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jk
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There are rumors that the Japanese government may be helping a deal between Fuji and Nikon. https://petapixel.com/2017/06/06/report-claims-japanese-government-asking-fuji-help-nikon/ I havent got any more information but it seems that Nikon's problems are maybe deeper or more serious that we have imagined. This would explain the lack of new cameras in the last 6 months. Seems like a very unhappy 100th year birthday party! |
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novicius
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Interesting Read....a new Era is dawning perhaps..FUJI`s sensor coupled to Nikon`s tech. ,..will try to follow this as close as I can..Thanks J K  |
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TomOC
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Nikon should be elated to get fuji technology and mindset !!! |
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amazing50
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Niji cameras and Fukon lenses |
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jk
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Well for me the Fuji XT2 camera is the best designed digital camera ever. It is better as far as camera control layout than any Nikon. If every camera in the Nikon range was as good from the control layout perspective then I would be happy but Nikon seem to have different control layouts now between cameras. I still like my Nikon flash controls as this is where the Fuji is weak. |
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amazing50
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This report seems questionable. Fuji has been downsizing it's photo products in film and camera models. Some is due to consumer attitudes but a lot due to poor sales and promotion of products. It was a struggle in Canada to get instant pack and sheet films long before they were discontinued. Their high end cameras always seem to be back ordered. So it seems strange that Fuji would invest in Nikon unless they wish to flog a dying horse.  |
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novicius
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FUJI had discontinued 35 mm camera`s for a long time in favor of their Exellent Medium-format cams. , seems as if they continue that with the digital medium !! The GFX and it`s Lenses look Good and pricewise a winner . |
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novicius
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FUJI had discontinued 35 mm camera`s for a long time in favor of their Exellent Medium-format cams. , seems as if they continue that with the digital medium !! The GFX and it`s Lenses look Good and pricewise a winner . |
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Eric
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jk wrote:Well for me the Fuji XT2 camera is the best designed digital camera ever. It is better as far as camera control layout than any Nikon. I've been giving the XT2 a run out these last few weeks and while I agree there are some very good features on the XT2 there are also some disappointing points. The focus joy stick catches on everything causing the focus frame to wander from the selected position. The AElock button is too far away from the AFlock...I am continually having to look where my thumb needs to be to miss the rear command dial. The evf flickers into correct exposure when moving the camera around different exposed areas of a scene. I find that 1920s flicker show effect distracting. Why can't it change smoothly and instantaneously? And I am sorry....unless you put the camera on CL or CH you STILL lose a moving subject in the viewfinder. These modes burn batteries! I've never had a Nikon camera that ran through 2 batteries in a mornings shoot. The NEED for 3 batteries to have a meaningful capacity obviates the weight saving. And why does the in camera battery start to drain while the grip batteries are still holding some charge? Surely the difficult to access body battery should be the last to be used? The focus tracking is slow even with boost on...I've struggled to track BIF coming towards me! I've not managed to get sufficient tracking control in any of the modes. Either my XT2 isn't performing correctly, I am expecting too much or I need some pointers as to where I am going wrong because I am STILL not convinced mirrorless works well enough for wildlife and fast moving subjects. I've got some nice sharp images of static subjects ...so the sensor is good. |
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jk
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Eric, you need to keep your thumb on the joystick. That way you can move it around easily. You can also lock the joystick so it cannot be moved. BTW: There is a huge learning with the Fujis - Focus and recompose is a definite No, No. Always put the focus point on your subject. Never focus and recompose. Regarding AF modes, you need to optimise the settings as the default ones are less than good. Also you cant treat a Fuji like a Nikon and expect to get the same thing. The Fuji has characteristics that seem to perform like a Nikon but when you use them like a Nikon you come unstuck. It is a Fuji and has its own peculiarities. I think it has taken me 2-3 years to find out these wrinkle and differences. |
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jk
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novicius wrote: FUJI had discontinued 35 mm camera`s for a long time in favor of their Exellent Medium-format cams. , seems as if they continue that with the digital medium !!Yes the GFX is making some great images if you look on the various GFX boards but for an amateur it is a very expensive camera. For the professional doing weddings, fashion and high end shoots it will soon pay for itself. |
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Eric
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jk wrote:Eric, you need to keep your thumb on the joystick. That way you can move it around easily. You can also lock the joystick so it cannot be moved. I clearly have a lot to learn! Breaking 50 years of shooting habits may be an uphill struggle. But having sold all my Nikon gear ( except one lens and a flashgun) I have nothing to distract me. |
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Iain
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Eric wrote: I have nothing to distract me. except maybe a D7500 lighter D500 sensor no screen blackout!  |
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Eric
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Iain wrote:Eric wrote: except maybe a D7500 lighter D500 sensor no screen blackout!
