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| Posted by ArcticRick: Wed Jun 13th, 2012 18:58 | 1st Post |
| Anyone think we are going to see the price of an FX body under 2 grand ? That I my limit mentally since I'm no pro .
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| Posted by Robert: Thu Jun 14th, 2012 03:07 | 2nd Post |
| Maybe... http://mansurovs.com/is-nikon-d600-on-the-horizon.
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| Posted by jk: Thu Jun 14th, 2012 03:43 | 3rd Post |
| I think that $2000 might be the price point for the new D600. http://nikonrumors.com/2012/06/14/first-leaked-nikon-d600-images.aspx/
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| Posted by Squarerigger: Thu Jun 14th, 2012 07:55 | 4th Post |
If the D600 is real, and priced under $2K, I am beginning to wonder if a D400 will ever be seen.  An FX body under $2K would be awfully tempting.
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| Posted by Robert: Thu Jun 14th, 2012 08:11 | 5th Post |
| You are not alone there Gary. It can be argued either way. I always considered serious Digital cameras would eventually go back to the 35mm film format. But, it's been so long coming that DX has carved a niche, to the point where Digital DX is equal IQ to film and FX has surpassed films resolving power. The obvious advantages of DX are cost and the lens multiplication factor, with a slight improvement in depth of focus.
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| Posted by Squarerigger: Thu Jun 14th, 2012 08:42 | 6th Post |
| I would like to be able to go FX one day if the price point drops to my consumer ability. Even though I have a DX body, most of my few lenses are full frame so it would not be as much of a sting to switch. I have dreamed of having a FX and a Nikon 24-70 f2.8 attached. I have the lens just need the body. I figure over the next couple of years as all this DX/FX gets sorted out, I will have the funds set aside to move. I get the feeling DX will be entry level in the not too distant future.
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| Posted by Robert: Thu Jun 14th, 2012 09:16 | 7th Post |
| Well, there are distinct advantages with DX but I have always tended to buy FX capable lenses, because I looked on DX as a temporary workaround while Nikon and their sensor suppliers figured how to make a good, cost effective FX body. I don't like the small format particularly but it does save big bucks at the long end for lenses. A 450mm f 2.8 isn't even made, if it were, I hate to think what it would cost. I would keep a foot in both camps, FX for quality and wide to normal, short tele, say up to 180-200mm and DX for leisure photography and longer stuff.
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| Posted by Squarerigger: Thu Jun 14th, 2012 09:30 | 8th Post |
| Point well taken Robert. I don't think I would part with my D7000 because my Nikon 70-300 gives me great pics and lets me reach out for a very minimal cost. Looks like we are in the same boat. I have gotten to the point where I treat camera bodies like computers, I will skip every few generations as I am not in the photography business and what I have now satisfies my hobby very well. As I get older, less is more in most cases.
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| Posted by Robert: Thu Jun 14th, 2012 09:49 | 9th Post |
| I am retiring completely in less than a month, so I won't be able to save up, it will be a matter of the occasional windfall that may come my way from now on. My D200 and the recent D3100 serve me well, if I can find a cheap D700 in the next year or two that will probably be my route, unless of course I find a rough but working D3? I was offered one recently but it had a sensor fault, the asking price was £1000.
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| Posted by KenRay: Thu Jun 14th, 2012 12:12 | 10th Post |
| I am constantly amazed at the increased cost of cameras today. I like pro quality equipment and when I was employed always managed to afford it. Leica's and Hasselblads were my preferred tools. When SLR's came about I could finally manage to do what I had always wanted to and that was afford long lenses as most everything was ,of course, manual focus. When auto focus finally became a reality film was on it's last legs so I never changed. When Digital became King I was very reluctant to change ,but I did finally but found to satisfy my desire for Pro level bodies and long lense preferences I should stay with DX bodies. I started digital with D1x's and have now progressed to D2x's which at my age will probably be the last bodies I buy if they last. They somewhat satisfy my desire for long lenses though REALLY long lenses such as the Nikkor 600mm are far beyond my wildest reach. It seems to acheive the finest quality photos today you require the best pro level body and highest quality lense to achieve this quality of image. When you consider the top of the line Nikon body is in the $6000 range and the 600mm Nikkor is about the same you are talking about a goodly part of my ANNUAL income so there is no way I can afford it. They have to get prices considerably under $2000 for a body for me to have any interest at all no matter whether FX or DX. Of course this will never happen and in actuality I find it difficult to achieve much interst in photograpy as I once had. That's probably a combination of old age and lack of skill in digital taking it's toll.
