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Posted: Sun Aug 26th, 2018 06:43
 
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The more I look at it then the more I wonder if I am doing the right thing buying a Z lens immediately.
The 24-70 f4 will give me a native Z lens to use but my preference will be for the lenses that come in 2019.
I think maybe I need to use the camera and get used to it. 
Then in early 2019 getting rid of all my old Nikon glass except a few key lenses and invest instead in the new Z lenses.
14-30mm f4
85mm f1.4
24-70mm f2.8 - NOTE f2.8 not f4.
70-200mm f2.8

Obviously this strategy would force me to have Z lenses only and would stop any use of the D850 which I really like so I would either need to duplicate lenses in the F range.Or only buy say the 14-30mm f4 and continue to use my F range glass with the Z7 camera.



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The longer lenses won't be available in Z mount for some years, The 500PF has been announced and seems to be a good spec.

I think Nikon are concentrating on the core, short to medium lenses for good reason... The sensor will be optimised for the new and apparently very complex designs of the Z mount lenses, to get the full 5 stop benefit from the sensor IS the Z mount lenses are required.

Until Birna and others get their hands on production models we won't know how well the sensor optimisation for the Z mount works with F mount lenses. It could be that some work well, others less well.

Many are relishing the prospect of using old, classic lenses with the IS but what they might gain with the IS and zoom viewfinder they may well loose in outright lack of IQ due to the optimisation of the sensor.

I wouldn't make too many plans about the choice of F or Z lenses for now, although It would probably make sense to get at least one Z mount prime to see how it compares in real world use with the F on the D850, effectively the same sensor.



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These two are really unbiased (well as unbaised as any average non-fanboy reviewer).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=438&v=iUii9dTwPkw

Not a great review but they were using a pre-production model.



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A slightly different perspective (more positive) on the cameras.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWGIm0RdswA



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And another, somewhat more objective... and longer, 23mins?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNHQUGgZAKE

Clears up the uncertainty about fps, stating 12fps for the Z6, arguably making the Z6 even better value for anybody not needing the 45 mega pixel files or the hefty price tag.

The sensor based IS sounds good for legacy lenses, adding roll the the normal two axis VR. Still think this will vary from lens to lens, as I said before, awaiting real world testing on actual classic lenses to draw solid conclusions as to the viability of mixing the latest, greatest camera with the great old lenses.

Interesting remark that the VR works better if your hands are (like mine) somewhat shaky...



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Robert wrote:
And another, somewhat more objective... and longer, 23mins?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNHQUGgZAKE

Clears up the uncertainty about fps, stating 12fps for the Z6, arguably making the Z6 even better value for anybody not needing the 45 mega pixel files or the hefty price tag.

The sensor based IS sounds good for legacy lenses, adding roll the the normal two axis VR. Still think this will vary from lens to lens, as I said before, awaiting real world testing on actual classic lenses to draw solid conclusions as to the viability of mixing the latest, greatest camera with the great old lenses.

Interesting remark that the VR works better if your hands are (like mine) somewhat shaky...



Did you also notice the lens used on the video of the ducks? Seems like he also has the new 500mm on test.

Attachment: 6F33678A-9285-4044-9EAF-4183E3E30F62.jpeg (Downloaded 16 times)



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Currently in debate mde with myself about the value of the Z7 to me.
The D850 is excellent and works great but is heavy and big. The Fuji XT2 works well but the sensor is smaller and lower MP. There is no doubt in my mind that the D850 gives more than any other camera that is not MF.

So will Z7 give the same when it is loaded with firmware that is not beta or pre-production?

Like I have always said these are tools not toys!
That doesnt mean I dont like new toys. ;-)



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jk wrote: So will Z7 give the same when it is loaded with firmware that is not beta or pre-production?
This link, Nikon Rumours, suggests that Nikon see the Z6 and Z7 as equivalent to the D750 and D850. It would certainly not be a good idea for Nikon to make the Z series inferior to the SLRs so I think it safe to assume that the intention is that the Z7 will at least equal the D850 in performance terms.

 




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GeoffR wrote:
jk wrote: So will Z7 give the same when it is loaded with firmware that is not beta or pre-production?
This link, Nikon Rumours, suggests that Nikon see the Z6 and Z7 as equivalent to the D750 and D850. It would certainly not be a good idea for Nikon to make the Z series inferior to the SLRs so I think it safe to assume that the intention is that the Z7 will at least equal the D850 in performance terms.


I certainly hope you are right Geoff as I dont want to be lumbered with a Z7 that is a £4k piece of jewellery. I need a camera that is as good as the D600 at least but preferably as good D800/D850 in terms of AF speed and quality.
Some of the reports are people who havent 'used' mirrorless in serious work but I would say that my Fuji XT2 is as good as my D600.

If the Z7 is equal to or better than my XT2 then I am happy but if it is like my XT1 then it will go back as not fit for purpose!



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jk wrote: GeoffR wrote:
jk wrote: So will Z7 give the same when it is loaded with firmware that is not beta or pre-production?
This link, Nikon Rumours, suggests that Nikon see the Z6 and Z7 as equivalent to the D750 and D850. It would certainly not be a good idea for Nikon to make the Z series inferior to the SLRs so I think it safe to assume that the intention is that the Z7 will at least equal the D850 in performance terms.


I certainly hope you are right Geoff as I dont want to be lumbered with a Z7 that is a £4k piece of jewellery. I need a camera that is as good as the D600 at least but preferably as good D800/D850 in terms of AF speed and quality.
Some of the reports are people who havent 'used' mirrorless in serious work but I would say that my Fuji XT2 is as good as my D600.

If the Z7 is equal to or better than my XT2 then I am happy but if it is like my XT1 then it will go back as not fit for purpose!
I'm rather more interested in the Pro body but, as I have said previously, the EVF will need to be indistinguishable from an optical finder before I part with any money.

 

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