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Posted by Eric: Wed Dec 19th, 2018 06:16 501st Post
jk wrote:
Eric,
Can you detail what you did to those two images.

Snapseed has two methods of changing detail .....sharpness and structure. Sharpness is a simple unsharpmask at set intensity....you just change degree of application.

I am not sure exactly how structure works but it seems to work preferentially on the less dominant parts of an image. In other words it's less effective on the main subject.

You cannot mask the subject in Snapseed but you can put selected control points around the subject then reduce the area of influence (finger and thumb squeeze) and apply the selected tool. It's like Nikon NX control points.

You just have to do enough control points and with enough spread to cover the background.


So start with Selective menu option....

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Posted by Eric: Wed Dec 19th, 2018 06:17 502nd Post
Then add a control point....

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Posted by Eric: Wed Dec 19th, 2018 06:18 503rd Post
Adjust the area of influence taking into account the default feathering

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Posted by Eric: Wed Dec 19th, 2018 06:19 504th Post
Make sure it's on S for structure not S for Saturation :banghead:

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Posted by Eric: Wed Dec 19th, 2018 06:24 505th Post
Whack the Structure slider DOWN to reduce the sharpness

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Posted by Eric: Wed Dec 19th, 2018 06:27 506th Post
Then add more points to cover the whole area in turn....

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Posted by Eric: Wed Dec 19th, 2018 06:38 507th Post
The completed image can then be sharpened without reversing the destructureing.

Oh ...the extra tail was removed with the healing tool BEFORE applying the selective destructuring in that area to remove any healing artefacts.

I stress this is a simplistic method....it's a free app for heavens sake!

But for the purpose of showing images on the forum it's adequate, simple to use and quick ....providing you are use to using an iPad.;-)



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Posted by blackfox: Wed Dec 19th, 2018 06:41 508th Post
now that does sound interesting . more money LOL



Posted by Eric: Wed Dec 19th, 2018 07:02 509th Post
blackfox wrote:
now that does sound interesting . more money LOL
I know Robert is anti iPad....regarding them as Mickey Mouse lightweight etc etc. To a large extent he was right in their early iterations. Their progress has been controlled = limited by Apples desire to keep hold of the reins as to what you are allowed to do on them.

But that is changing.

Professional designers are using these hand held devices much more and are forcing Apple to add more power, more functionality.

The iPads may still be at the development stage that the D1X was at, compared to film, back in the day. Look how DSLRS have advanced beyond the D1X in a few years.o.O

So I am convinced that tablet computing will become the norm for photo editing and design in the Next few years.

Technology is moving at an astounding pace in the Far East. My friends new Huawei phone not only has 3 focal length lens, 45mp sensor, it KNOWS what time of day and where in the world you are so takes into account local conditions eg night time photography without metering, and even can be set to exclude unwanted items in the frame at the time of taking the photo ( eg moving people!)

He is a top level software engineer (satellite, telecom fields) and even HE is staggered at what's coming out of the Far East. So much so, he's going to move India in 2019 ....mind you the Brexit aftermath shockwaves are also a motivator. :doh:



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Posted by jk: Wed Dec 19th, 2018 07:04 510th Post
Robert wrote: I can't equate using an iPad to edit large resolution photographs as being lazy, crude or imprecise!

It must take the patience of Jobe to manipulate and edit, even to just crop, let alone anything more adventurous on an iPad.

I find dual 28 inch screens and my MacPro, barely adequate at times.

This is my workstation where I spend much of my day if not engaged in other activities like working at my lathe or welding up some contraption or other.

Please excuse the dust! Recent building works are still lingering...

iPhone photo.
Glad that someone else has a desk that is as 'busy' as mine.



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Posted by Eric: Wed Dec 19th, 2018 07:05 511th Post
jk wrote:
Robert wrote: I can't equate using an iPad to edit large resolution photographs as being lazy, crude or imprecise!

It must take the patience of Jobe to manipulate and edit, even to just crop, let alone anything more adventurous on an iPad.

I find dual 28 inch screens and my MacPro, barely adequate at times.

This is my workstation where I spend much of my day if not engaged in other activities like working at my lathe or welding up some contraption or other.

Please excuse the dust! Recent building works are still lingering...

iPhone photo.
Glad that someone else has a desk that is as 'busy' as mine.

Dinosaurs the lot of you....🦖 🦖🦖🦖

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Posted by jk: Wed Dec 19th, 2018 07:08 512th Post
Eric wrote: blackfox wrote:
now that does sound interesting . more money LOL
I know Robert is anti iPad....regarding them as Mickey Mouse lightweight etc etc. To a large extent he was right in their early iterations. Their progress has been controlled = limited by Apples desire to keep hold of the reins as to what you are allowed to do on them.

But that is changing.

Professional designers are using these hand held devices much more and are forcing Apple to add more power, more functionality.

The iPads may still be at the development stage that the D1X was at, compared to film, back in the day. Look how DSLRS have advanced beyond the D1X in a few years.o.O

So I am convinced that tablet computing will become the norm for photo editing and design in the Next few years.

Technology is moving at an astounding pace in the Far East. My friends new Huawei phone not only has 3 focal length lens, 45mp sensor, it KNOWS what time of day and where in the world you are so takes into account local conditions eg night time photography without metering, and even can be set to exclude unwanted items in the frame at the time of taking the photo ( eg moving people!)

He is a top level software engineer (satellite, telecom fields) and even HE is staggered at what's coming out of the Far East. So much so, he's going to move India in 2019 ....mind you the Brexit aftermath shockwaves are also a motivator. :doh: Thanks for the screenshots of the process.

I have an Ipad Pro (9.4") with pencil and 128GB RAM.  I intend to see what the new Adobe Photoshop for iPad looks like and whether it is subscription or purchase.Of course there is now a second generation iPad Pro now as well.

I will go and take a look at Snapseed again.



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Posted by Robert: Wed Dec 19th, 2018 07:29 513th Post
Eric wrote:
jk wrote:
Robert wrote: I can't equate using an iPad to edit large resolution photographs as being lazy, crude or imprecise!

It must take the patience of Jobe to manipulate and edit, even to just crop, let alone anything more adventurous on an iPad.

Glad that someone else has a desk that is as 'busy' as mine.

Dinosaurs the lot of you....🦖 🦖🦖🦖

:lol:

I'm one HAPPY Dinosaur!

:lol:

I just finished tiling the inner porch and fitted a storm porch roof to the outside wall above the front door, with imitation fibreglass green slate top skin.

Cluttered dumping ground more like, I've simply been too tired to put stuff away and have reverted to 'bubble sort' to be able to find things... Least used at the bottom.

