Robert
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So it may be a card issue after all... Many, many moons ago I remember Sandisk had a way of verifying their cards as genuine. You went to a page on their website and keyed in the serial # of the card, it then verified if it was genuine or not. You couldn't tell just by examining the card. I seem to remember there were a lot of non genuine, knock off cards around at that time, which were finding their way into the retail chain at wholesale level. Given the sudden surge of demand for XQD cards and the high price they command, maybe someone somewhere is stepping up the supply by substituting non genuine cards??? Just a thought? |
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Eric
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Graham Whistler wrote:So much for NPS membership sorting your camera out in 24 hrs or lend or give you another? Just checked repair status and still getting message from Service Dept that your camera is waiting to be repaired! I wonder if they are snowed with similar complaints as per the blog Bob picked up from USA? I only hope they know how to fix it. It's a pity you didn't try his camera with your card and vice versa before sending it back to Nikon. |
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Graham Whistler
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We both got our Lexar XQDs from mymemory.co.uk at same time. Also talked to LSC Camera Shop to update them and they have sold quite a few D500s now and all are very happy and no more problems like mine! |
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Eric
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Graham Whistler wrote:We both got our Lexar XQDs from mymemory.co.uk at same time. Also talked to LSC Camera Shop to update them and they have sold quite a few D500s now and all are very happy and no more problems like mine! But is that a card batch issue or is it a random camera body issue? Time will tell. |
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jk
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Thank goodness I havent noticed any problems with my D500 with neither XQD nor SD cards. However I am on low external use at present as the pollen count is high here and my eyes and nose feel like they are on fire! |
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Graham Whistler
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I have just recieved and paid an invoice £6.07 for returning my D500 from Nikon. There must be no problem with my camera as all they have done is check it and clean the image sensor. Repair invoice stated: "Problem is with Lexar Cards XQD 2933x and SD2000x please contact Lexar for more info. Camera should preform without problems with only the Sony XQD card in the camera." Labour charges £0.00 Warranty. Postage £6.07 As I said the Lexar Card I and my friend had is as per Nikon D500 list of Nikon Approved Cards. Has Bob got a point that I may have a fake card!!? Attached pix was taken with the D500 (before sending it to Nikon) and said Lexar QED Card and it is spot on for quality but error showed up as soon as I took the pix! Attachment: CanadaG166.jpg (Downloaded 16 times) |
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Robert
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Perhaps your next move would be to call Lexar directly and explain the problem. I am sure they should be keen to examine the card or supply you with some way of verifying it. If it's genuine then they should replace it, otherwise perhaps Trading Standards would be interested. |
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Eric
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Graham Whistler wrote:I have just recieved and paid an invoice £6.07 for returning my D500 from Nikon. There must be no problem with my camera as all they have done is check it and clean the image sensor. Repair invoice stated: Is that 'ONLY' significant? Are they saying you cannot mix card makes / types in the two slots? I am assuming it HAS two slots? Seems funny wording ? |
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Graham Whistler
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Taking Nikon's advise I have just been on Lexar's UK very good help line phone call ( 0800-013-7411 UK Free No ). They know about the problem and are very well aware of their XQD and other card problems with the D500. They have a lifetime guarantee with all their cards and at present can only replace my two cards with the same possibly faulty cards. They said very sorry, please keep the cards we now have all your details and we hope to issue new cards with D500 fix on board to all users having this problem. We are recalling all these cards as soon as we know what is wrong. Nikon is working with us to solve the problem. |
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Robert
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Well that appears to bury the bogus card theory! I am clearing my desk of junk, I found this... Any ideas?  Attachment: Screen Shot 2016-05-26 at 13.29.09.jpg (Downloaded 17 times) |
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Iain
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I think they may be almost extent but can't remember what it's called. |
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jk
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If you take it to Boots they will get it developed for you. Well they did in 1970s! I think you need to look in the back of AP for a developer. |
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Graham Whistler
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Camera is back and working fine with the Sony XQD Card series M that has read speed 440MBS but write speed only 80MBS.The Lexar XQD card also has write speed of 440MBS but a very much faster write speed of 390MBS. I wonder if this is the problem as when I got a fault message with the Lexar it stopped the camera in the middle of taking a bird in flight with the motor-drive at 10fps? |
