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jk
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I forgot to post this information about the new Nikon V2. http://www.dpreview.com/products/nikon/slrs/nikon_v2 It seems like a worthwhile upgrade to the V1. It now has a built in flash, a slightly higher MP sensor, standard flash shoe and better layout of controls (IMHO). The Nikon1 V1, the old model, can now be had for a very cheap price! |
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Eric
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I've sort of lost track of the Nikon range outside of DSLRs. Where does this V series rank alongside others in this format or the Fuji X series for example? |
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jk
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The Nikon1 have a 1" sized sensor. So logically they will give much better images than a compact camera and they do from the shots I took with the J1 and V1 when I looked when I was in UK last year. The V2 should give no major improvement but I havent tested it. The Fuji X100 quality is much better (IMHO) than the V1/J1 as is the Fuji XE1 and XPro1 but then again they have APS-C (DX) sized sensors so would be expected to win. |
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richw
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Jac loves her V1 and in daylight the photos are more than acceptable. I've been looking at the Sony RX100, might be a great P&S? Thom rated it highly. Might be a Christmas present to myself  |
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jk
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Rich have you had your X100 fixed? The new Fuji XE1 is very similar IQ but has interchangeable lenses and cost less than AUD$1000 |
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richw
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jk wrote:Rich have you had your X100 fixed? I'm going to pop the Fuji in to a local camera shop, but might wait till after Christmas, visiting Adelaide (Jac's family are based there) and I want a pocketable camera for that, and I can adjust the exposure as I go. The Sony looks to be much smaller and might have a faster focus speed, but you lose the viewfinder. It's apparently usable up to ISO 3200 compared to 6400 on the fuji which isn't bad for something that small. I will wait to hold one before making any decisions, but for the size it seems like it might be a nice truly pocketable camera. KR on his site is raving about the iPhone 5 camera, so that might be an alternative, but I don't give much weight to his opinion. |
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jk
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If you get a NEX6 then you get a camera which has all the bells and whistles, interchangeable lenses, EVF, fast focussing, etc.. RX100 is meant to be good but I cant manage without a viewfinder OVF or EVF. Wouldnt trust anything KR says! |
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jk
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According to the DxO tests on the Nikon1 V2 the output is not as good as the V1. http://nikonrumors.com/2012/12/20/nikon-1-v2-camera-nikkor-18-300mm-lens-test-results-at-dxomark.aspx/ Very strange. |
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Squarerigger
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Thanks Jonathan, never good to put out a new product which doesn't come up to standards with the predecessor. |
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blackfox
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going to order a v1 and ft1 adaptor over the weekend ,i was going to go down the spotting scope/astroscope route to get more range but as the price of the v1 has dropped so dramatically there is now hardly any difference price wise and the v1+ adaptor retains all the functionality of my main nikon lenses . as i simply cant stretch to a larger prime lens this is the only way forward for me .it also if the bumph can be believed gives a shooting rate of 60 frames per second |
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Robert
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Hope it works out for you Jeff. |
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jk
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It should work OK for you Jeff. Ed Constable has one and showed some very acceptable results with his V1 + FT1 and his long telephoto (cant remember if it was 400 or 500mm. Dont forget to use your tripod! |
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blackfox
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been doing a lot of reading up on it tonight ,and it appears its fine on static -ish subjects at long range with the longer lenses,but not birds in flight etc .but its still the best option i can find ,the astroscope idea would have limited me to manual focus only and also not for bif so again with its own limitations . on the plus side my lad who still luckily lives at home has just changed from the dark side and yesterday bought a nikon 500mm f4 ,so you never know i might get a few shots with that  |
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jk
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In my hands my 400mm f2.8 works best on a tripod with a Wimberley head or gimbal mount. Even though it is a fast lens and with D3 or D300 I still struggle to get close enough to herons to photograph them adequately. |
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blackfox
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Medium 800 bit like this one jk  click on link |
