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| Posted by novicius: Tue Jun 25th, 2019 23:19 | 1st Post |
| Announced some time soon, for the Z mount, does anyone know if there will be one in F-mount as well ?..apart from " Probably,it makes sense " to "No...Nikon is phasing out the F-mount "..and anything in between, no-one I have talked to seem to know...so, anyone here heard something substantial ?
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| Posted by Robert: Wed Jun 26th, 2019 01:56 | 2nd Post |
| Not clear exactly what you're asking about... Except perhaps the f/0.9 noct S lens? I do know someone who has one on order and they are expecting an eye watering large bill.
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| Posted by Gilbert Sandberg: Wed Jun 26th, 2019 02:29 | 3rd Post |
| I agree with Robert,your q should be more clear. On the 0.95 lens I think of it as a demonstrator, to show the world what can be done with recent technology, and without the size-restrictions of the F-mount. I have seen videos of the combination Zn/0.95 lens, and in my eyes any lens of this spec fully negates any size/wight advantage of the Z-series camera's. Re: f-mount No one wants the F-mount to go, there is way too much good glass to go around. Regards, Gilbert.
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| Posted by novicius: Wed Jun 26th, 2019 04:29 | 4th Post |
| Yes,it`s about the new Noct. 58 f0.95 for the Z mount , and wrote that under " subject " in " description "...which I do Not see anywhere now ??
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| Posted by chrisbet: Wed Jun 26th, 2019 04:59 | 5th Post |
| It appears only in forum view under the topic name you started. I'll look at whether we can incorporate the topic description in the topic view as well. Why do you keep putting a backslash (/) in front of your inverted commas (") ? (I have edited them out)
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| Posted by jk: Wed Jun 26th, 2019 05:15 | 6th Post |
chrisbet wrote:It appears only in forum view under the topic name you started.Probably a keyboard thing in Danish. I would not worry about adding the topic description in as well. People seldom use it. I have edited the Topic title to incorporate the info.
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| Posted by jk: Wed Jun 26th, 2019 05:18 | 7th Post |
| Personally I cant see much point in the Z version of this lens. It is slated to be a manual focus lens which seems a bit pointless on a Z camera, but what do I know. On the F bayonet it might be more useful as many people use the F based film cameras as well DSLRs.
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| Posted by chrisbet: Wed Jun 26th, 2019 05:46 | 8th Post |
jk wrote:Probably a keyboard thing in Danish.It is an easy fix, while very few people use it, we may as well incorporate it to save any future confusions 
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| Posted by jk: Wed Jun 26th, 2019 09:15 | 9th Post |
chrisbet wrote:It is an easy fix, while very few people use it, we may as well incorporate it to save any future confusionsIf you like, just make sure it doesnt break anything!
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| Posted by chrisbet: Wed Jun 26th, 2019 10:33 | 10th Post |
| Done and it doesn't - description follows topic title and is in italics.
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| Posted by jk: Wed Jun 26th, 2019 10:43 | 11th Post |
chrisbet wrote:Done and it doesn'tWell done.  Haha. What were your test scripts. Have you done a full recursive test?
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| Posted by chrisbet: Wed Jun 26th, 2019 11:23 | 12th Post |
| The topic description already exists in the topic_info array for each topic so all that is required is to add that variable to the page headers in the template in the appropriate place, format it with italics and send the data via the view_topic.php file. The testing regime is the acid one - does it work or not ... 
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| Posted by novicius: Wed Jun 26th, 2019 16:21 | 13th Post |
| Yes, probably a keyboard thing,....does anyone know about that 58 f0.95 for F-mount ?......birthday coming up soon...
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| Posted by jk: Wed Jun 26th, 2019 17:28 | 14th Post |
| This lens specification is produced by several manufacturers e.g. Nikon, Fuji, but also by independent lens manufacturers. I wonder how generic the design is and that everyone seems to want to have a super-fast manual focus lens at 50-58mm f0.95 Reality check. Most digital cameras in the last 2-5 years can reach ISO3200/6400 easily with less graininess (colour noise) than a camera produced ~10 years ago e.g. Nikon D3. f0.95 is only one and one third stop faster than f1.4! So the same as using ISO80 (with f0.95) rather than ISO200 (for a f1.4 lens) there is diminishing returns as the ISO is raised above ISO800/1600 as other factors start to play.
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| Posted by Robert: Thu Jun 27th, 2019 02:45 | 15th Post |
| Ultra fast lenses like the 'noct' have little to do with available light or ISO, especially in this age of incredibly high ISO. They tend to be used to create dreamy, ultra sharp images with wafer thin depth of focus. It's close to a non industrial version of the Nikor 'O' oscilloscope lens, which are almost unobtainable now. It's an art thing, not appealing to the more formal or staid photographer. They can be used to great effect with focus stacking on the right subject. I wish I had the funds to obtain and skills needed to use such a lens. I have seen some wonderful examples of noct lens photography. One of these days I will get one of the fast projector lenses and adapt a helicoid to the F mount, the cheap route to wafer thin dof for paupers. My appetite is wetted for ultra thin dof ! ðŸ˜ðŸ¤—😜 Better go now, this wretched iPad thing is doing my head in, arrrgh!!!