Another pic of the bench... Note the iPad's location... (if you can find it?) o.O

Edit Spelling, not tilling... Don't do that, not any more.

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Posted by blackfox: Wed Dec 19th, 2018 07:55 514th Post
nothing has changed since we last met then rob :lol:



Posted by Eric: Wed Dec 19th, 2018 08:29 515th Post
blackfox wrote:
nothing has changed since we last met then rob :lol:
Well the iPad certainly hasn't moved. :lol::lol:



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Posted by blackfox: Wed Dec 19th, 2018 08:53 516th Post
having a play this morning with my current 200mm vivitar f3.5 M/F lens on my local gulls , got them trained now as soon as I cross the road to the green there's about a 100 over my head :whip: anyway took a few shots and I realised I had the in camera picture settings set up wrong . i.e coming out to dark and noisy , so I altered a couple of settings and tried again the next set ones with the lighter sky are far better . at least I now know that b.i.f can be done with M/F so now waiting on the 400mm to arrive sat or mon hopefully

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Posted by blackfox: Wed Dec 19th, 2018 08:58 517th Post
another dark one
up there by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by blackfox: Wed Dec 19th, 2018 09:00 518th Post
ah well even Flickr has gone tits up now suffice to say I'm happy with the results a good percentage of in focus keepers



Posted by Eric: Wed Dec 19th, 2018 09:35 519th Post


I have an Ipad Pro (9.4") with pencil and 128GB RAM.  I intend to see what the new Adobe Photoshop for iPad looks like and whether it is subscription or purchase.Of course there is now a second generation iPad Pro now as well.

I will go and take a look at Snapseed again.

Yes it's the second generation iPad I was referring to.

Snapseed is a remarkable well stocked app for many basic functions. I like it's HDR module. Simple enough for me to use. :lol:

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Posted by jk: Wed Dec 19th, 2018 10:58 520th Post
Nice work Eric.
Is that the Snapseed or Snapseed Pro?



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Posted by Eric: Wed Dec 19th, 2018 11:35 521st Post
jk wrote:
Nice work Eric.
Is that the Snapseed or Snapseed Pro?

Snapseed free with iPad.:thumbs:



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Posted by Robert: Wed Dec 19th, 2018 11:45 522nd Post
blackfox wrote:
nothing has changed since we last met then rob :lol:
Well, I do have a beard now...

Otherwise, I probably just got dafter Jeff! LOL



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Posted by blackfox: Wed Dec 19th, 2018 14:31 523rd Post
and im still a suave , handsome , wealthy accomplished liar :lol:



Posted by Eric: Wed Dec 19th, 2018 14:32 524th Post
Robert wrote:
blackfox wrote:
nothing has changed since we last met then rob :lol:
Well, I do have a beard now...

Otherwise, I probably just got dafter Jeff! LOL

You need to up date your avatar Robert so we can recognise you with your whiskers. ;-)



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Posted by Robert: Wed Dec 19th, 2018 15:29 525th Post
Good point Eric, about the only pic I have is that one of me covered in white roughcast, although Christopher has been trying to catch me unawares, frequently succeeding but not ideal photographs for an avatar...



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Posted by jk: Wed Dec 19th, 2018 15:36 526th Post
Why not. It is only a picture Robert.
All my avatars have been pictures that Judith Whitelaw took of me when I was caught unawares!
Maybe we need her to do one of you. She could do that then com down to Cornwall and do a new one for me!
:rudi:

:handbag:



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Posted by Robert: Wed Dec 19th, 2018 16:30 527th Post
Not sure if I have already posted this one but here goes.

I can't find the ones Christopher took recently, I will have another look but I think I consigned them all to the bin...

Off to town tomorrow so will try to get Christopher to take one or two.

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Posted by Robert: Wed Dec 19th, 2018 16:44 528th Post
Mmmm I found them, this is least worse, look like I had finger in light socket!

Think we are getting a bit OT :offtopic2:

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Posted by Robert: Wed Dec 19th, 2018 17:37 529th Post
Back on topic with the D3 and my 300 f/2.8 AI MF lens

Starlings having a bath in a puddle outside my house, taken from my bedroom window, through the glass.

First two were at 1/4000 sec f4 ISO 400. Third one was same but only 1/250 sec Fairly heavy crops, morning sunlight. No noise reduction and no sharpening.







Not very exciting but the birds seem to enjoy it.



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Posted by Eric: Wed Dec 19th, 2018 17:59 530th Post
Robert wrote:
Mmmm I found them, this is least worse, look like I had finger in light socket!

Think we are getting a bit OT :offtopic2:

You look very distinguished there, Robert.:thumbs:



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Posted by blackfox: Wed Dec 19th, 2018 18:05 531st Post
Sure I've seen that face on a wanted poster ,or was it a Russian bride wanted Facebook group :whip::devil:



Posted by Robert: Thu Dec 20th, 2018 03:05 532nd Post
blackfox wrote:
Sure I've seen that face on a wanted poster ,or was it a Russian bride wanted Facebook group :whip::devil:
Like I said, least worst...

Need to find somebody to take a better one, or use an inanimate or a cartoon avatar, like my old 'Crazy Harry' one.



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Posted by Iain: Thu Dec 20th, 2018 10:37 533rd Post
A quick one from today taken with the panasonic I have in the for sale section.

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Fri Dec 21st, 2018 05:47 534th Post
Nice one Ian! Robert you look like PvZ at Ravenglass.



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sat Dec 22nd, 2018 06:15 535th Post
Woops!

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Posted by Eric: Sat Dec 22nd, 2018 09:28 536th Post
Graham Whistler wrote:
Woops!
Still feeding the birds with whisky soaked bread I see, Graham



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Posted by blackfox: Sat Dec 22nd, 2018 17:34 537th Post
well the Tokina arrived yesterday but I was out all day , so first tests sat morning on the green out front with the obligatory gulls quiet please so far considering its manual focus ;-)

heres looking at you by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by blackfox: Sat Dec 22nd, 2018 17:35 538th Post
and the next one
up and away by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by Graham Whistler: Sat Dec 22nd, 2018 19:03 539th Post
Looks good and sharp to me, well taken.Exposure could have been cut a bit as highlights are blown but you caught the action.



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Posted by Robert: Sun Dec 23rd, 2018 03:40 540th Post
Eric wrote:
Graham Whistler wrote:
Woops!
Still feeding the birds with whisky soaked bread I see, Graham

:lol::lol::lol:



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Posted by Robert: Sun Dec 23rd, 2018 03:52 541st Post
blackfox wrote:
well the Tokina arrived yesterday but I was out all day , so first tests sat morning on the green out front with the obligatory gulls quiet please so far considering its manual focus ;-)

What did I tell you?

The percentage of really sharp images may go down but the satisfaction factor when you really nail one will be sky high!