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blackfox
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or even this one Medium 640 enjoy |
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Robert
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Very nice images, thanks for sharing. |
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jk
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No mine arent that good Jeff! The grey herons here never allow me to get close to even get them to 1/4 fill a frame. I have some of a Squacco pictures up close but they seem much less shy. Even the egrets here seem very shy. |
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Robert
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Field craft JK!!! You need to ditch that red coat... |
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jk
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And the singing!! No I think that it is a question of patience as well. |
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Robert
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I have to admit, you don't seem the most patient I have ever seen!  When it comes to getting things done that's good but perhaps not for birding... |
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blackfox
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don't be teaching him all my tricks rob , anyway got the V1 about a hour ago from john lewis shop in chester ,ordered the FT1 adaptor from amazon ,and just gonna sit back and wait for the weather to improve now ,looking at the fields on the way to chester a canoe might have been a better buy ,the sealand area is living up to its name  |
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Constable
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You need to work on your technique Jonathon! D800E, 300 f2.8 + TC2E III ISO 640 handheld, heavily cropped but mimimal PP Attachment: 800_6417.jpg (Downloaded 66 times) |
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Constable
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And while I was watching the egret, this guy came out of the reeds behind me! Attachment: 800_6506.jpg (Downloaded 64 times) |
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richw
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Very nice shots. |
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jk
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 Ed in Spain the hunters seem to have free rein. Heron if they spot anyone even about 100m away fly off. As for the wild boar we have those the other side of the wall at the house but they only come out after dark or if the hunters have their dogs chasing them. We saw some wild boar trotting on the road at 1:30am the other morning coming home from a party. The animals in East Africa are much easier. |
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Constable
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jk wrote: We say some wild boar trotting on the road at 1:30am the other morning coming home from a party.In my best Lynne Truss mode, I have to ask if the pigs enjoyed the party? |
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Squarerigger
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Constable wrote: jk wrote:Must have been a boaring party!We say some wild boar trotting on the road at 1:30am the other morning coming home from a party.In my best Lynne Truss mode, I have to ask if the pigs enjoyed the party? |
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Constable
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Yup. Might just as well sty at home. Ed |
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jk
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Constable wrote: jk wrote:We say some wild boar trotting on the road at 1:30am the other morning coming home from a party.In my best Lynne Truss mode, I have to ask if the pigs enjoyed the party? They reported that they had been bored to death and were spring-boarding off to the next boardwalk!! |
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jk
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Constable wrote: Yup. Might just as well sty at home. :thumbsup: Oh dear I feel a bit piggy after eating all that food! I will need to sow up my seams a little! |
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jk
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I didnt realise there was so much wildlife close to Basel. |
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Constable
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Very rural ... that was just on the border with France Ed |
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blackfox
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my FT1 adaptor arrived this morning but as with most people in my rush to get it all bolted together i forgot the golden rule RTFM ,so it was late afternoon before i figured out why i wasn't getting acceptable shots and lots of error messages . by the time late afternnoon arrived and i had got it sussed the light just had a faint glimmer of brightness and i got this seagull on the green in front of my house .details as follows nikon V1 +FT1 +300MM.F4.AFS + 1.7TC = 1350MM focal length hand held ,roll on the bright days of summer Attachment: fog on the dee .jpg (Downloaded 39 times) |
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Robert
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Only read the FM if all else fails is my maxim. Gets in the way of exploring and experimenting. Looks very good, esp. for hand held, probably a lot of scope for cropping too. It won't weigh a ton to carry to remote locations and doesn't look too, er, extravagant? By which I mean tempting to the passing tealeaf. |