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| Posted by Gilbert Sandberg: Thu Jun 27th, 2019 05:41 | 16th Post |
| Nov..., re: know about I tried to indicate : In my opinion the 0.95 design is a special to show off what is possible with the Z mount. Inherently, this design cannot be converted to fit the F mount. Just look a the back-side of Nikon's 55mm 1.2 lenses for F mount, it is a case of a shoehorn to get everything to fit. Regards, Gijbert
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| Posted by jk: Thu Jun 27th, 2019 05:58 | 17th Post |
Robert wrote:Ultra fast lenses like the 'noct' have little to do with available light or ISO, especially in this age of incredibly high ISO. They tend to be used to create dreamy, ultra sharp images with wafer thin depth of focus. It's close to a non industrial version of the Nikor 'O' oscilloscope lens, which are almost unobtainable now.There are plenty of Nikkor 55mm f1.2 lenses around on ebay and secondhand dealers. I have one that is very nice but I also have the 85 f1.4 which I prefer. The 105 f1.8 is also good and I need to use it more but I prefer the 85. I would love the new 105 f1.4 AFS or the 135 f2.0 DC AF.
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| Posted by jk: Thu Jun 27th, 2019 06:07 | 18th Post |
| This is not the Nikon version for Z6/7 but ....... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mitakon-Speedmaster-50mm-F-0-95-III-Lens-for-Nikon-Z-mount-Z6-Z7-mirrorless/401794320672?hash=item5d8ccec920:g:x3QAAOSwIXZdAMv3
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| Posted by Eric: Thu Jun 27th, 2019 11:18 | 19th Post |
| I fear they are trying to turn the Z system into something more than it actually is....prosumer. One day mirrorless will take over from DSLR but trying to build your whole photography world around it, at this time, is going to bring disappointments.
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| Posted by novicius: Tue Jul 2nd, 2019 21:44 | 20th Post |
| Yes, I do realize there are Fast Lenses outthere...I do have the 55 f1.2 , However..going back some five decades ago when I started out with a `real camera " , a Zenith 3M with a Helios 44 lens which is at 58mm f2.0...followed by a konica autoreflex with Hexanon 52 f1.8 ,I was Disappointed...the Helios had somewhat better Contrast ,but the real culprit was it`s Focal length of 58mm , the Hexanon`s 52mm was too short, when I went on to Nikon, I got the 50 f2.0....50 f1.4...all too short for me , then the 55 f1.2 came along and I could breathe again...but still, it is No 58mm. Several times did I come this close to obtain the Noct 58 f1.2, but there was always a lens , camera or flash that had precedens, looking back, I realized that an f1.2 I already had sooo....I deemed it Not justfied to spend that much cash on something that came close to something I already had. All this time I Envied the leica folks with their Noctilux 50 f1.0 , consoling myself that it was n`t a 58mm,..now , I do have the zoom nikkor 35-70 f2.8 af-D , but even when set to ( about ) 58mm , it just can n`t cut it , it just does Not feel right. The comment about the F-flange being inadequate for such a f0.95 optic does not hold water either, as the Inner Diameter of the Leica M-flange has te Same 44mm Inner Diameter as the Nikon F-flange which is Also at 44mm , ...tho` I do realize that Flange distances are rather different , that should Not be of Any Consequence since Both of their rear lens elements would Protrude in said diameter. I have studied Tests/Comments of the Mitakon/Samyang/Zenitar f0.95 lenses, and those are of Mediocre quality at best. When I have to shell out " hard to come by Cash " for something i want , then it has to be Worth my while, the new Noct 58 f0.95 might ..( if it is anything like the f1.2 version)...the rest does not meet the criteria . Just a day ago have I aquired the Motorola Moto Z3 with the HASSELBLAD clip on, it is of such Incredible Quality that it Nearly makes Most of my photographic equipment Obsolete...if it was n`t for my 14-24 f2.8....PC-E 24 f3.5.....PC 28 f3.5.....PC 35 f2.8.....PC-E Micro 85 f2.8....135 f2.0.....180 f2.8....all of these being " smart Phone camera Killers " .....with the Noct 58 f0.95 as a Welcome Re-Inforcement. This is the position that I find myself in the realm of Photography. Long Story short, with All the Lenses that I have, there are Two that I " Need "...the PC-E 19 f4.0 and that New Noct 58 f0.95.... Question is....Will Nikon accommodate me in my Quest of Photographic Bliss...
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| Posted by Gilbert Sandberg: Wed Jul 3rd, 2019 05:42 | 21st Post |
| N, Thanks for the explanations. re: accomodate If you have the means to acquire ale that glass, the purchase of a Z6 body should be possible, if only to mount the 0.95 lens... In a similar fashion people have bought Leica M bodies, if only to mount the Leica Noctilux lenses. Regards, Gilbert.
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