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sun Dec 23rd, 2018 05:40 542nd Post
Family friend Bob Entwistle who lives very near Mount Kenya sent me this image and I do not think he will mind me sharing this with you all:

Nubian Woodpecker taken with Bob's Nikon D300 with 18-200mm AF-S lens at 200mm 1/320 f9 ISO200.

Bob came on our recent Spanish trip with us and was with me when I shot the Vulture Pixs. He told me that he often has Elephants and over 100 varieties of local birds in his garden.

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Posted by Robert: Sun Dec 23rd, 2018 07:22 543rd Post
Gorgeous picture Graham.

I'm not troubled by Elephants in my garden, a nice old lady called on me last year and sold me some sparkling white powder, which she assured me if I sprinkled it around my garden she guaranteed I would never be bothered by Elephants. So far she seems to have been right, not a single Elephant!

A few Buffoons but no Elephants. o.O



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Posted by blackfox: Sun Dec 23rd, 2018 07:39 544th Post
That's a stunning photo graham , I would have loved to have taken up this hobby when I was younger and fitter and combined it with trips to Africa etc , but old Father Time and lack of funds puts the kybosh on that one . Mind you saying that I do get lots of exotic goldfinches in the garden :merrychristmas:



Posted by blackfox: Sun Dec 23rd, 2018 07:43 545th Post
Yep it's looking good rob , and both camera and lens will come into there own once a bit of decent weather returns . Been hoping for cold weather ,clear skies and a touch of snow . Can't even see across the estuary today



Posted by Eric: Sun Dec 23rd, 2018 07:51 546th Post
Robert wrote:
Gorgeous picture Graham.

I'm not troubled by Elephants in my garden, a nice old lady called on me last year and sold me some sparkling white powder, which she assured me if I sprinkled it around my garden she guaranteed I would never be bothered by Elephants. So far she seems to have been right, not a single Elephant!


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: Still laughing:lol::lol:



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Posted by Eric: Sun Dec 23rd, 2018 07:58 547th Post
It was (thankfully!) an old English tradition that small boys went out on the 26th December to 'hunt the wren'. 8-)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wren_Day


Well the poor little wren seems to be recovering from the abuse of primitive man or is bravely thumbing its nose at human atrocities.

This one was so close outside my window I had to stand on the sideboard at the far side of the room to use the 500mm. Then the wife suggested I switched to the 300mm for the 'sake of the furniture'. :doh:

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Posted by Eric: Sun Dec 23rd, 2018 07:59 548th Post
Well it could be greenfly as well...

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Posted by Eric: Sun Dec 23rd, 2018 08:03 549th Post
Using noise reduction (shot at 4000iso) May loose the noise but also the ambience of the rain.... full frame unadjusted shot.....

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sun Dec 23rd, 2018 09:41 550th Post
I like the Wren pixs Eric. Here is another Nubian Kingfisher pix from Kenya

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Posted by blackfox: Mon Dec 24th, 2018 10:58 551st Post
a hour down seashore today over high tide and I'm really starting to wonder a D300s ( app.10 years old) and a Tokina 400mm f5.6 M/F ( about 20 + years old) handheld and its turning out shots like this .
how far have we really come ,and are we just fools to believe in the improvements they tell us about.
yes a A/F lens would have given a higher percentage of keepers (allegedly) but at what cost

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Posted by jk: Mon Dec 24th, 2018 11:37 552nd Post
Graham Whistler wrote:
Family friend Bob Entwistle who lives very near Mount Kenya sent me this image and I do not think he will mind me sharing this with you all:

Nubian Woodpecker taken with Bob's Nikon D300 with 18-200mm AF-S lens at 200mm 1/320 f9 ISO200.

Bob came on our recent Spanish trip with us and was with me when I shot the Vulture Pixs. He told me that he often has Elephants and over 100 varieties of local birds in his garden.

Lovely shot Graham.

The two Nubian kingfishers shot is nice as well.



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Posted by Robert: Mon Dec 24th, 2018 11:38 553rd Post
Jeff, you missed the vital ingredient, YOU, your experience and fieldcraft are a major factor. Thrust that camera and lens into another photographers hands and you may well not see the same results.

I can relate numerous examples of skilled hands making an apparently poor tool turn out gems of craftsmanship and musicians who can make beautiful music with a makeshift instrument.

That said, the tool still needs to be sharp.



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Posted by jk: Mon Dec 24th, 2018 11:40 554th Post
Eric wrote:
Well it could be greenfly as well...
Good shot. You can see the wings of the aphid.



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Posted by Eric: Mon Dec 24th, 2018 12:46 555th Post
Robert wrote:
Jeff, you missed the vital ingredient, YOU, your experience and fieldcraft are a major factor. Thrust that camera and lens into another photographers hands and you may well not see the same results.

I can relate numerous examples of skilled hands making an apparently poor tool turn out gems of craftsmanship and musicians who can make beautiful music with a makeshift instrument.

That said, the tool still needs to be sharp.

I say a resounding Aye to that!!

I had this great idea today, back the car away from the bird feeding area in the garden. Climb in the back, lower the (darkened) window enough to point the lens out of, wrap up in dark colours and baraclava. I looked like a bank robber waiting for the getaway driver to arrive.

Discovered the 500mm was too long....went in house to get 300mm. Sat for 20min taking shots of branches at different ISOs waiting for the birds. Went back into the house to get fresh battery.:doh: Sat for another 20 mins. Threw some more food out on the lawn. Sat for another 20mins. Nothing. Went back in the house for lunch. I had barely bit into my sandwich....birds everywhere. :whip:



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Posted by blackfox: Mon Dec 24th, 2018 14:26 556th Post
why wrap up in camo gear , if your in the car they take no notice of you . whatever you're wearing . I have a spot where this will be applied shortly as I now have a lifting rear window . normally got to hang out of the drivers door but movement more than anything spooks them ..do this again it will work



Posted by blackfox: Mon Dec 24th, 2018 14:28 557th Post
this one was taken today hanging out the drivers door d300s and Tokina 400 f.5.6 M/F

well why not by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by blackfox: Mon Dec 24th, 2018 14:32 558th Post
and again out of the window today , pulled up on a roundabout on the ind. estate and shot out of the window

christmas dinner by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by Eric: Mon Dec 24th, 2018 15:16 559th Post
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why wrap up in camo gear , if your in the car they take no notice of you . whatever you're wearing .
Not camouflage......I was cold with the window down. :lol:



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Posted by jk: Tue Dec 25th, 2018 14:02 560th Post
blackfox wrote:
why wrap up in camo gear , if your in the car they take no notice of you . whatever you're wearing .
In Spain when I go bird watching it is best to go in the car . As long as you keep the engine running the birds are happy. Herons always seem to be jittery though.