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blackfox
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if anything rob its to light .the lack of multi point a/f limits you to static subjects although i think i might be o.k on birds taking off .according to the rule of so far so good it needs a lot of light to work well and i think todays test at extremes is pushing it a bridge to far .i will revert to either the bare 300giving me 810mm or with the 1.4tc giving me 1134mm .time will tell but its a saving of four and a half grand over a big lens  |
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Constable
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I agree. The naked 300 is OK but the ft1 with a tc just does not work for me. Ed |
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Eric
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Constable wrote: I agree. The naked 300 is OK but the ft1 with a tc just does not work for me.Ive offloaded all my TCs except the Kenko 1.4. It's the only one I feel competes with a basic image crop from the D3 sensor. I am not convinced that the D7000 is going to stay with us. Maybe it's because I hadn't used it a lot before, but recently I have noticed the IQ and focus performance differences between it and the D3. |
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blackfox
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i love my nikon 1.7 tc eric with the 300mm f4 and the d7000 its a stunning combo ,but oddly enough it doesn't work that well with the same lens on the d300 i tend to use the kenko 1.4 dg pro on that combo . its really weird that different nikon cameras give such hugely different i.q ranges between different models ,at this moment in time i prefer the I/Q of the d300 and have lent the d7000 to my lad who has just emigrated from the dark side back to nikon .i think all i need to complete my requirements now is something along the lines of a 70-200 f2.8 until they bring out the d400 or d7200  |
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Eric
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blackfox wrote: i love my nikon 1.7 tc eric with the 300mm f4 and the d7000 its a stunning combo ,but oddly enough it doesn't work that well with the same lens on the d300 i tend to use the kenko 1.4 dg pro on that combo .Well I may keep the D7000 till I can compare it to a cropped D800 image. I still prefer the FX sensor for most of my work, but I do see the value of DX if you need that extra bit of reach. |
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blackfox
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managed to find a willing model today in the shape of a buzzard ,all photos taken from my car window parked in a lay-by .it really shows the potential of this set up first shot taken with the d300s with a 300mm lens distance to subject 30metres or 98 feet .please also note the shutter of the V1 is totally silent so does not spook birds like some dslr's do .first three shots are full frame images ,the last two cropped .my personal choice is with the cropped image taken at 810mm with the bare 300-f4  buteo 1 300mm by black fox wildlife photography, on Flickr buteo 2 @ 810mm by black fox wildlife photography, on Flickrnikon v1 +300mm f4 =810mm focal length buteo 3 @ 1134mm by black fox wildlife photography, on Flickr crop of 1134mm image by black fox wildlife photography, on Flickr crop of 810mm image by black fox wildlife photography, on Flickrmy personal favourite taken from the 810mm image although a slightly larger crop it does show how a t.c degrades the image .but considering the available light at the moment the potential for this rig is enormous IMHOthe black fox Posts: 630Joined: Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:34 pmTopRe: nikon V1 + FT1just for a bit of extra info this buzzard is actually sat behind the bushes on the fence,the light (diffused sunlight ) is in actual fact coming from the right of the picture putting the bird in the shade in real terms |
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Squarerigger
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Great shots Jeff. Looks like you have a nice combination there. |
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Eric
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blackfox wrote: managed to find a willing model today in the shape of a buzzard ,all photos taken from my car window parked in a lay-by .it really shows the potential of this set up first shot taken with the d300s with a 300mm lens distance to subject 30metres or 98 feet .please also note the shutter of the V1 is totally silent so does not spook birds like some dslr's do .first three shots are full frame images ,the last two cropped .my personal choice is with the cropped image taken at 810mm with the bare 300-f4That's very impressive Jeff. Not just the quality of the V1 combo but the technique to capture a perching buzzard without spooking it.  Seriously wondering if the Nikon is a better option than the Fuji I was considering! |
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Eric
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Jeff Do you know if the FTL adapter works with Sigma lenses? Specifically the 500mm prime? EditOk I've just read someone on DPReview has tested the Sigma 500 and it works. |
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Squarerigger
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Eric, in the US, they are almost giving the V1 away. Somewhere in the price range of $349 with lens. |
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Constable