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Iain
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Could be Graham but I would have thought that would be a camera issue rather than a card issue. I use the same Lexar card in my D4 which has a similar FPS speed with no issues. |
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jk
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I am using the Lexar 64GB x2933 XQD in my D500 with no problems so far. |
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Iain
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I wonder if its an early batch problem, Nikon say its the card but JK and others have said they are using the Lexar X2933 card without any issue. Graham have you tried the Lexar card since you have got your camera back? |
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Iain
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Does anyone know where I can get a raw file at iso6400 from a D500? I would like to see how it looks working it through my workflow. |
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jk
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I'll take one tonight and Dropbox it to you tomorrow Iain. It will be a night image so you get worst noise.  |
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Robert
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Noise? What noise!!!  |
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Iain
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Thanks Jonathan. |
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Graham Whistler
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No but I will. Busy photographing Nutchatch with young in friends garden. Camera working well but this is the Sony card, 400mm lens. Attachment: Nuthatch0567.jpg (Downloaded 30 times) |
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jk
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Nice photo Graham. Very fine composition. |
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jk
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Iain, check your PMs. Let me know when you have the files. |
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Robert
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A lot of fine detail there Graham, even the reflections in the birds eyes. Hope you soon get over the technical issues. |
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jk
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Downloaded my first set of images from the D500. If the battery is on the last segment then the download or camera is not seen when connected via USB3. I understand the reasoning for this so I dont think it is a bug. |
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Graham Whistler
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This is another from same set. I took over 150 pix in 3 hours but the strong side light was very tricky and all are at 1250 -800 ISO with 80-400mm Lens. I shall go back in the morning on Monday and light should be better. Because my friend has her washing line near they are in the country and not too bothered by people. I sat under another apple tree about 15 feet away. Attachment: Nuthatcdh0449.jpg (Downloaded 27 times) |
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Robert
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Wonderful photographs Graham. Thanks for sharing. |
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Graham Whistler
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Another image from yesterday. I have now done some A3+ prints and 1250 ISO is very low noise so results from D500 looking good. I'm going up again in morning as light should be much better so you may see some more images! This pix is a much larger blow-up from small part of image as it was an early shot from further away and noise is starting to show. Attachment: Nuthatch0555A4S.jpg (Downloaded 19 times) |
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Robert
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Wow!  Dare I say the feathers are starting to test the anti-ailising software? There seem to be some areas of mush in the plumage but I have to say that's nit picking, it isn't obvious. Better lighting may help, or make it worse? |
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Graham Whistler
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I might have over cooked un-sharp mask. Also much larger blow-up compared with the other 2 pixs. |
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Ralph G Speer
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Hey Gram, is that a full print or a crop? I would like to see a print with no processing Ralph |
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Eric
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I notice you are using the 80-400zoom rather than the 500mm prime. Is there a reason from for that? Given the static subject it would be interesting to see if it outperforms the zoom. |
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Graham Whistler
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Very good news this morning out early and after testing confirm that with no Lexar SD card in 2nd slot the Lexar XQD 32 GB 2933 card working perfectly with no error messages!!! Just in time to catch the 3 your Nuthatches fledging. This is final feed before they all left the nest. Light was poor so pushing the ISO again. Yes using the 80-400mm lens because I had to creep in close behind another apple tree and did not want to use the 500mm and tripod in case setting up would upset the birds. Also I had to sit for several hours hand holding. Attachment: Nuthatch692.jpg (Downloaded 40 times) |
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Graham Whistler
