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| Posted by Eric: Fri Apr 25th, 2014 11:00 | 1st Post |
| Just had the XE1 converted to IR. As soon as the sun comes out i will see if the cost was worth it. The weight saving over the D200+17-35 is considerable. In fact, the XE .(IR) and the XT (colour) with 2 lenses (18-55, 55-200) combined are about the same as the D200 and lens. So i can get them all, plus the wifes video, in one bag....and still carry it! Wheres that sun? 
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| Posted by jk: Sat Apr 26th, 2014 07:49 | 2nd Post |
| Cool. Look forward to seeing some results. Here comes the sun!
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| Posted by Eric: Sat Apr 26th, 2014 16:51 | 3rd Post |
jk wrote:Cool. Did a custome wb off the grass today when sun was out. Quite a lot different to the setting ACS had. (maybe they didn't do one!) I took a few shots in the garden using the 55-200. I haven't downloaded and assessed them but they looked really sharp on the LCD...though I think I could see a hotspot. Think I need to dig out the old Action to autocorrect it 
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| Posted by jk: Sat Apr 26th, 2014 17:10 | 4th Post |
| I think you will find a hotspot with both zooms but they are Photoshop removable! The 14mm, 18mm, or 35mm lens are all very good in IR with no hotspot.
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| Posted by Eric: Mon Apr 28th, 2014 11:16 | 5th Post |
jk wrote:I think you will find a hotspot with both zooms but they are Photoshop removable! The 14mm, 18mm, or 35mm lens are all very good in IR with no hotspot. Off on our travels shortly, so no time to do anything now. But i may treat myself to the 14mm next month if the ir looks promising. It would be useful for colour as well....18mm being really 25mm is sometimes too narrow. Have sold 3 nikon lenses to fund XT purchase....but i feel a further purge of nikon gear imminent ....if it all performs well.
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| Posted by jk: Mon Apr 28th, 2014 18:26 | 6th Post |
| Happy Holidays.
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| Posted by Eric: Sun May 11th, 2014 08:12 | 7th Post |
| Not happy with the 18-55 for IR...nasty hotspot. The 55-200 is ok, but sadly not wide enough. Will need to evaluate the 14mm when I return home. Jonathan, It's interesting that you said the hotspot wasnt too bad using the external filter. Clearly putting the filter inside is exacerbating this effect.
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| Posted by amazing50: Sun May 11th, 2014 09:04 | 8th Post |
Eric wroteJonathan, It's interesting that you said the hotspot wasn't too bad using the external filter. Clearly putting the filter inside is exacerbating this effect.You could compare a few shots with and without an external filter. A 720nm shouldn't effect your exposure very much and it may reduce the hotspot.
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| Posted by TomOC: Sun May 11th, 2014 15:29 | 9th Post |
| Eric- Thanks for the timely posting... I was just about to list my xe1 on ebay. I've dithered about it since it is worth so little in the aftermarket. I'm going to look into an IR conversion...great idea !!! thanks Tom
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| Posted by jk: Sun May 11th, 2014 16:06 | 10th Post |
Eric wrote:Not happy with the 18-55 for IR...nasty hotspot. The 55-200 is ok, but sadly not wide enough. Will need to evaluate the 14mm when I return home. See here for some shots from using the XPro1 and 18-55 with R72 filter. http://www.jmknights.com/photography/photos-2/files/page4-1049-full.html http://www.jmknights.com/photography/photos-2/files/page4-1050-full.html Be interested to see one of your images. If you want to Dropbox a RAF then I can compare.
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| Posted by jk: Sun May 11th, 2014 16:08 | 11th Post |
amazing50 wrote:Eric wroteJonathan, It's interesting that you said the hotspot wasn't too bad using the external filter. Clearly putting the filter inside is exacerbating this effect.You could compare a few shots with and without an external filter. A 720nm shouldn't effect your exposure very much and it may reduce the hotspot. That would be an interesting experiment.