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Eric It does not work with either my sigma 150 or 180. I have seen no report that it works with any sigma lense. It is not just no AF, but rather a complete non-recognised lense lock-down. Ed |
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blackfox
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don't jump to quick eric ,at this moment in time i,m enthused by it ,but it does have limitations .your restricted to single point focus (centre) the a/f is slower than a dslr with normal lenses ..ultra fast with its native ones though .i have yet to master the menu /settings to get the best from it .it may well be the lack of light thats the problem .due to these type of focus limitations its virtually no good for b.i.f although i have seen some so perhaps its practise /skill on the plus side it takes most nikon a/f lenses although i think they mean afs .its extremely cheap i got mine in john lewis for £279.00 and the adaptor from amazon for 179 .the deals on e/bay etc are even cheaper . the build quality is superb its a titanium shell and surprisingly heavy when you pick it up .if your anywhere near this area at all your welcome to try before you buy |
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Eric
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Constable wrote: Eric Hmmmm. From DPreview forum...... burtmann wrote: Doesn't recognize the lens. Wonder if there is a Sigma firmware update? -- Burt http://www.pbase/burtmann/ My 150-500 isn't recognised either, but the following Sigma EX lenses all work fine. 150mm f2.8 macro, 180mm f3.5 macro 70-200mm f2.8 EX DG 500mm f4.5 EX DG 800mm f5.6 EX DG Since the 150-500 is the newest of my sigma lenses and the only one with OS I wonder if this is the issue Dave |
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Eric
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blackfox wrote: don't jump to quick eric ,at this moment in time i,m enthused by it ,but it does have limitations .your restricted to single point focus (centre) the a/f is slower than a dslr with normal lenses ..ultra fast with its native ones though .i have yet to master the menu /settings to get the best from it .it may well be the lack of light thats the problem .due to these type of focus limitations its virtually no good for b.i.f although i have seen some so perhaps its practise /skillME? Jump quick? Thanks for the heads up. |
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Eric
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Squarerigger wrote: Eric, in the US, they are almost giving the V1 away. Somewhere in the price range of $349 with lens.Yes - that (and jeffs results) were what was interesting me. |
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Constable
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Hi Eric, i just uploaded the latest firmware The 150 sigma 2.8 does NOT work The 180 sigma 2.8 does (sort of) work. That means it searches a lot before it will lock on. Ed |
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Eric
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Constable wrote: Hi Eric,Interesting. The poster on the DPforum went on to qualify that his Sigma lenses that had the image stabilisation feature didnt work....all the rest were ok. Maybe has older lenses? Sounds a bit weird and iffy. |
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Constable
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Yeah .... as if Nikon didn't really want anyone to think about putting a 50-500 on the V1/V2! I've tried ... it doesn't work for me ..... but for pure insanity, what does work is a 600 with a TC2 III converter. DOF is about a micron, but what the heck ... oh and you need the largets Gitzo tripod you can find to support the whole thing .... Seriously, i think that Robert has it nailed. Sling a 300 f4 on the V1/V2 and you have a long tele that you can walk 50 km with and not know about and have the reach that you need for the little brown jobs. Probably not competition winners but nevertheless good. Go on ... you know you want one. The only disadvantage is that it disrupts the Nikon long glass fitness programme. I can just about manage 5-10 k with the 400 2.8 or 500 f4 and a d4 in a Glass Limo, but I can't pretend that you don't feel it. Ed |
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jk
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This is what put me off the V1 Ed. Whilst I want the good high ISO performance I get from the Fuji XPro1 if Nikon did an equivalent then I'd be out there like a shot. Nikon AF in a APS-C (DX) format mirrorless camera would kill the Fuji XPro1. The Fuji XF lenses are brilliantly sharp and contrasty and very light. This is a real boon. At times though I do wish for a longer lens than 60mm (90mm FX) but I can use my 70-300 AFS VR with a Kipon adapter on the Fuji. This gives me a very light but no AF or VR camera with a 450mm lens (FX equivalent). Still no perfect camera. |
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blackfox
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i intend to download a firmware upgrade (whether i need it or not later tonite) then try again just had some interesting info regarding use and modes etc from a friend in germany .as soon as i have put it all into practise i will put it on here .can't quiet get my head round why its doing somethings but not others .so firmware could be half the answer .got a few shots with it today but i didn't want to swop lenses as we were on the beach . eric if you go down the route i have you still have a superb little back up camera that really rocks for very slightly over £400 inc the adaptor .in this day and age its a bargain to go for .i also have the feeling that the FT1 can be fixed to recognise stuff its not supposed to bit like taping canon t/c's someone will figure it out no doubt |
