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| Posted: Mon Aug 27th, 2018 09:22 |
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Robert
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I would definitely be waiting until the production versions are out in the wild and real experts like Birna can get to grips with the actual cameras in a real world environment. These self appointed 'experts' have very limited credentials and little real background experience, they just want to ponce about on Utube and they think every body considers them to be god because they have held a pre production Z body. Despite the announcement, we can't really assess the new cameras properly yet. OK, we have the specs. but Nikon have a poor track record with stuff like software and Wi-Fi etc. I understand colour control points have been re-introduced in Nikon Capture software. so maybe they are learning...
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27th, 2018 11:00 |
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GeoffR
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Robert wrote: I understand colour control points have been re-introduced in Nikon Capture software. so maybe they are learning...That would be good
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27th, 2018 12:26 |
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Eric
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Robert wrote:I would definitely be waiting until the production versions are out in the wild and real experts like Birna can get to grips with the actual cameras in a real world environment. I think that's a little unfair, Robert. Whilst there are some people just in it for self aggrandisement there must be some who give the product a good honest shakedown? And anyway, I don't need an expert detail analysis...I just need it to meet my requirements, which are fairly simplistic.... 1) Does this body feel right in the hand? 2) Does the viewfinder clear fast enough to maintain continuous eye contact with the subject, without NEEDING extra batteries and AFC? 3) Does the sensor deliver sharp images with low noise even at (sensible) high ISO level comparable with equivalent DSLRs? 4) Is the opening lens range good enough quality to avoid having to use existing lenses.... which would counter the lower weight advantage. I have conceded that the battery on a mirrorless will never approach a DSLR image capacity. The ability to use my collection of existing Nikon batteries and a single charger would have to suffice.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27th, 2018 13:00 |
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jk
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I dont care how many people say it is no good. If if works for me then it works. It is a tool as I keep saying. I agree with all that Eric says about criteria for purchase. Also same criteria for the battery. If the D3 that I sold to Robert was 24MP then I would still have it. The D3X is 24MP, the D4 is 16MP, D5 is 21MP. The D6 will be ???MP but IMHO needs to be 36MP. The D3X is like hens teeth.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27th, 2018 14:07 |
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Robert
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Eric wrote:I think that's a little unfair, Robert. You are probably right Eric but I had just sat through four YouTube videos and that WAS the overbearing impression I was left with. I was just expressing my frustration at what I saw as unfair, dismissive reviews.  These two cameras are aimed at enthusiasts and serious users, not pro's, their turn will probably come with the second iteration, which I understand is already in the pipeline and is said to include the large D5 type battery and dual card slots. Surely it makes sense for Nikon to release a product like this to a critical and competent user base to iron out wrinkles and snags before finalising a higher end product aimed at the true professional user. Interestingly the 'roadmap' doesn't include future bodies, I suspect Nikon have released these to test the water to see what happens, future development may be steered to some degree by feedback from X6 and Z7 owners. I hear the Olympics in two years time are at Tokyo? Maybe another long PF in Zmount as well?
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27th, 2018 14:27 |
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Robert
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Eric wrote:
From what I can gather, the Z mount lenses are tending to be heavier than equivalent F mount lenses. They are larger, with more elements but Nikon's selling point is they claim to have maximum sharpness at widest aperture. However they may be more robust due to the VR (IS?) being in the body rather than the lens, in theory they should be a little saving because you are only buying one image stabilising unit rather than one for each lens.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27th, 2018 14:55 |
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Eric
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Robert wrote:Eric wrote: 4 videos? No wonder you are jaundiced.  The one you posted, I found quite good. It told me a number of things I needed to know. I am not sure you are right (sorry) about the positioning of this body. The bodies are weatherproof like the D850...not many enthusiasts choose to go out in the pouring rain....except in Cumbria. I don't believe the camera industry is flirting with light weight mirrorless systems purely for the benefit of amateurs. Just like the transition from film to digital that took several years to get pros fully on board, there is another evolution in progress that will mean pros eventually accepting mirrorless as the norm. How long that will take remains to be seen but I suspect 2 weather proof, full frame bodies with an adapter to existing lenses is a dam good 'wedge in the door'. I seriously think we are at the D1X stage ...again
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27th, 2018 15:17 |
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Robert
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Eric wrote:I seriously think we are at the D1X stage ...again If you don't go out in the rain in Cumbria you just don't go out! I have scarcely been out of the house since we returned from Scotland In some ways I agree, D1X days again but we are much further down the path than we were back then... Just about every camera now made surpasses film for IQ, not to mention all the other advantages digital brings. How much better does IQ need to get?
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27th, 2018 16:03 |
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jk
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Compared to my D1 the D1X was a heap better. If the Z7 has as good AF performance as the D1X or D2X then I am happy, if it is as good as D3 then extactic! The D1X battery was a dog hence my manufacture of the Lion battery way back when. I was unhappy with the Fuji battery so I looked for external battery pack that was similar to the one I made for the D1 and D2 series. Low and behold that also works for my Fuji XT2 and XT1.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27th, 2018 16:44 |
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Eric
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Robert wrote:Eric wrote: I don't think it's purely about IQ any more. That's why I said the mirrorless should be 'comparable' to current DSLRs....it doesn't need to be better. The DSLR v 35mm film battle was won with the D3. Since then Nikon has been attempting to overturn medium format. First the D3X then the 800 cameras. The main advantage of these high pixel sensors for me, is the possibility of sectional enlargement. And that raises another question.... At what point will the croppability of an FX sensor be so good that a DX censor is obsolete....just like film became? Mirrorless is really all about reducing the manufacturer's costs. And as such it WILL be the future. The only issue is milking the market, sorry, managing the transition.  It was 8years from D1 to D3. Nikon started their mirrorless programme in 2011. I think we are about due another milestone .....mirrorless taking over from DSLR. I am willing to speculate it will be the end of DX and DSLR bodies in the next 5 years. As soon as the Zbodies outperform the D* bodies .....pros will adopt mirrorless.
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