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Posted by blackfox: Tue Dec 25th, 2018 16:35 561st Post
I find if you leave the engine running it imparts shake to the pics , mind you I have got a 2.0 litre diesel , I just switch off and wait scatter a bit of food it always works



Posted by Graham Whistler: Wed Dec 26th, 2018 06:56 562nd Post
These chaps keep eating all bird food and scaring off a super Charm of Goldfinches this morning.

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Wed Dec 26th, 2018 06:58 563rd Post
GS Woodpecker in garden this morning. D850 500mm lens ISO2500 1/250 F9 this is about 1/3 of full frame. Sorry about on a feeder best shot I could get.

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Posted by Eric: Thu Dec 27th, 2018 19:24 564th Post
Wren through double glazing, curtain reflection fogging, rain and 5000iso..... and far too much necessary de-noising.:banghead:

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Posted by jk: Fri Dec 28th, 2018 04:56 565th Post
Not at all shabby Eric. I think you worry too much about it. Fine image of little jenny!



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Posted by blackfox: Fri Dec 28th, 2018 05:07 566th Post
A good shot given the obvious and written problems , but as with everything in wildlife photography we sometimes get the image but forget the fact that in reality we should never have taken it ...
This is one of the reasons that most wildlife'rs need large bursts and large buffers in the hope that at least one comes out o.k . If I have time later I will try to clean that image up a bit for you Eric



Posted by Graham Whistler: Fri Dec 28th, 2018 05:43 567th Post
Super pix Eric with not bad at all through a window!
Noise is a fact of life even with these new DSLRs but I find up to 3200 ISO can be delt with quite well in Photoshop CC. For best results you need to work on the NEF file as shot and needless to say best results only if you get a correct camera exposure in first place. My woodpecker shot above had good exposure but noise reduction on NEF file in PS.



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Posted by Eric: Fri Dec 28th, 2018 07:17 568th Post
jk wrote:
Not at all shabby Eric. I think you worry too much about it. Fine image of little jenny!
Thanks. You notice I am concentrating of the smallest birds in the vain hope when I go for bigger ones, it might be easier? :lol:



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Posted by Eric: Fri Dec 28th, 2018 07:20 569th Post
Graham Whistler wrote:
Super pix Eric with not bad at all through a window!
Noise is a fact of life even with these new DSLRs but I find up to 3200 ISO can be delt with quite well in Photoshop CC. For best results you need to work on the NEF file as shot and needless to say best results only if you get a correct camera exposure in first place. My woodpecker shot above had good exposure but noise reduction on NEF file in PS.

Thanks....at least I didn't process the one that had Christmas tree lights reflected around the birds head. :lol::lol:



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Posted by jk: Fri Dec 28th, 2018 15:42 570th Post
Eric wrote:
jk wrote:
Not at all shabby Eric. I think you worry too much about it. Fine image of little jenny!
Thanks. You notice I am concentrating of the smallest birds in the vain hope when I go for bigger ones, it might be easier? :lol:

Focus is easier but noise issues remain the same.



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Posted by blackfox: Fri Dec 28th, 2018 16:38 571st Post
just had a quick play with your download Eric , if ii had the original theres a lot more could be done with it , but I think your not doing your best out of the files looking at this
erics wren by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by jk: Fri Dec 28th, 2018 16:53 572nd Post
That version looks sharpen (more contrasty).
That is a perception rather than a reality!



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Posted by Iain: Tue Jan 1st, 2019 08:54 573rd Post
One from a few hours out this morning.

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Posted by Eric: Tue Jan 1st, 2019 14:19 574th Post
Iain wrote:
One from a few hours out this morning.
Luvly.:applause:

Willow?



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Posted by Iain: Tue Jan 1st, 2019 14:30 575th Post
Yes it's a Willow tit we have a good showing at a few sites up here.



Posted by Eric: Tue Jan 1st, 2019 15:34 576th Post
300mm on D500

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Posted by Iain: Tue Jan 1st, 2019 16:12 577th Post
What iso was that at Eric?



Posted by Eric: Tue Jan 1st, 2019 17:23 578th Post
Iain wrote:
What iso was that at Eric?
3000....but have been experimenting with Affinity Photo NR etc

Edit 3600iso



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Posted by Eric: Tue Jan 1st, 2019 17:25 579th Post
Which one do you prefer, lads?

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Posted by Eric: Tue Jan 1st, 2019 17:25 580th Post
0r this one...

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Posted by Eric: Tue Jan 1st, 2019 17:27 581st Post
Or this one....

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Posted by Eric: Tue Jan 1st, 2019 17:28 582nd Post
All 3 shot at around 1500-2000 and mucked about with in Affinity.

Have to say they don't look as sharp as the preposting files.:needsahug:



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Posted by Eric: Tue Jan 1st, 2019 17:47 583rd Post
Another from same time as egret.....

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Tue Jan 1st, 2019 17:51 584th Post
Well done Eric some very good pixs there! I'm after Kingfishers in the morning.



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Posted by Eric: Tue Jan 1st, 2019 18:24 585th Post
Graham Whistler wrote:
Well done Eric some very good pixs there! I'm after Kingfishers in the morning.
Good fortune:thumbs:



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Posted by Eric: Tue Jan 1st, 2019 19:17 586th Post
Ok one last one before bed.

Thank to Jonathan I rechecked my method of importing raw files into Affinity and managed to get it to work.....


Full frame image on 300mm....so losing some dof and probably a bit of excitement wobble as he/she was getting so close.

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Posted by Eric: Wed Jan 2nd, 2019 07:04 587th Post
Another one of the egret's hunting prowess....

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Posted by Iain: Wed Jan 2nd, 2019 08:10 588th Post
I'd go for this one.



Posted by Iain: Wed Jan 2nd, 2019 08:11 589th Post
The software on the forum doesn't do the pic's any favours.



Posted by Robert: Wed Jan 2nd, 2019 08:32 590th Post
That's why I started my Flicker account.



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Posted by blackfox: Wed Jan 2nd, 2019 09:21 591st Post
thats super Eric , looks like you might have cracked it .well done



Posted by Eric: Wed Jan 2nd, 2019 09:37 592nd Post
Robert wrote:
That's why I started my Flicker account.
I would be interested if Iain, Jeff and Graham use links to external storage as opposed to imbedding in the forum?


I've been wondering if my method of downsampling for the forum has been a bit too brutal?

Will have a few tests.

But I am a bit anti storing my photos on the net willynilly. If the penalty for more security is poorer quality postings on this forum, so be it. But it would be nice to show images closer to their actual IQ.