Well Jonathan's enthusiasm for the XT2 has fired my interest and I have stripped myself off the ability to think Nikon ...for now. I suspect its going to be a Jedi Knight moment. With Obi Jon Athan instructing me to 'let go and feel the power of the Fuji Force', for some time. The XT2 is a great camera and from some of the results I've seen, capable of the highest quality and performance in sport and wildlife. I just haven't mastered this myself yet. But I will persevere. Having just had my wallet stolen in France I have no credit cards to buy anything else anyway!!! Just scraped up enough euros to fuel the car to get us back to Calais and home on Monday...we hope!!! Although with the way UK politics is disintegrating, we may start looking for a place over here! |
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jk
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Sounds like you are having a testing time in France. Hope that you get home safely. If you want help with the Fuji then I can provide it. Just message or email me. I can truly say that the quality from the D800 is matched by the results from the XT2. I havent done an identical sample shoot but where I use them together I eventually end up using the Fuji in preference. For BIF then the D500 is unbeatable as the speed of AF is exceptional. |
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highlander
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I often focus and recompose without any issues. But then I don't shoot many moving subjects, but then I wouldn't use that technique on moving subjects either... One of the reasons I went for Nikon over Canon was that you could move from one body to another without having to work out where all the darned controls had been moved to. I went from the D200-D700-D3-D3200-D7200 without any big issues, although I did notice the D3200 and D7200 had moved stuff about more than I expected. What did for me was the weight and lenses. I have found new Nikon lenses repeatedly disappointing for the last 6-7years, but the AF on the older ones wasn't cutting it with the newer bodies. I didn't even like the 24-70/2.8 which everyone else seemed to think was the dogs wotsits. I much prefer the output of the Fuji, and the glass, but if I was shooting a lot of wildlife then I actually think I would go down the Canon route now (:-0) |
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highlander
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Mind you, I notice Chris Weston has moved from Nikon to Fuji so it can't be that bad for wildlife |
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Eric
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jk wrote:Sounds like you are having a testing time in France. Hope that you get home safely. I've been doing a Graham and shooting avocets. Trying to get right settings on XT2 for decisive moment..... Attachment: _DSF1753.JPG (Downloaded 23 times) |
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Eric
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Another.... Attachment: _DSF1726.JPG (Downloaded 22 times) |
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Eric
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And another.... Attachment: _DSF1721.JPG (Downloaded 23 times) |
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Eric
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And yet another Attachment: _DSF1831.JPG (Downloaded 43 times) |
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Eric
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Easier when they standstill!! Attachment: _DSF1769.JPG (Downloaded 42 times) |
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jk
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Eric wrote:jk wrote: Certainly got it right here. Perfect drop. |
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Graham Whistler
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Super pixs I love waders great subject. I always wind in -0.7 even with the D500 to retain highlight detail in sun with white birds. |
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Eric
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Graham Whistler wrote:Super pixs I love waders great subject. I always wind in -0.7 even with the D500 to retain highlight detail in sun with white birds. Next time.  |
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jk
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Interesting I tend to use -0.3 in winter and -0.7 in summer, here in Spain. When I was in UK it was -0.3 in summer and 0 in winter. |
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Iain
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Eric, For Avocets I tend to set a shutter speed of 1/800 or faster |
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Graham Whistler
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Quite right Ian or even higher they move their heads very fast as they sweep the water feeding. Pushing ISO helps a lot with our modern DSLRs |
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Eric
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Iain wrote:Eric, For Avocets I tend to set a shutter speed of 1/800 or faster I think they were at 1/1250 but will check. Finding my feet with the Fuji ...but domestic problems getting in the way of further outings. |
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Graham Whistler
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This is a recent Avocet from our local Titchfield Haven Reserve on a dull day only just holding highlight detail with -0.7 EV! Nikon D500 with Nikon AF-S 80-400mm Plus x1.4=550mm ISO 800 AF-C f13 1/800 sec Attachment: Avocet3508Birds.jpg (Downloaded 28 times) |
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Iain
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One from WWT Washington. Attachment: DSC_0136.jpg (Downloaded 26 times) |
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Graham Whistler