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Eric
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blackfox wrote: i intend to download a firmware upgrade (whether i need it or not later tonite) then try again just had some interesting info regarding use and modes etc from a friend in germany .as soon as i have put it all into practise i will put it on here .can't quiet get my head round why its doing somethings but not others .so firmware could be half the answer .got a few shots with it today but i didn't want to swop lenses as we were on the beach .Jeff Ive been having a bit of a thunk. I have been deliberating (some say vacillating) between the Fuji EX1 and the Nikon V1/V2 for a while now. My primary desire would be to use one or the other in place of the D7000 as a walkaround camera. For those occasions that I need telephoto I have 300 and 500 primes which common sense suggests sticking on a V1/V2 to give the longest reach. But given all the issues you mention regarding focus speed and menu compexity I am wondering if the D7000 is going to be any better cropped to equate to a 2.7 x factor? (I dont consider the Fuji route for telephoto...but ok for walkaround.) I dont suppose you could take a couple of shots for me to compare? And email me the jpgs? D7000 + 300mm versus V1 + 300mm. Same settings if poss. Doesnt have to be anything special - just an outdoor shot that would enable me to crop the D7000 field of view to the V1 equivalent, for a direct comparison? If the V1 is better than the D7000 crop I may get one. But if there is naff all difference I may just keep the D7000 (until a new DX body comes along) and get the Fuji for walkaround. I suppose the other question is whether the V2 is any better than the V1? I realise its a bigger chunk of cash and the v1 is a bargain, but ????? |
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blackfox
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o.k just tried it and it seems to work . apparently this comes via nikon themselves for when using the FT1 ,set your mode to P MODE . use spot metering .mechanical shutter only ( to avoid highlight blooming) iso 100-800 auto. or 800 fixed ,active D lighting off ,long exposure n/r off ,high iso n/r off (this might mean noisier pics but there sharper ) well worth a try and i fully realise i might be telling my granny how to suck eggs .but my thoughts so far go along the lines of stop treating it like a dslr its not . if you have been using differently try this see if it gets lenses working that therwise would not failing that i'll attempt to shut up :-( |
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blackfox
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I dont suppose you could take a couple of shots for me to compare? And email me the jpgs?D7000 + 300mm versus V1 + 300mm. Same settings if poss.Doesnt have to be anything special - just an outdoor shot that would enable me to crop the D7000 field of view to the V1 equivalent, for a direct comparison?If the V1 is better than the D7000 crop I may get one. But if there is naff all difference I may just keep the D7000 (until a new DX body comes along) and get the Fuji for walkaround.I suppose the other question is whether the V2 is any better than the V1?I realise its a bigger chunk of cash and the v1 is a bargain, but ????? yep not a problem eric i will get on it sometime tomorrow .is it o.k to just post the pics on here or do you want them sent ,if so i need a e/mail addy p.s the V2 has got a really crap write up and reading tween the lines the advances have been made for the benefit of native lens users ,not for large lens users |
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Robert
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To throw further variables into the equation I just read an interesting article on the V1 as an IR camera. Neither the 18? nor the zoom apparently have a hotspot. I can point you to the the origin of the info but it's a locked site. If interested I will try to get further info. There is a full tutorial on opening up the V1 and converting it. |
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blackfox
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one from today taken with the v1 plus 55-300mm.vr cropped to 5mp so 50% crop HAND HELD pic .i really wanted to swop to the f4 and tripod mount but i didn't want to chance it on the beach .still on a learning curve with this as theres nothing to grip onto like a big camera but getting there  snow bunting V1 by black fox wildlife photography, on Flickrlooking at the exif data on the d300 the distance was 12mtrs or 39 feet away ,so yep its doing the job |
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jk
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blackfox wrote: I dont suppose you could take a couple of shots for me to compare? And email me the jpgs?D7000 + 300mm versus V1 + 300mm. Same settings if poss.Doesnt have to be anything special - just an outdoor shot that would enable me to crop the D7000 field of view to the V1 equivalent, for a direct comparison?If the V1 is better than the D7000 crop I may get one. But if there is naff all difference I may just keep the D7000 (until a new DX body comes along) and get the Fuji for walkaround.I suppose the other question is whether the V2 is any better than the V1?I realise its a bigger chunk of cash and the v1 is a bargain, but ?????Probably best to email to Eric as he probably wants full sized jpg that wont upload here anyway. You can see his email address in his profile. |
