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| Posted by Eric: Sun Oct 7th, 2018 09:00 | 1st Post |
| As many will know, I've been disappointed with several performance issues with my, albeit limited, use of mirrorless bodies. Without labouring the points...the battery usage, the EVF timeouts and the limited weight advantage especially when using long lenses. But the wysiwyg exposure compensation preview was an amazing help in nailing exposures in awkward lighting. And there were other things I enjoyed but in honestly not enough for me to lust after another mirrorless...yet! However I stumbled across this thread/ post which made me think again about other advantages I had not seen or even considered. So maybe mirrorless has more to offer than I think or does it? https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61734872
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| Posted by jk: Sun Oct 7th, 2018 09:22 | 2nd Post |
The horse has been led to the water but if he doesnt want to drink then we dont have to drown him.  That post in DPR is remarkably lucid and untroll-like. Yes I have used these featured but have to say up to now I have never used the FX==>DX on a DSLR as the viewfinder would be a limitation. I havent tried it on the Z7 yet but it seems like an obvious use. I need to set up a U setting or hot button to achieve this. I have been using mirrorless for nearly 5 years so I am fairly happy with what I get. I find the XT2 battery to be not an issue. I need to use the Z7 more to see how good it is with the battery. However we need to be aware that the mirrorless will always be more battery hungry than a DSLR.
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| Posted by jk: Sun Oct 7th, 2018 13:31 | 3rd Post |
| Been playing with the Z7 FX/DX feature. It is great. Obviously this is not present in the Fuji so Nikon have a great advantage here over Fuji. The combo result with the Z7/Z6 cameras actually would allow for a very flexible pairing. What I do prefer about the Fuji X system I have is the great lenses, but I also have great F series Nikon lenses. I cant see myself investing in the Z camera lenses in the same way but time will tell.
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| Posted by Eric: Sun Oct 7th, 2018 14:33 | 4th Post |
jk wrote:Been playing with the Z7 FX/DX feature. It is great. Yes they are very good lenses and of course a reasonable range were introduced early on in the XT programme.
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| Posted by GeoffR: Sun Oct 7th, 2018 17:16 | 5th Post |
| The SLR has been around since 1884 and it took around 70 years before it started to become the camera of choice. The Mirrorless has been around for ten years. Despite the rapid advance of technology there is probably still some development needed before it too becomes the obvious choice. I doubt it will take another 70 years though.
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| Posted by jk: Sun Oct 7th, 2018 20:56 | 6th Post |
| We are according to Moore's Law in a phase of rapid change in technology. In reality the use of SLRs for photography came about in 1950s so to get to now it is 70 years. In my opinion nothing has improved in terms of increased quality of result since the Nikon F. Yes there are refinements and improvements but until we moved to DSLRs there was not a paradigm shift. AF speed and accuracy has improved since its introduction. However wide user uptake of AF took many years. This was partially because of the need to change both camera and lens but many thoght they could focus faster than the camera with AF. Myself included. Until I got my Nikon F501, then F601 and then the F801 which was for me the first really useable AF that was fast enough and accurate enough. The real shift was the D1. The first DSLR 1999. It has now take another 18 years to get to mirrorless. The Z7 is not as useful to wildlife and sports photographers as the D850 (possibly) but the next generation mirrorless will kill the D6/7/8. There may be a DZ7/8 which will be a hybrid of the Z7 in a D5 body with a bigger battery and the Z mount. What we truly need next is the 'global shutter'. This is a single instantaneous read of all the photosites. This will remove the mechanical shutter that is still required. Once this is available and coupled with a decent battery then the DSLR will be a quaint old thing just like the twin lens Mamiyaflex C330.
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| Posted by Iain: Tue Oct 9th, 2018 19:39 | 7th Post |
| Interesting read. I've been looking at the mirrorless again after reading of some of the pro wildlife togs now using them. There was always the issue of BIF that the DSLR seemed to be better at but David Tipling is using the Olympus system and is having no problem. Maybe the newer cameras have fixed that problem.