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Posted by blackfox: Wed Jan 2nd, 2019 10:01 593rd Post
I would estimate that 99% of my pics on here are hosted via Flickr , Eric it's a time tested safe hosting platform . O.k these days if your in to mega storage on there you have to pay , but a free account is up to 1000 images and it's one of the best display platforms I have found especially if your up loading high res images.

Plus a forum will always display at a restricted size due to its own limitations even from Flickr .. but you then only have to click on the pic to take you to the full size image on there , which if you want will include your ex if data



Posted by Robert: Wed Jan 2nd, 2019 11:20 594th Post
I have a feeling all my images on Flicker are already cropped to 1024 max side, because, at the time iirc, you had to pay on Flicker if you had more than a certain level of data, (Gb) stored, so I opted to post smaller images. Also I tried to post smaller images at a time when 1024 was quite large for a screen.

The other bonus with storing the images off the forum is you can post more than one image per post which I thought from day one of this forum software was a poor choice, I vaguely remember Steve was going to fix that, it never happened after he took huff about something, I never did know what.

With Lightroom you can simply drag an image to a folder and hit 'publish' and that will place the image directly in your account. Posting it FROM Flicker into a forum is a bit more complex, involving going through about four layers of pages to get to the posting code, but it's not that hard once you get the hang of it.

I am going to have to prune some of my images because I am closing in on the 1,000 limit, I can't justify paying to host. I could get a website hosted for what Flicker are asking for 1,000 images. Methinks they are being greedy, there should have been a stepped rate for smaller users, OK, start at 1,000 but than another step at say 5,000 images for a bit more £. I think they are asking way too much.



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Posted by jk: Wed Jan 2nd, 2019 11:54 595th Post
I keep thinking it is time for us to do another migration to a better software but the biggest issue is finding a forum software that gives integrated forum and gallery as the customisations required are not great.

The last move was a lot of work for both Steve, and myself.
Like Robert I dont know why Steve suddenly decided not to help and more. I guess after selling his Goldwing forum he found better things to do.



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Posted by blackfox: Wed Jan 2nd, 2019 12:25 596th Post
I decided for the moment to go PRO on my Flickr account , based on a hopefull return to it becoming a community again , and although I looked I couldn't find a cheaper alternative .
Also over the years I have accumulated over 7000 images on there that have had in excess of 7 million views , , so I guess somewhere along the line I'm doing something right



Posted by Graham Whistler: Wed Jan 2nd, 2019 13:35 597th Post
Kingfisher shoot today in very dull weather but here is a sample more later: Nikon D850 with 500mm lens and x1.4 1/320 sec f8 ISO 2500.

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Posted by blackfox: Wed Jan 2nd, 2019 14:41 598th Post
Superbly detailed shot graham



Posted by Robert: Wed Jan 2nd, 2019 15:16 599th Post
The fish doesn't look too happy.



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Posted by jk: Wed Jan 2nd, 2019 15:30 600th Post
Nice catch Mr Kingfisher and Graham!



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Posted by jk: Wed Jan 2nd, 2019 15:31 601st Post
How close were you to the kingfisher?



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Posted by Eric: Wed Jan 2nd, 2019 16:19 602nd Post
Graham Whistler wrote:
Kingfisher shoot today in very dull weather but here is a sample more later: Nikon D850 with 500mm lens and x1.4 1/320 sec f8 ISO 2500.
Quite exquisite:bowing:

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Wed Jan 2nd, 2019 17:14 603rd Post
The hide was about 60 feet from the birds and these 850 images are using about 50% of the full frame. This shot similar to other ISO 2500 same very dull light.
A lady photographer shared the hide with me and also using a D850 but the all new 500mm f4 AF-S light weignt FL lens super bit of kit and much lighter than my older Nikon 500mm f4. Very similat controls to my new 500mm lens and Eric she also has a 300mm lens like yours. I have given her our dslr.net details and she has promised to join and post some of her images from todays shoot.

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Posted by Robert: Wed Jan 2nd, 2019 17:40 604th Post
Really good images Graham, and Eric's Egret, lovely.

I really wish I could join in but one has to be realistic, without the gear I would be wasting my time. You need a good, long fast lens and some knowledge of the subject.



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Posted by Eric: Thu Jan 3rd, 2019 05:04 605th Post
Lovely capture Graham but I think I prefer the first image. Partly the fish contribution but also the crop size.

I've just looked back at my recent egret and wader images and now feel I've made the birds too large in the frame. It's made me wonder about something Mike said to me that his best images are 1/3 bird 2/3 habitat.
Maybe a bit of post rationalisation on his part, not having the tele reach we have, but I do feel there is some truth in the relative framing.

It's a bit like these big tvs.....if the close up shots of peoples faces are bigger than real life when sitting in normal viewing position, they take on a more invasive aggressive feel.

Not saying your kingfisher is aggressive 😆


Would be interested in views about bird size v habitat contribution to framing.



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Posted by jk: Thu Jan 3rd, 2019 05:26 606th Post
Interesting thought Eric.

Doing underwater photography is similar to bird photography except you have the added limitation of needing to manage your air and buoyancy. Initially I wanted to fill the frame with the subject either in the initial shot or by cropping. Eventually I decidedthis response resulted in a 'stamp collection' style of photography. Now I look for the fish to be against a good background with good lighting. This tends to result in a 1/3 ratio of subject/background.



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Posted by Eric: Thu Jan 3rd, 2019 06:02 607th Post
jk wrote:
Interesting thought Eric.

Doing underwater photography is similar to bird photography except you have the added limitation of needing to manage your air and buoyancy. Initially I wanted to fill the frame with the subject either in the initial shot or by cropping. Eventually I decidedthis response resulted in a 'stamp collection' style of photography. Now I look for the fish to be against a good background with good lighting. This tends to result in a 1/3 ratio of subject/background.

We were given a 55" tv just before Christmas by a friend (long story). I've resisted going that big because when the newscasters come on, their heads were normal size (as if they were sitting across the room from me) so I didn't pay much attention to them. But now they are bigger, I feel compelled to listen to them despite the rubbish they are reporting. It's weird.

AND.... all the poor make up, sagging skin, wrinkles and pimples are so much more evident. I can even see NOISE on the images :lol::lol:

Mary Nightingale (as it's a bird topic) has a turkey neck hanging down and my wife's ski jumping toy boy hero's have all got acne and freckles. It destroys our fantasies. :lol:

I think there's a lot to be said for being small and unobtrusive. :lol:

But seriously I am going to give my subjects a bit more air. Maybe backing off the cropping won't mean as much noise reduction.o.O



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Posted by blackfox: Thu Jan 3rd, 2019 06:22 608th Post
The only thing I find wrong with Graham's shot above the central composition perhaps move it to the left a bit , I was always told to leave the birds /subjects room to look into

edit on this my reply above was actually to robs now reposted image below . :whip::whip::whip:



Posted by Robert: Thu Jan 3rd, 2019 06:26 609th Post
I posted a reply about the previous Kingfisher photo, but during editing I thought I had double posted ti but in correcting that I seem to have deleted it, I can't seem to reinstate it so I am calling it quits, I don't have the energy to retype it all even if I could remember what I said.