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| Posted by TomOC: Mon May 12th, 2014 00:26 | 12th Post |
| Eric- I forgot why I stall out each time I go to get a camera converted... What the heck is the deal with all the different types of conversions? What did you get for the ex1? I'm thinking R72/89B IR filter installation (720nm) from SpencersCamera.com for $250??? Does that make sense. They offer 5 different conversions !!! Thanks, Tom
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| Posted by Eric: Mon May 12th, 2014 03:21 | 13th Post |
TomOC wrote:Eric- Mine was the 720nm. I find it gives a cleaner, more 'duotone' effect of white and brown. Some of the other filters introduce reds and purples which can give weird effects (IMHO) when post processing. It's sort of akin to tinting a black and white print ...compared to tinting a colour print. With only mono to work with you get a purer result. Tint a colour print and everything is unpredictable. Just my 2cents.
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| Posted by Eric: Mon May 12th, 2014 03:27 | 14th Post |
jk wrote:Eric wrote: Have to say its quite horrendous! I have been having to very carefully frame shots with a view to ease of removing the hotspots later!! I will see if I can do a comparison shot later today when sun comes out... with both lenses at 55mm and upload to my Dropbox. I haven't got the raw converter with me ...so if you would like to grab these images, process and post them here to demonstrate the extent of the issue, that would be ok with me. Will send you the Dropbox link when it's done.
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| Posted by TomOC: Tue May 13th, 2014 13:36 | 15th Post |
Eric wrote:TomOC wrote: Thanks, Eric. Just what I wanted to know. I really care 95% about BW only. Off to order the 720n Cheers, Tom
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| Posted by jk: Tue May 13th, 2014 14:49 | 16th Post |
| Look forward to seeing some of your results Tom. I fancy getting my XE1 or XPro1 converted to IR . The XPro1 is favourite as I like the EVF on the XE1 better.
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| Posted by Eric: Tue May 13th, 2014 15:00 | 17th Post |
TomOC wrote:Eric wrote: Just as a heads up on the choice of lens.... I have the 18-55 and 55-200. Firstly for landscapes 18mm, =24mm, isnt quite wide enough for wide landscapes that make IR work so well. (that isn't to say you can't work tighter with IR, I've done some interesting close ups) Working with the 18-55 I have discovered it has the potential for a nasty hotspot. Initially I thought it was a total right off but on further investigation it's clear that the wider the focal length AND the smaller the aperture, the worse the hotspot shows. For example ...at 18mm and f8 the hotspot is bad...at f16 it's like a spotlight down the centre of the lens!! I have deduced that from 18-34mm you must work at no more than 2stops down from max aperture. From3 35-55 its a more generous 3-4stops. This explains why the 55-200 is acceptable at f8 (my preferred aperture for IR) All this means is that unless I use f4 I can't use the 18-34mm range. But as I said earlier, this is already not wide enough at 18mm. So when I get back from Italy, I must check the 14mm prime to see whether it too, has a hotspot. If its ok, then I will use it on the IR (still there for colour use of course). If its no better, I need to rethink the usefulness of this exercise. It's really cool having a lightweight kit for both colour and IR. I have been clambering round a medieval town in Umbria the last two days and the backpack has been barely noticeable. But if I have to spend hours correcting image defects in photoshop ...it's going to become a point of irritation, and lose its appeal! Fingers crossed the 14mm is ok. Edit...can I just add that there is a reason for using f8 with IR. You get a sufficient depth of field to ensure compensation for the focus shift due to IR. Of course the camera has, or should have, been recalibrated but it's still a bit of a black art...imho
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| Posted by jk: Tue May 13th, 2014 16:24 | 18th Post |
| I'll see if I have any IR shots with my Fuji14mm f2.8 and post if I find one.
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| Posted by jk: Tue May 13th, 2014 16:41 | 19th Post |
| Here is an image shot with the Fuji XF 14mm f2.8 with a R72 filter on the front. ISO Speed Ratings = 3200 Shutter Speed (Exposure Time) = 1/9 second Aperture = Æ’/2.8 Straight from RAF. No PP other than LR5.4 save to JPG. Attachment: XP1-1-4238.jpg (Downloaded 21 times)
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| Posted by jk: Tue May 13th, 2014 16:58 | 20th Post |
| The exposure shown is a normal exposure for IR under bright sunny conditions here in Spain. If this was UK light it would be around 5-10 seconds at f2.8 at ISO3200.
