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Posted: Sat Dec 12th, 2015 09:47
 
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Question...why do you use 50mm lens for these shots? Surely that just means cropping?


It's that or the Nikkor D 20mm f2.8 but that was on the D200, perhaps, looking back I should have had the 20mm on the D300... I wanted a wider view to stand a chance of catching a meteor, they can occur anywhere in the sky, in fact, apparently the radiant point isn't the best place to point the camera. I just kept pointing the cameras at the clearest area of the sky.

I didn't want to use the zooms because they are so slow and would need to be stopped down a bit to avoid CA.

To use the 180 or 300 would reduce the odds of capturing a meteor to almost zero. A fisheye would be better but everything would be tiny, any meteor would be so small it would be difficult to spot them.


Ah yes, silly me....was forgetting this was for meteor capture, and thinking just star shots.



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Even for star shots and astrophotography people seem to recommend using a fast wide angle lens e.g. 20-35mm and if possible a fast aperture such as f2.0 or f2.8 but used at f4.



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Even for star shots and astrophotography people seem to recommend using a fast wide angle lens e.g. 20-35mm and if possible a fast aperture such as f2.0 or f2.8 but used at f4.

Yes I have seen that before and never asked why?

I naively assumed using a long lens would get a tighter field of view requiring lens post cropping....which for other photography is preferred when you cannot get closer to the subject.

Maybe with stars, the distances involved are immaterial?

But I would have thought pictorially if the noise /grain is too large (relative to the 'light dots') as a result of enlarging/ cropping ...it would be better to do less cropping and use long lens???

Or perhaps with median stacking etc noise size becomes irrelevant?

As I say...don't understand the 50mm logic.

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Dont forget the Geminids shower on December 13th and 14th nights but there are others.
See this.

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Next years events.
http://www.cute-calendar.com/category/meteor-showers.html



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With unbroken cloud and light rain forecast for next 48hrs, I will have to look elsewhere on another date.:thumbsdown:



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Clear skies to the south.
Showering! My first serious try at this astro/star photography stuff.
I have set camera to auto-shoot 25 frames 1 minute apart of 12 seconds at f4 at ISO1600.
There is a bit of light to the south from a major town (Denia) but I will see what happens.

I wont get a chance to process the images until tomorrow evening as I am busy tomorrow during the day.



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Early look, no meteors! :-(
Well there is always tomorrow.



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I took the boys out last night Sat 12th Dec. at ten pm, we got back at three am! Been plastering all day. Trying to make something of the images, I have one capture of a meteor, on the D300s with the Nikkor 20mm 2.8; 15 seconds @ f4. Also caught an aircraft in about 10 images of the same stack! It must have been flying low over the Lakes, may have been a helicopter?

Christopher estimates he saw about 20 meteors during the outing. He was very impressed. Michael helped setting up the cameras and managed the catering...

Anybody watching us would have thought we were fresh from the Mad Hatters Tea Party! LOL Christopher was lying on his back on the frozen ground (watching for meteors), I was running from camera to camera checking them and Michael was dishing up doughnuts and sausage rolls in total darkness, well almost, there was no moon.

Working on the meteor image, a bit of light pollution and amplified noise I think. A touch of CA, the stars are mostly pure white, so probably blown. I think 15 seconds may have been a bit too long, ten may have been better.

The 20mm f2.8 seems to need a longer exposure than the 50mm f1.4 at f4 on the same body. Don't quite understand that.

I am getting a better understanding of the median stacking process, aligning the stars is the biggest problem. Will describe it more fully in another post. I am devising a workaround, the issue is alignment of the 'rotating' stars coupled with interference from passing clouds and some other factor which is messing the Ps Auto Align up.



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I took the boys out last night Sat 12th Dec. at ten pm, we got back at three am! Been plastering all day. Trying to make something of the images, I have one capture of a meteor, on the D300s with the Nikkor 20mm 2.8; 15 seconds @ f4. Also caught an aircraft in about 10 images of the same stack! It must have been flying low over the Lakes, may have been a helicopter?

Christopher estimates he saw about 20 meteors during the outing. He was very impressed. Michael helped setting up the cameras and managed the catering...

Anybody watching us would have thought we were fresh from the Mad Hatters Tea Party! LOL Christopher was lying on his back on the frozen ground (watching for meteors), I was running from camera to camera checking them and Michael was dishing up doughnuts and sausage rolls in total darkness, well almost, there was no moon.

Working on the meteor image, a bit of light pollution and amplified noise I think. A touch of CA, the stars are mostly pure white, so probably blown. I think 15 seconds may have been a bit too long, ten may have been better.

The 20mm f2.8 seems to need a longer exposure than the 50mm f1.4 at f4 on the same body. Don't quite understand that.

I am getting a better understanding of the median stacking process, aligning the stars is the biggest problem. Will describe it more fully in another post. I am devising a workaround, the issue is alignment of the 'rotating' stars coupled with interference from passing clouds and some other factor which is messing the Ps Auto Align up.


Just playing the devils advocate.....why such long exposures?
If you under expose the image you can always boost highlights ie. white dots in PS, without influencing the dark sky.

It may not be the proper way to do it but frankly they will never be more than white dots so burning them out won't lose detail that's not visible anyway!

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