I do remember that I thought the fish became the subject rather than the bird, and that the moss on the perch was for me too sharp and became a visual distraction.

I did repost Grahams Kingfisher to save flipping back and forth to view it during the discussion.

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Posted by blackfox: Thu Jan 3rd, 2019 07:18 610th Post
here's one of my shots just before xmas , a song thrush on the berries , taken with my Panasonic g80 and Leica 100-400 and a download using Flickr as the host .
50 shades of brown by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by Robert: Thu Jan 3rd, 2019 08:12 611th Post
blackfox wrote:
The only thing I find wrong with Graham's shot above the central composition perhaps move it to the left a bit , I was always told to leave the birds /subjects room to look into

edit on this my reply above was actually to robs now reposted image below . :whip::whip::whip:
Sorry about that Jeff, I got in a right muddle.

I frequently type posts then forget to click the 'Post Reply' button, but sometimes I am doing it twice and double posting, I thought I had double posted, so deleted, but I hadn't, so I lost the whole post and couldn't find it again in history to extract it, and re-post. The brain must be in meltdown. o.O

Your bird above with the red berry is lovely, like you say, give it some space to fly into. I try to do that with cars and bikes racing, leave plenty space in front. Unless you are creating an identification portfolio they need a bit of room to spread their wings.



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Posted by jk: Thu Jan 3rd, 2019 08:29 612th Post
Eric wrote:
jk wrote:
Interesting thought Eric.

Doing underwater photography is similar to bird photography except you have the added limitation of needing to manage your air and buoyancy. Initially I wanted to fill the frame with the subject either in the initial shot or by cropping. Eventually I decidedthis response resulted in a 'stamp collection' style of photography. Now I look for the fish to be against a good background with good lighting. This tends to result in a 1/3 ratio of subject/background.

We were given a 55" tv just before Christmas by a friend (long story). I've resisted going that big because when the newscasters come on, their heads were normal size (as if they were sitting across the room from me) so I didn't pay much attention to them. But now they are bigger, I feel compelled to listen to them despite the rubbish they are reporting. It's weird.

AND.... all the poor make up, sagging skin, wrinkles and pimples are so much more evident. I can even see NOISE on the images :lol::lol:

Mary Nightingale (as it's a bird topic) has a turkey neck hanging down and my wife's ski jumping toy boy hero's have all got acne and freckles. It destroys our fantasies. :lol:

I think there's a lot to be said for being small and unobtrusive. :lol:

But seriously I am going to give my subjects a bit more air. Maybe backing off the cropping won't mean as much noise reduction.o.O

I have 42" screen in Spain and a 38" here in UK in a smaller room.
I find that more than enough. I cant see the need or desire for massive screens. To each his/her own!



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Posted by blackfox: Thu Jan 3rd, 2019 09:11 613th Post
just seen a sigma 150-600 C for £524 ex cat return looks as new , very tempted



Posted by Graham Whistler: Thu Jan 3rd, 2019 10:16 614th Post
Less crop with this one?

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Thu Jan 3rd, 2019 10:17 615th Post
This is what he did under water!

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Posted by blackfox: Thu Jan 3rd, 2019 10:19 616th Post
total stunner graham :bowing::bowing:



Posted by blackfox: Thu Jan 3rd, 2019 10:20 617th Post
and now your taking the proverbial
:no::no::no::no:

:bowing::bowing::bowing:



Posted by Robert: Thu Jan 3rd, 2019 10:27 618th Post
614 is lovely, the fishes expression isn't visible... and lot's more room.

615 is amazing. But it's a technical set up and I suspect a LOT of misses, unless it's a video camera?

The little fish seem to be cowering, can't blame them!



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Thu Jan 3rd, 2019 10:38 619th Post
D850 normal pix as the others. I did shoot a video with the D850 with the same setup looks good but can not post it here.



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Posted by Robert: Thu Jan 3rd, 2019 10:47 620th Post
Graham Whistler wrote:
D850 normal pix as the others.
What, post 615? Did you use an underwater housing?



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Thu Jan 3rd, 2019 11:33 621st Post
No I just told the camera to breath deeply and hold it's breath. No underwater kit required.Same lens used was as for all the pixs so you tell me how it was done? The Kingfisher catches the fish in just over a second fom departing the perch and ariving back to eat it's catch.



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Posted by jk: Thu Jan 3rd, 2019 11:38 622nd Post
It is using an aquarium on a bird table just above water level or on the bank?

The photographer is in the hide so can see the branch and the aquarium with the same lens and just has to focus on the fish in the aquarium and wait.



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Posted by Eric: Thu Jan 3rd, 2019 11:50 623rd Post
My favourite is the 614...lovely composition, perfect exposure and focus, fish looking other way (so as not to distract Robert lol). Excellent work.

Sorry, don't like 615. :hardhat::diggingahole:

Looks too contrived.

The light pond bed material makes it look like a fish tank and the bubbles obscure the birds 'face'.

I will leave the room now.



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Posted by Eric: Thu Jan 3rd, 2019 12:56 624th Post
jk wrote:
It is using an aquarium on a bird table just above water level or on the bank?

The photographer is in the hide so can see the branch and the aquarium with the same lens and just has to focus on the fish in the aquarium and wait.


I have often thought of building one of these in the garden...

https://www.naturettl.com/build-bird-reflection-pool/



.....but I need to dig out a big hole for the sunken hide. And I suspect if I dug out a big hole in my wife's garden she would fill it in while I was in there.:lol:



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Posted by Eric: Thu Jan 3rd, 2019 13:01 625th Post
jk wrote:
Eric wrote:
jk wrote:
Interesting thought Eric.

Doing underwater photography is similar to bird photography except you have the added limitation of needing to manage your air and buoyancy. Initially I wanted to fill the frame with the subject either in the initial shot or by cropping. Eventually I decidedthis response resulted in a 'stamp collection' style of photography. Now I look for the fish to be against a good background with good lighting. This tends to result in a 1/3 ratio of subject/background.

We were given a 55" tv just before Christmas by a friend (long story). I've resisted going that big because when the newscasters come on, their heads were normal size (as if they were sitting across the room from me) so I didn't pay much attention to them. But now they are bigger, I feel compelled to listen to them despite the rubbish they are reporting. It's weird.