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| Posted by jk: Wed May 14th, 2014 09:17 | 21st Post |
| And now a little bit of processing. Adjusted exposure by +2.3EV (seems a lot). Converted to B&W Sharpened Attachment: XP1-1-4238.jpg (Downloaded 62 times)
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| Posted by jk: Wed May 14th, 2014 09:20 | 22nd Post |
| No sign of a hot-spot. Looks like Eric will be buying a 14mm. 
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| Posted by jk: Wed May 14th, 2014 09:41 | 23rd Post |
| And a quick retake at ISO200 rather than ISO3200 and then processed. Post processing is nothing more than a convert to B&W and sharpen in Lightroom. Eric, definitely no hotspot!! Taken with XE1 rather than XPro1, again with Hoya R72 filter. 2.5secs, f8 at ISO200 Attachment: XE1-1-2277.jpg (Downloaded 62 times)
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| Posted by TomOC: Wed May 14th, 2014 13:53 | 24th Post |
Eric wrote:TomOC wrote: You're scaring me again  I rarely use the fuji zoom... Part of the value to me is the wholly different concept of size, weight and prime! I think I'll go ahead...the old xe1 isn't really worth much right now - it plummeted with the intro of xe2 and this is about the cheapest way to give IR a spin around the block. But I will wait with baited breath to hear your thoughts on the 14mm Tom
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| Posted by Eric: Sun May 18th, 2014 04:25 | 25th Post |
jk wrote:And a quick retake at ISO200 rather than ISO3200 and then processed. Frankly Jonathan I wouldn't expect a hotspot from using a front mounted filter. It this were the case there would have been an outcry from the many people who use front filters of all sorts. This is down to the way the internal filter behaves with closer proximity to the rear of the lens and the sensor. I don't pretend to be able to explain why. But I do remember that the 50mm f1.8 AND 1.4 primes can exhibit hotspots working normally without filters in colour mode! I shot some black boots against white background some years back now, and got a blue fog hotspot on the boots. It was very small thought it was a boot defect but as it was catalogue work and I noticed all the boots with the same mark. Changed to the 105mm lens and the marks disappeared! Its not until you do repetitive shots from same position and lighting that these sort of issues show up. I have some time on my hands now so I will turn the files to jpg format on the XE and take some example shots......be prepared to be horrified!
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| Posted by jk: Sun May 18th, 2014 04:36 | 26th Post |
| Yes I think you are right on that. I am sitting comfortably waiting to be horrified. Hope your ribs are improving!
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| Posted by jk: Sun May 18th, 2014 04:36 | 27th Post |
| Yes I think you are right on that. I am sitting comfortably waiting to be horrified. Hope your ribs are improving!
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| Posted by Eric: Sun May 18th, 2014 10:02 | 28th Post |
jk wrote:Yes I think you are right on that. I thought I sent you a pm about password? Can't log on from my roving laptop as I haven't got password....can you send details?
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| Posted by jk: Sun May 18th, 2014 12:46 | 29th Post |
| PM sent but you cant see that. If you change password from your ipad you can then sync the two devices to the new password.
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| Posted by jk: Sun May 18th, 2014 15:19 | 30th Post |
| Eric password has been reset. As requested.
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| Posted by Eric: Mon May 19th, 2014 15:14 | 31st Post |
| thanks jk will see what I can upload..... answer nothing!!! for some reason either this laptop or the wifi service wont let me upload 500k jpegs?????  this wifi must be painfully slow. I am trying to upload 9x 500k files to my dropbox and it says 10mins!!!! will posst link to dropbox in ....10mins lol perhaps you will then post the files?