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| Posted by Constable: Thu Jun 14th, 2012 15:14 | 11th Post |
| Doesn't Sony have an FX body under 2K? Also there is a D700 at 1200 GBP on Nikonians http://www.nikonians.org/forums/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=219&topic_id=2048&mesg_id=2048&page= Ed
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| Posted by richw: Fri Jun 15th, 2012 01:49 | 12th Post |
KenRay wrote:I am constantly amazed at the increased cost of cameras today. I like pro quality equipment and when I was employed always managed to afford it. Leica's and Hasselblads were my preferred tools. When SLR's came about I could finally manage to do what I had always wanted to and that was afford long lenses as most everything was ,of course, manual focus. When auto focus finally became a reality film was on it's last legs so I never changed. When Digital became King I was very reluctant to change ,but I did finally but found to satisfy my desire for Pro level bodies and long lense preferences I should stay with DX bodies. I started digital with D1x's and have now progressed to D2x's which at my age will probably be the last bodies I buy if they last. They somewhat satisfy my desire for long lenses though REALLY long lenses such as the Nikkor 600mm are far beyond my wildest reach. It seems to acheive the finest quality photos today you require the best pro level body and highest quality lense to achieve this quality of image. When you consider the top of the line Nikon body is in the $6000 range and the 600mm Nikkor is about the same you are talking about a goodly part of my ANNUAL income so there is no way I can afford it. They have to get prices considerably under $2000 for a body for me to have any interest at all no matter whether FX or DX. Of course this will never happen and in actuality I find it difficult to achieve much interst in photograpy as I once had. That's probably a combination of old age and lack of skill in digital taking it's toll. In real terms the top price bodies are the cheapest they have ever been, however they are still veyr expensive, and I think you have actually under priced the 600mm lens! The interesting thing for me is the point you make about quality. In reality there is not that much difference between a modern budget body and a pro body in terms of image quality. You get into the law of diminishing returns and a lot of the benefit is more about ergonomics and build quality than just image quality. I have always thought is someone wants to buy the top it's their money and they should be free to do what they want with it, but the truth is hardly anybody at all can really claim to need the top end, and if you just want to make nice images then you can so perfectly well with entry level bodies and lenses.
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| Posted by Robert: Fri Jun 15th, 2012 04:45 | 13th Post |
| Good point Rich, from an image output point of view there isn't much to choose with the current crop of cameras. I am a bit disappointed with the 18-105 DX VR zoom in comparison with my non zoom lenses, I took some pix of some dragonflies recently with the 3100 and felt they were well short of my expectations, I mounted the 180-f2.8 on the D200 and instantly I was happy, they looked good even on the viewing screen. The water liliey which the Dragonflies were on, was about a metre from the edge of a deep pool, so no chance of getting closer.
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| Posted by KenRay: Fri Jun 15th, 2012 16:22 | 14th Post |
| I can not disagree with a single point you make --- but-and there is always a but.. A Fiat 500 will get you from place to place as well as say an Alfa-Romeo and as far as pure transportation goes as well as a Lamborghini. But there is just a little something extra in the feel looks and performance that while taking a little more skill to extract gives immensely more pleasure. I find the same feeling of both use and pride of ownership with ProGrade equipment. I have been intimately associated with guns and shooting all my life (I am among other things a school trained gunsmith)and find the I actually shoot better with an expensive gun than a cheap one. It has been proven to my own satisfaction over and over. Just one old man's musings.
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| Posted by Robert: Fri Jun 15th, 2012 16:56 | 15th Post |
| Ken, your musings are spot on. Regarding the accuracy of a 'better' gun, I think that is easy to explain because feel, accurate machining and balance are vital elements in shooting. No two guns are the same. Just like no two lenses are the same. I have always chosen the best tools I can find for my work. Most of my mechanic tools are Snap-On, Apple make the computers that best suit me, and I choose the best Nikon gear I can afford. When I have to use this equipment day in, day out, I want to enjoy the experience as best I can. All these things are a compromise. Not least not causing misery by spending beyond our means, which is not difficult for anyone suffering from NAS!
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| Posted by jk: Fri Jun 15th, 2012 17:55 | 16th Post |
KenRay wrote: I can not disagree with a single point you make --- but-and there is always a but.. A Fiat 500 will get you from place to place as well as say an Alfa-Romeo and as far as pure transportation goes as well as a Lamborghini. But there is just a little something extra in the feel looks and performance that while taking a little more skill to extract gives immensely more pleasure. I find the same feeling of both use and pride of ownership with ProGrade equipment. I have been intimately associated with guns and shooting all my life (I am among other things a school trained gunsmith)and find the I actually shoot better with an expensive gun than a cheap one. It has been proven to my own satisfaction over and over. Just one old man's musings.But so true. The enjoyment is there in the engineering and the pride to build something that whilst expensive is clear than many others will enjoy it as well. This goes for cars, clothing and many other possessions. To each his/her own collectable. Still wanting and waiting to own a Ferrari but I know that practicality stands in my way as I would need a race track to drive it on as well. 