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| Posted by jk: Tue Oct 9th, 2018 20:02 | 8th Post |
| I still think that the D500 is the go to camera for action and wildlife. The D850 viewfinder AF spot placements are not as good as the layput on the D500. I still need to test the Z7 but with all the readings and tests drive me to also acquiring a Z6 and getting rid of all my other cameras except for D850, D500 and D800. The Z7 and Z6 would then be both a FX and DX cameras via settings and EVF use. I would have a sweet spot of 24MP in the Z6 as well as a high resolution solution in the Z7.
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| Posted by Eric: Wed Oct 10th, 2018 08:22 | 9th Post |
jk wrote:I still think that the D500 is the go to camera for action and wildlife. The D850 viewfinder AF spot placements are not as good as the layput on the D500. Surely the only reason for having a Z6 is if the IQ of the Z7 wasn't as good? Or putting it another way....if the 24mp Z6 is the sweetspot, why bother with anything 'less sweet' like a Z7. 
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| Posted by jk: Wed Oct 10th, 2018 12:41 | 10th Post |
| The Z6 is apparently better for video as the smaller number of MP goves higher stills fps and also better video. I think shooting at 45MP will mean all issues we heard about the D800 will resurface.
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| Posted by Robert: Wed Oct 10th, 2018 15:52 | 11th Post |
| Thought you didn't 'do' video! LOL I think the Z6 will be a more relaxing camera to use. The Z7 (currently) has ultimate performance but for day to day photography I would consider the Z6 to be more practical, smaller file sizes, cheaper, better video(?) cheaper, and did I mention smaller file sizes... I would need a van to carry all the Gigabytes of images after I have been motor racing if I used a Z7, the faithful D3 gets them all on one 32Gb CF, with a second 32Gb CF to catch star trails on my way home!!! 
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| Posted by Eric: Wed Oct 10th, 2018 18:10 | 12th Post |
Robert wrote:Thought you didn't 'do' video! LOL Yes I agree. I've also read a couple of reports where our old friend 'inadequate technique for the megapixels' has raised its head on the Z7. We know from bitter experience that as pixel density increases, so must operator technique improve to capitalise on the sensors full potential. The lighter weight of the Z7 and Z24-70 combination have caught some off guard ...shooting too casually and getting average results. Have to say that I would be inclined to try the Z6 first....I want a camera like the D3 that is more forgiving of casual technique, when it comes to a carry round body. And, as it's not available yet, my Yorkshire wallet can stay undisturbed for a little while longer.
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| Posted by jk: Wed Oct 10th, 2018 18:53 | 13th Post |
| Yes I agree Robert. No I dont do video but
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| Posted by Robert: Thu Oct 11th, 2018 02:13 | 14th Post |
jk wrote:
In this game there is ALWAYS a but! One of the main reasons I don't do video is the video is easy enough to get into the camera, the amount of work involved in processing video from rough files to finished product is disproportionate. For what? A few stills convey the message with a tenth of the processing effort and far less storage. There are occasions where stills don't convey the entire message, like the Ratty Railway video which I helped Graham with but that probably took ten times as much work and effort in the processing stage as it took to record on camera. That said I have been invited to help out at a local studio where they specialise in training budding young videographers! Watch this space... They use Macs too.
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| Posted by Eric: Thu Oct 11th, 2018 03:25 | 15th Post |
Robert wrote:jk wrote: Once upon a time I would have agreed with you but watching some of Jans videos of the places we have been has made me realise seeing movement and hearing the sounds gives a much stronger memory response. Without being too morbid, a good friend who lost his wife a few years back takes great comfort from seeing her and hearing her when he plays back some of the many years videoing he did. He doesn't sit there and just play videos but on occasions he refers back to events for other reasons he is 'taken right back' in a moment....far more than the photos around his walls. Video editing doesn't have to be that time consuming. If you are merely stringing together the footage you have, as opposed to shooting a presteuctured movie. The trouble comes with insufficient cutaway material to punctuate the 'story'. I keep drumming into Jan ...cutaway shots....cutaway shots.....even when just doing holiday footage. And she is getting quite good at it....but I am biased.
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