AND.... all the poor make up, sagging skin, wrinkles and pimples are so much more evident. I can even see NOISE on the images :lol::lol:

Mary Nightingale (as it's a bird topic) has a turkey neck hanging down and my wife's ski jumping toy boy hero's have all got acne and freckles. It destroys our fantasies. :lol:

I think there's a lot to be said for being small and unobtrusive. :lol:

But seriously I am going to give my subjects a bit more air. Maybe backing off the cropping won't mean as much noise reduction.o.O

I have 42" screen in Spain and a 38" here in UK in a smaller room.
I find that more than enough. I cant see the need or desire for massive screens. To each his/her own!

It was FREE! :lol:



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Thu Jan 3rd, 2019 13:10 626th Post
JK is no fool!



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Posted by Iain: Fri Jan 4th, 2019 05:49 627th Post
In most cases I tend to try and keep some of the environment in the picture. Tight shots are good as a study.



Posted by Iain: Fri Jan 4th, 2019 05:52 628th Post
Robert wrote:
I posted a reply about the previous Kingfisher photo, but during editing I thought I had double posted ti but in correcting that I seem to have deleted it, I can't seem to reinstate it so I am calling it quits, I don't have the energy to retype it all even if I could remember what I said.

I do remember that I thought the fish became the subject rather than the bird, and that the moss on the perch was for me too sharp and became a visual distraction.

I did repost Grahams Kingfisher to save flipping back and forth to view it during the discussion.

Now I think this one is right, it tells the story of the Kingfisher on a branch by a pond/river where you find that type of branch and with a fish it's food.



Posted by Iain: Fri Jan 4th, 2019 05:54 629th Post
blackfox wrote:
just seen a sigma 150-600 C for £524 ex cat return looks as new , very tempted
Go for it Jeff, you know you want it. :lol::lol:



Posted by Iain: Fri Jan 4th, 2019 05:55 630th Post
Graham Whistler wrote:
This is what he did under water!
Great shot Graham.



Posted by blackfox: Fri Jan 4th, 2019 14:15 631st Post
took a chance today weather was diabollockel ,but wanting to test the sigma out I chanced it first off a normal shot cropped into a pano mode of a flock of lapwings , quite distant so well pleased

lapping it up by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by blackfox: Fri Jan 4th, 2019 14:22 632nd Post
and another from today tree top looking down in disdain a female ? merlin

d300s , sigma 150-600c handheld

merlin by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr

:thumbs:



Posted by Robert: Fri Jan 4th, 2019 14:29 633rd Post
Nothing wrong with that Jeff, very nice. Seems sharp enough?



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Posted by jk: Fri Jan 4th, 2019 14:35 634th Post
Rubbish weather does not help as the light levels and contrast is low. Just wait until you get some sun!

Posted results are certainly not at all shabby! :lol:



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Fri Jan 4th, 2019 15:14 635th Post
Well done Jeff two super pixs!



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Posted by blackfox: Fri Jan 4th, 2019 15:30 636th Post
I now have to mull over selling my Panasonic gear and going for a D500 plus bits my mate is selling



Posted by Eric: Fri Jan 4th, 2019 15:51 637th Post
One from Graham :thumbs:

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Posted by Iain: Fri Jan 4th, 2019 16:35 638th Post
Looks like a good copy Jeff.



Posted by blackfox: Fri Jan 4th, 2019 18:17 639th Post
Cheers Iain



Posted by blackfox: Fri Jan 4th, 2019 18:55 640th Post
another p.o.v of the merlin

thats wizard by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by Robert: Fri Jan 4th, 2019 19:26 641st Post
blackfox wrote:
another p.o.v of the merlin
I think this is a nicer pose, the plumages shows better.

I really envy you being able to get so close to birds I never see.

We have at least two established Badger sets within a mile and many more in the locality, apart from the occasional encounter I have never been able to even see them near their sets, let alone photograph them.

I realise Badgers aren't birds but they are still beautiful wildlife.

I was once driving along a country road near my home, very early one morning and saw two little animals leaping and doing acrobatics in the middle of the road, smaller than Squirrels, larger than Mice, perhaps Stoats? I just stopped in the middle of the road and watched them for a few minutes, they carried on as though I wasn't there, then suddenly they ran off into the grass. It was a beautiful display, about 20 feet away, I will always remember it.



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Posted by blackfox: Sat Jan 5th, 2019 03:42 642nd Post
Probably stoats ,Fox brown with a black tip to the tail , got thousands of pics of them , on my way to the reserve yesterday I thought a dog was running down the middle of the road , it turned out to be a very large hare , probably got it on dash cam LOL



Posted by Robert: Sat Jan 5th, 2019 04:16 643rd Post
There you go you see!

You have thousands of pix of Stoats, I have only ever seen those I mentioned, even living in pretty rural surroundings. I must be missing something. Perhaps I go to the wrong places or don't observe nature with the care it deserves.



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Posted by blackfox: Sat Jan 5th, 2019 05:08 644th Post
Look at my forum image rob , that one was blown up to poster size and used by springwatch in one of there series where they were office based , so every night the program came on it was right there on the screen in front of me .... I did e.mail the girl that had asked me for permission to use it and asked if it could be sent to me after the program .yes was the answer ,I'm still waiting



Posted by blackfox: Sat Jan 5th, 2019 05:49 645th Post
I know this is the birds section , but I'm sure no one will mind me posting this as rob started it . a mother stoat taking a rabbit back to the nest for her kittens to feed on . I had to run along a river bank for about half a mile shooting all the way what a day that was .later on the kits came out to play .if you look on flicks its had 5466 views to date .
the start of the run (EXPLORED) by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by Graham Whistler: Sat Jan 5th, 2019 06:03 646th Post
638 great Curlew thank you Eric hope you can find one for me later this month! V1 will be with you Monday. Dramatic Stoat pix almost too sharp!



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Posted by Robert: Sat Jan 5th, 2019 08:37 647th Post
blackfox wrote:
I know this is the birds section , but I'm sure no one will mind me posting this as rob started it . a mother stoat taking a rabbit back to the nest for her kittens to feed on . I had to run along a river bank for about half a mile shooting all the way what a day that was .later on the kits came out to play .if you look on flicks its had 5466 views to date .
Amazing Jeff, thanks for posting.

I think what I am trying to get at is that nature photographers, birds or mammals have an affinity with their subject, now which comes first, the affinity or the excellent photography I don't know.

I tend to be more drawn towards large large, heavy machines but I really enjoy and appreciate nature photographers work. I have spent most of the morning clambering over a scrap yard.