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| Posted by richw: Fri Jun 15th, 2012 18:20 | 17th Post |
KenRay wrote:I can not disagree with a single point you make --- but-and there is always a but.. A Fiat 500 will get you from place to place as well as say an Alfa-Romeo and as far as pure transportation goes as well as a Lamborghini. But there is just a little something extra in the feel looks and performance that while taking a little more skill to extract gives immensely more pleasure. I find the same feeling of both use and pride of ownership with ProGrade equipment. I have been intimately associated with guns and shooting all my life (I am among other things a school trained gunsmith)and find the I actually shoot better with an expensive gun than a cheap one. It has been proven to my own satisfaction over and over. Just one old man's musings. I don't disagree, but not owning a Lamborghini (much as I would like one, but will never afford), doesn't prevent me from enjoying the drive when I am on a nice road. I treated myself to a D3s for my fortieth birthday two and a half years ago and have been spoilt by it since, but having less personal time than I used to I have found I'm actually using it less than I did my D200, which I took great joy in. No doubt the D3s takes a better image, but I will be unlikely to buy a top model again. Often if we go out I take the fuji x100 and would probably like to borrow my wife's D7000 more than she lets me. I actually think for me more important than the camera you use is what inspires you take a photo. For me I loved Sydney, I found it very beautiful and constantly strove to capture some of that beauty. Melbourne is not inspiring me in nearly the same way, although when my sister visited with my nephew and niece I was rarely without a camera in my hand. My equipment mission for the time being is actually to spend less, but build up my lens collection. My next purchase will be some time in the future and will be a full frame wide angle lens. More importantly my photography mission is to find inspiration again and start taking more photos. I would love to move back to Sydney, but I am realistically going to be in my current job for another eighteen months minimum, so I need to find inspiration in Melbourne.
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| Posted by jk: Sat Jun 16th, 2012 03:52 | 18th Post |
| Rich sounds like I need to come out to Oz again and we can go ou shooting. Some up country stuff but also in town!
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| Posted by Eric: Sat Jun 16th, 2012 05:43 | 19th Post |
richw wrote:KenRay wrote: The phrases "good enough" and "fit for purpose" spring to mind....because I too am using the wife's D7000 (with zoom lenses) and the X100 more and more. That's mainly because my photography has changed to more casual, holiday, happy snapper mode. Sure one tries to get the best angle and composition. But too often the light is dictated by the time of day you happen to be there and the overal image appearance by the number of people in shot! Nothing is worse than visiting supposed picturesque locations...to find yellow no parking lines, wheelie bins and sky dishes to spoil the image. Sure they can be digitised out...but even I am starting to say why bother? The truth is we need a project to focus our finer photographer skills. Like Eds insects, Roberts flowers, there needs to be more than just recording an event. Until I discover a new challenge, my D3 will be consigned to periodic work shoots. I have two next week....so after not using it for 6weeks I better get it out and remember how to use it. 
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| Posted by Iain: Sat Jun 16th, 2012 07:33 | 20th Post |
| The way that things are going I am beginning to wonder if the days of the crop sensor camera are numbered, which if they are, it will be a shame for us wildlife photographers as that only leaves longer lenses and the cost that goes with them
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| Posted by richw: Sat Jun 16th, 2012 08:18 | 21st Post |
jk wrote:Rich sounds like I need to come out to Oz again and we can go ou shooting. Some up country stuff but also in town! Sounds good!
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| Posted by jk: Sat Jun 16th, 2012 09:09 | 22nd Post |
Eric wrote:The phrases "good enough" and "fit for purpose" spring to mind....because I too am using the wife's D7000 (with zoom lenses) and the X100 more and more. That's mainly because my photography has changed to more casual, holiday, happy snapper mode. Sure one tries to get the best angle and composition. But too often the light is dictated by the time of day you happen to be there and the overal image appearance by the number of people in shot! Nothing is worse than visiting supposed picturesque locations...to find yellow no parking lines, wheelie bins and sky dishes to spoil the image. Sure they can be digitised out...but even I am starting to say why bother? The truth is we need a project to focus our finer photographer skills. Like Eds insects, Roberts flowers, there needs to be more than just recording an event. Until I discover a new challenge, my D3 will be consigned to periodic work shoots. I have two next week....so after not using it for 6weeks I better get it out and remember how to use it. I glad that someone else feels this way as well. I really think that there is an 'over-use' of Photoshop to cartoon everything so it looks either fancifully lit with golden false tones, no lines, signs and blemishes. Whilst the image looks 'perfect' for a magazine but it also looks false to the world. This is something that the photo magazines seem to promote as it is part of their 'Learn Photoshop in ten easy lessons'. Composition and personal style has been reduced to a point where every picture looks the same or similar. I know it is a question of balance and striking that balance is so difficult. 
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