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| Posted by Eric: Mon May 19th, 2014 15:48 | 32nd Post |
| https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5rj32t3igtmt4e2/AACUIeUSbn_cu9ffgF1D6UTta focal length can we deduced by field of view .....the smaller the fstop the more horrid f4..f8...f16 don't have NIGHTMARES Jonathan 
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| Posted by jk: Mon May 19th, 2014 18:16 | 33rd Post |
| OK got the files down on my machine. I will take a look at them tomorrow afternoon. Initial look the hotspot is nasty as it is dual when you get to f8 and beyond.
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| Posted by Eric: Tue May 20th, 2014 03:59 | 34th Post |
jk wrote:OK got the files down on my machine. I will take a look at them tomorrow afternoon. Yes. I found that quite intriquing. Why 2? It must tell us something about HOW it's caused. Is it the curvature of the rear glass?
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| Posted by Eric: Sun Jun 15th, 2014 15:19 | 35th Post |
| I've posted some IR images taken recently with the Fuji XE1, in my gallery. To over come the hotspot on some I had to shoot a panorama series, thus moving the central hotspot in each image off centre, and then overlaying the images so that the hotspots were covered by the next image.
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| Posted by amazing50: Mon Jun 16th, 2014 10:11 | 36th Post |
| Eric, when you use the viewfinder on your converted camera, are the immages dark red as they are on a DSLR with a 720nm filter on the front of the lens?
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| Posted by Eric: Mon Jun 16th, 2014 11:25 | 37th Post |
amazing50 wrote:Eric, when you use the viewfinder on your converted camera, are the immages dark red as they are on a DSLR with a 720nm filter on the front of the lens? They are sepia tinted 'normally' illuminated in the viewfinder. Without a white balance correction (ie making a custom white balance from green foliage) the image is red...but not dark red. I always shoot some grass in full sun and save the wb as default. The colour temperature varies a bit around the year, but as long as I don't do it in low autumn light or late in the day, the wb is usually good enough.
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| Posted by jk: Mon Jun 16th, 2014 16:22 | 38th Post |
| Eric, So some of the IR images from your holiday are not at all badly effected by the hotspot. What are your thoughts on the use of the IR converted XE1 ? Is it as good or better than the D200? I think that you need to test with a Fuji 14mm .
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| Posted by Eric: Tue Jun 17th, 2014 04:23 | 39th Post |
jk wrote:Eric, So some of the IR images from your holiday are not at all badly effected by the hotspot. The XE is a very good performer and a definite lightweight alternative to the D200. It really all boils down to the lens. If the 14mm has no hotspot (on a converted camera) then it at least gives me a wide landscape option. BUT...with the 18-55 performing so poorly it leaves a big gap in the focal length range. With the D200 I use the 17-35 ( 25-53mm equiv) almost exclusively. I've never felt the lack of a wider or longer lens! I am loathed to ADD more lenses to the Fuji range, as the whole point of this change is reducing weight and complexity when travelling. I need to go back through my IR images and establish the percentage shot at each focal length. It may give me a steer towards where to go. But there is no doubt I need to take the XE over to WEX and try all Fuji X lenses for hot spots before committing more cash. Wouldn't it be great if the humble 16-50 (24-75) didn't have a hotspot? Maybe next week when I have my new vehicle.
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| Posted by jk: Tue Jun 17th, 2014 05:18 | 40th Post |
| Looks like you need to test the 14mm and 35mm primes. I have 14, 18, 35, 56, 60, 18-55, 55-200 lenses. I will come to UK in September and you can have a test then if you dont get to Wex before!
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| Posted by jk: Tue Jun 17th, 2014 05:22 | 41st Post |
| I just noticed that you said in your post#35 that the IR gallery images were from XT1. That means you used an R72 on the lens. Is that correct or did you mean XE1?
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| Posted by Eric: Tue Jun 17th, 2014 07:52 | 42nd Post |
jk wrote:Looks like you need to test the 14mm and 35mm primes. ....and the 18mm . 