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This is one of the last to fly. Took over 130 pixs this morning and XQD Lexar card working very well no error messages and A3+ prints spot on! Attachment: Young0803.jpg (Downloaded 41 times) |
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Bob Bowen
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Superb pics Graham. Combo works very well. |
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Iain
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jk wrote:Iain, check your PMs. Got them Jonathan after noise reduction with neat image there seems to be very little between the D7200 and the D500. Nich set of shots Graham. |
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Eric
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Iain wrote:jk wrote: That's interesting Iain! Does that mean you feel the D500 IQ isn't an improvement over the D7200...or just the noise reduction? |
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Eric
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So...are you using a DIFFERENT Lexar card Graham, or has the original one started working are the cameras visit to Nikon....despite them saying there was nothing wrong with the body? Or is it the conflict between the two slots? Excellent images by the way.  |
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jk
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The new EXPEED 5 chipset is an improvement as will the new sensor. However the combo does provide a big improvement over the D300S which is the real comparator. The D7200 is a step ahead of the D300S but the AF of the D500 is definitely better and next generation. The real questions are.......... Is the D500 better than a D7200, Yes only a little and it is more about the performance stakes than IQ. Is the D500 better than the D300s? Yes definitely for IQ, AF performance and general handlng. |
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Eric
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jk wrote:The new EXPEED 5 chipset is an improvement as will the new sensor. Sounds like a good upgrade then. Looking forward to getting my hands on a D500 later this year. |
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jk
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WEX should have them on the shelf by end of June. Apparently most of the pre-orders will be satisfied by mid-June. |
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Eric
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jk wrote:WEX should have them on the shelf by end of June. Interesting. I am awaiting a final settlement on our personal injury claim from the crash in Italy...2 years ago!! That would give me a welcome cash injection to refresh the depleted funds in the wake of the bathroom project. |
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Graham Whistler
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Using the same card but the Lexar SDHC 32GB card is now not in the slot and I think that was the sole trouble maker. All fault messages came up with SD on the message I just wish I had noted it at the time but when I spoke to Nikon NPS tech help line they said return camera to us at once sound serious. All is well now and I am very pleased with the camera. |
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Eric
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Graham Whistler wrote:Using the same card but the Lexar SDHC 32GB card is now not in the slot and I think that was the sole trouble maker. All fault messages came up with SD on the message I just wish I had noted it at the time but when I spoke to Nikon NPS tech help line they said return camera to us at once sound serious. It shows! Nice work. |
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Iain
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Eric wrote:Iain wrote: I see little to no difference in the image from the D500 and D7200 after I have run both through neat image. |
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Graham Whistler
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This may be of interest as it was blown up from 1/3 of the whole image and also shot at 2500 ISO into early morning light. 400mm 1/400 sec f8 with 80-400 AF-S lens with VR on. (Also taken with the Lexar XQD 32 GB Card.) Now more important news Lexar just phoned me and they have been in contact with Nikon and the XQD after more testing is 100% OK. My problem as we now know was thye Lexar SDHC 32GB 300MBS 2000X Card that was in the 2nd slot. This card has a fault and they will replace mine ASAP.. Attachment: Young 0714 2500 ISO.jpg (Downloaded 29 times) |
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Graham Whistler
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Practical Photography have just given the D500 avery good 5 star write up in this months magazine. Best ever APS-C-DSLR in all departments. Amazed by very high ISO quality and speed of focus and motor drive. Slight comment about no built in flash (this I never use anyway!) and price a bit high, (you pay for what you get and it is 90% up to a D5 and 1/3 the money). Young Starlings in mob of 20-30 are empting our bird food nearly every day. Fun taking pixs of them fighting and hones my skills with the new camera. 1/2500 sec stops wing movement but all pixs taken at 1000 ISO and very clean noisless images. I am finding that even with 400 or 500mm lenses focus hardly ever lets you down. Attachment: Young Starlings.jpg (Downloaded 19 times) |
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jk
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Very happy with my D500 that I took to Lithuania for its first test. I used it with the 24-120 f4 AFS G. Seems to work very well on the camera but it is big compared with having a prime on it. |
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I already know the answer...this is WEX we are talking about.