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Eric
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Robert wrote: To throw further variables into the equation I just read an interesting article on the V1 as an IR camera. Neither the 18? nor the zoom apparently have a hotspot.I am not surprised at that...though I don't know why. Maybe the diameter lens diameters and compactness? I will have a better idea if Imget my hands on one! I DIDN'T intend moving from the D200IR just yet...although the price of the V1 body might tempt me as I could sell the D200 and it's expensive companion lens!:baffled: |
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jk
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Wow. Look here. http://nikongear.com/live/index.php?/topic/46637-nikon-v1-ir-conversion/ Eric re the IR item. Have you tried the X100 with a Hoya R72.With the right WB settings on a Custom setting this works beautifully as it visualises the image on the TFT or EVF and for composing you use the OVF.Same on XPro1 and XE1 but in XE1 there is no OVF. |
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jk
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I was very impressed with the V1 that I tested when it first came out but decided that the X100 and the XPro1 were closer to my needs. However the V1 has better/quicker AF than either of the Fuji cameras. |
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Eric
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jk wrote: Wow. Look here.Presumably the shutter speeds are long though? |
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jk
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ISO800, 1/30-1/8, f8 is typical here. Yes needs a tripod but that aids composition! |
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Constable
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I've just uploaded a few shots that make me realise why we shouldn't be abandoning the DSLRs for the V2 ... all with the D4 and 500 (Asuming I can get the linking to my gallery to work). Whole session spent at mostly 1250 - 1600 ISO. I love the D3/D4 series under these dull conditions.   Ed (edit - gosh it worked like it says on the packet) |
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jk
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pays to read the packet. Love the grebe. If I hadnt bought the X100 before the V1 arrived I'd have a V1 now but the IQ from them is not close to the X100. |
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Constable
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Actually it is a merganser (or goosander) I think you made the right choice .. If fuji made a lense at about 200 mm I'd be tempted by an xpro1 But my walkaround is the nex at the moment Ed |
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jk
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That lens is coming at the end of 2013 as a 70-200 zoom. |
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blackfox
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something i was discussing with eric yesterday .the need to fill the frame to take advantage of sensor size ,a practical demo today ,taken with the nikon v1 +300mm-f4 a totally uncropped 10mp image of a water rail ,as yoda would say "pleased am i "  raily nice to meet you by black fox wildlife photography, on Flickr |
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jk
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Nice one Jeff. Or as I should say "Raily nice!" I guess that will go to an A4 print but not much more. However most people dont print onto large prints. The important is that you have managed to get the image to fill the frame so cropping is unnecessary. |
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Squarerigger
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Incredible Jeff. How far away were you? |
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jk
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I reckon he has an aviary with tame birds in it. |
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Squarerigger
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jk wrote: I reckon he has an aviary with tame birds in it.He could be in a museum JK. The feet are not visible so it could be stuffed and anchored. Very, very sly. |
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jk
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No I've seen some of his other pictures so I know that my comment about the aviary is not true. He knows his birds and their environment which is why he gets the photos. |
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blackfox
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Squarerigger wrote: Incredible Jeff. How far away were you?i have just checked on some that i took with the d300s gary so distance is recorded (pity the shots were not as good)  and it was 12 metres or 39 english or americanese feet  |
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Eric
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Constable wrote: Actually it is a merganser (or goosander)You beat me to it. Lovely bird. I am going to evaluate the Fuji EX as a walk around camera. But I seriously think using it as a vehicle for long tele work is a bit pointless. Unless you have VR lenses that work fully with the Fuji ( Nikon don't ) you need a tripod. If you take a tripod you might as well take a DX DSLR. Ed...why don't you use the D800 for wildlife shots? Surely the extra pixels would enable even tighter cropping? |
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