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Another pix with the 80-400mm AF-S +1.4= 550mm Nikon D500 1000 ISO f10 1/1250 sec. This is a Greenshank in Farlington Marshes. Attachment: Greenshank2081.jpg (Downloaded 18 times) |
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Eric
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Graham Whistler wrote:Another pix with the 80-400mm AF-S +1.4= 550mm Nikon D500 1000 ISO f10 1/1250 sec. This is a Greenshank in Farlington Marshes. What sharpening routine are you using on your images , Graham? Or is that straight out of the camera? |
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Graham Whistler
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I messed up on that used Unsharp Mask in Photoshop CC Amount 250 Rad 1.00 Threshold 1 far too much see white lines on legs. Re did this one with my normal more modest sharpening in Camera Raw Filter with luminance at 40% and Sharpening at 60%. This also copes very well with any noise at higher ISA settings in bird photography and long lenses. (Slight white lines on legs again but that is only from jpg in big tiff 33+ print no lines at all) Attachment: Greenshank2081A£+NCR.jpg (Downloaded 17 times) |
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Eric
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Graham Whistler wrote:I messed up on that used Unsharp Mask in Photoshop CC Amount 250 Rad 1.00 Threshold 1 far too much see white lines on legs. I did wonder if it was the infamous unsharp mask halo. At the moment I am not doing any post processing of my bird images. I just want to get the technique right with the Fuji XT2 or at least as good as I can. I've ordered a teleconverter to see if more reach will help. I hope to continue my learning curve next week but the wife has been unwell and I've felt it a bit unfair leaving her at home while I go birding myself! |
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jk
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Hope that Jan gets well soon Eric. Best wishes to her. |
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Graham Whistler
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Yes Eric hope she gets well very soon! |
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Eric
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Thanks guys. It's not a major issue, just incapacitating....but tides, fine weather and wildlife wait for no man or woman. |
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Eric
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Still haven't been able to get to the reserves again ...after decorating my father's house ( just a couple of rooms ) I am now home and planning to pursue the bird photography. Been trying out the next teleconverter in the back garden in the meantime...and marvelling at the high ISO noise free images from the XT2. Okay not exactly bird photography. Attachment: image1.JPG (Downloaded 5 times) |
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Eric
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Ok...this one is a bird. We have 6 of these Lesser Black Back Gulls that seem to 'live' around our garden. They seem to have chased off the smaller and more common gulls.  Attachment: _DSF2040_sRGB.JPG (Downloaded 5 times) |
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Eric
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This young blackbird was 150 feet away from me and the photo has been heavily cropped despite effective focal length c. 800mm. 1/1000s @ F11....6400ISO Really impressed with lack of noise on this sensor. Attachment: _DSF2115.JPG (Downloaded 9 times) |
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highlander
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I found the results from the Fuji's were outstanding. I was continually annoyed by the restriction of having to use Fuji lenses and no third party options. They are also expensive and often very heavy, completely negating the weight reduction of moving from Nikon. I found myself not using my Fuji very often because carrying it with my continuing neck problems became a real issue. I found myself choosing between the Nikon P900 and the Fuji, and taking the Nikon unless I specifically wanted to shoot something with a view to large printing or selling. I have now sold my Fuji XT2 on, and gone over the Olympus |
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Eric
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highlander wrote:I found the results from the Fuji's were outstanding. I was continually annoyed by the restriction of having to use Fuji lenses and no third party options. They are also expensive and often very heavy, completely negating the weight reduction of moving from Nikon. I found myself not using my Fuji very often because carrying it with my continuing neck problems became a real issue. I found myself choosing between the Nikon P900 and the Fuji, and taking the Nikon unless I specifically wanted to shoot something with a view to large printing or selling. It's true that when you step outside the basic short range lenses, the weight of the Fuji lenses increases significantly ...and there is an element of disappointment in that , for a supposed light weight system. That said, my XT2 with 100-400 lens is still almost 500g lighter than the Nikon D500 with 80-400 lens. I hope to come to terms with this ' less than lightweight' combination as I will be carting it to specific photography locations rather then wandering around all day with it. Of course, remove the long lens and fit a short range prime or zoom and it regains some of its desireability for walking round town. My biggest gripe with the Fuji remains battery life. Whilst all mirrorless bodies come with the EVF battery drain penalty...the Fuji seems to be disproportionately hungry. Some if this is down to the boost option....which is supposed to overcome some of the mirrorless cameras tardiness in response time. To me, it seems to be too draining and little response gain. |
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