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| Posted by jk: Tue Jun 17th, 2014 12:24 | 43rd Post |
| I dont think the 18mm is that wide after the 14mm. Also I didnt say that I also had the Samyang 8mm in Fuji X fit. Manual focus only but with it being so wide it is easy to focus and use f8 and hyperfocal infinity and 3m all in focus. If you test the 18mm and want it then you can have my one Mint condition. Maybe even swap for your D200 IR. PM me if you are interested.
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| Posted by Eric: Tue Jun 17th, 2014 12:33 | 44th Post |
jk wrote:I just noticed that you said in your post#35 that the IR gallery images were from XT1. Sorry Jonathan, missed this post....typo.... should be XE 1. Can you correct it, so as not to confuse anyone else?
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| Posted by jk: Wed Jun 18th, 2014 03:03 | 45th Post |
| Well I would be very pleased with those new images but then again I dont have your IR post processing skills. Mine never have the sky colour and rendering that you achieve. :-(
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| Posted by Eric: Wed Jun 18th, 2014 04:50 | 46th Post |
jk wrote:Well I would be very pleased with those new images but then again I dont have your IR post processing skills. Mine never have the sky colour and rendering that you achieve. :-( It's really not that involved. I set the white and black point using Levels. I then use an action that 'sharpens' by increasing contrast. At this point I either bin the image for lying about its potential or look at extraneous colour..... Firstly remove all unwanted colour. Ideally I like to only have yellows and maybe some reds in the image. So I go to Hue Sat and INCREASE THE LIGHTNESS of all the channels except yellow and red. (Don't desaturated as it makes those areas go grey.) With a narrower band of colours available you get a purer flip eg just yellows to blues. So if the image recommends a specific treatment eg blue sky, brown road...I create a second layer and do the channel mix swop on the blue and red channels. Then erase the areas on the blue top layer to reveal the brown bottom layer parts. After flattening the layers I go to Hue Sat and whack the saturation to maximum. This shows any areas in the image that may have retained spurious colour casts. Then after cancelling this change I just use the sponge tool to desat those spurious color areas AND THEN use the dodge tool on the same areas to lighten them (same reason as the earlier comment). For me it's all about getting the whites white, the blacks black and leaving colour in areas that recommend it. But the biggest step is only taking images that have a strong non IR interest factor. Too much shrubbery, grass or trees just swamps the eye...whether green or white.
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| Posted by Eric: Fri Jun 20th, 2014 11:13 | 47th Post |
| I've added another 6 images to the gallery for those interested, which hopefully show the good side of the Fuji XE1 (as opposed to some X series lenses hotspots). Most of these have had the hotspot masked or diminished.
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| Posted by Eric: Tue Jul 1st, 2014 11:43 | 48th Post |
| Having already briefed Mr Knights on this subject I thought I had better share this snippet with other potential Fuji IR users. As mentioned already, the 18-55 has a severe hotspot throughout the widest part of its range rendering it useless for IR. Today I discovered the 10-24 ALSO has a severe hotspot...but throughout is range (not surpringinly continuing the effect seen in wider end of the 18-55 lens) The 14mm prime DOESN'T have a hotspot as JK discovered. But the cheapo 16-50 'kit' lens ALSO DOESN'T have a hotspot...at least not up to f8. Beyond f8 there is a faint central fog which may be undiscernable to many eyes, and easily adjusted if required. So I got oneof these lenses at a good knock down price and will publish some shots with it in due course. It's interesting that the problem occurs in the 'quality' wide zooms but not the cheap ones, longer zooms or primes? Obviously to do with lens construction, but what exactly, can't say.
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| Posted by jk: Tue Jul 1st, 2014 15:04 | 49th Post |
| I look forward to seeing the IR results from your XE1 with the 16-50. Well done on the cheap lens acquisition. Looks like you have made a good find and purchase. BTW: It is Dr Knights!!! 
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| Posted by Eric: Tue Jul 1st, 2014 17:51 | 50th Post |
jk wrote:I look forward to seeing the IR results from your XE1 with the 16-50. I was talking about Mr Knights who lives at no. 27.
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| Posted by jk: Wed Jul 2nd, 2014 05:41 | 51st Post |
Eric wrote: jk wrote: 
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