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Posted by Eric: Sat Jan 5th, 2019 09:00 648th Post
Robert wrote:
blackfox wrote:
I know this is the birds section , but I'm sure no one will mind me posting this as rob started it . a mother stoat taking a rabbit back to the nest for her kittens to feed on . I had to run along a river bank for about half a mile shooting all the way what a day that was .later on the kits came out to play .if you look on flicks its had 5466 views to date .
Amazing Jeff, thanks for posting.

I think what I am trying to get at is that nature photographers, birds or mammals have an affinity with their subject, now which comes first, the affinity or the excellent photography I don't know.

I tend to be more drawn towards large large, heavy machines but I really enjoy and appreciate nature photographers work. I have spent most of the morning clambering over a scrap yard.

My personal experience was being initially drawn to the outdoor to watch nature.....using biniculars and scopes. I didn't even own a camera back then! After getting involved with the RSPB in Norfolk in the early 70, I took up filming birds...mainly because I had more intimate knowledge and special access to key locations in the area. ie I was able to get closer than the general public.

I didn't get a still camera till 1975! Even then I stuck with movies for wildlife preferring to do black and white photography for everything else.

Fast forward through the professional years and its only now that I have rekindled my interest in bird watching....and apart from a few garden bird photos over the years the bird photos on this forum are the first I've ever taken.

I have to say it's harder than product, interior and architectural photography....the subjects move.:lol:

So in my case the affinity with the subject came first.



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Posted by blackfox: Sat Jan 5th, 2019 12:14 649th Post
my actual journey started a few years back ( 4mp was the top limit so go figure) I have always had good cameras through my life ranging from 35mm sir through to 2 and a quarter square mamiya c330 with a full set of lenses . own darkroom etc but apart from a brief few years doing studio work bringing up a family etc I never settled into a niche .
fast forward a few years to the birth of digital and the lad was a teen at the time I realised that this was fascinating and combined with interest from the lads at work I got my first digital camera it took digital pics had no memory card or screen so very hit and miss about 0.5mp if I remember , chopped and changed a few times and found a niche photographing coins and artefacts for the lads in the metal detecting club by this time having progressed to a 3mp spy type camera with 1 cm close focus .
then a holiday to Egypt and the chance of diving in the Red Sea saw me getting a underwater housing for a 4mp canon compact I had at the time . totally loved it but still no itch.... however I did take photos of some of the birds on the beach (feathered ) and when I posted one with the wrong name it got me investigating further that was it I was hooked ... little did I realise how specialised it was and how much I would spend over the years on a hobby :doh::doh::doh:



Posted by Eric: Sat Jan 5th, 2019 13:05 650th Post
blackfox wrote:
... little did I realise how specialised it was and how much I would spend over the years on a hobby :doh::doh::doh:
Ain't that the truth!

Met a lady some years ago with a Leica M6, her camera bag was bristling with thousands and thousands of pounds worth glass. In response to my “wow”, she said “ I know, I know I shouldn't, but I just love buying presents for my camera”



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Posted by blackfox: Sat Jan 5th, 2019 14:34 651st Post
back on track ,another shot from yesterday , dull conditions , 600mm..1/80th sec.. hand held think this lens is a keeper ...

steady on by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by Robert: Sat Jan 5th, 2019 16:51 652nd Post
That full frame Jeff?

If so no vignetting that I can see, and sharp enough, the bokeh isn't too distracting, easy enough to smooth out any distracting elements anyway.

The vignetting was the biggest issue I had with the various lenses I tried back in 2006-7 or thereabouts. The Nikkor 400, f/3.5 was a good lens and with the TC301 X2 converter was a good, fast 800, but keep coming back to it being not 'my subject' and my lack of real affinity with the birding world, better sticking to plants and flowers, I know where to find them and they don't fly away.



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Posted by blackfox: Sat Jan 5th, 2019 17:01 653rd Post
It's full width rob , with about a third off the top , . There is a bit of movement in the beak but I'm well pleased at that shutter speed Han£ held to , don't think even my Panasonic could beat that



Posted by Robert: Sat Jan 5th, 2019 17:28 654th Post
Well a Duck has to quack!

Yes it's a keeper.



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Posted by Iain: Sat Jan 5th, 2019 21:09 655th Post
blackfox wrote:
I know this is the birds section , but I'm sure no one will mind me posting this as rob started it . a mother stoat taking a rabbit back to the nest for her kittens to feed on . I had to run along a river bank for about half a mile shooting all the way what a day that was .later on the kits came out to play .if you look on flicks its had 5466 views to date .
the start of the run (EXPLORED) by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr

Like this one Jeff. My mate had a shot like this rejected from a wildlife competition for being to offence.



Posted by Iain: Sat Jan 5th, 2019 21:11 656th Post
blackfox wrote:
back on track ,another shot from yesterday , dull conditions , 600mm..1/80th sec.. hand held think this lens is a keeper ...

steady on by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr

I think your right. :thumbs:



Posted by Robert: Sun Jan 6th, 2019 03:42 657th Post
Iain wrote:
blackfox wrote:
I know this is the birds section , but I'm sure no one will mind me posting this as rob started it . a mother stoat taking a rabbit back to the nest for her kittens to feed on . I had to run along a river bank for about half a mile shooting all the way what a day that was .later on the kits came out to play .if you look on flicks its had 5466 views to date .
the start of the run (EXPLORED) by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr

Like this one Jeff. My mate had a shot like this rejected from a wildlife competition for being to offence.

But Grahams Kingfisher photo with the fish in it's beak might have been OK? That's nature?

Unless it's some sort of pacifist organisation then that's what you get with nature, they don't have table manners, they lead a life of survival by whatever means they have evolved to use, or die?



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Posted by Iain: Sun Jan 6th, 2019 12:49 658th Post
Robert wrote:


But Grahams Kingfisher photo with the fish in it's beak might have been OK? That's nature?

Unless it's some sort of pacifist organisation then that's what you get with nature, they don't have table manners, they lead a life of survival by whatever means they have evolved to use, or die?

Kingfisher with a fish was fine.



Posted by Robert: Sun Jan 6th, 2019 12:52 659th Post
Iain wrote:
Robert wrote:


But Grahams Kingfisher photo with the fish in it's beak might have been OK? That's nature?

Unless it's some sort of pacifist organisation then that's what you get with nature, they don't have table manners, they lead a life of survival by whatever means they have evolved to use, or die?

Kingfisher with a fish was fine.

There's no justice.



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Posted by blackfox: Sun Jan 6th, 2019 13:20 660th Post
one from today a blue tit in the reed bed . getting to like this rig
hanging on by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by blackfox: Sun Jan 6th, 2019 14:55 661st Post
another shot from today , appalling light iso800 at 1/125th sec hand held . says it all really

rock'n'robin by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by Eric: Sun Jan 6th, 2019 15:43 662nd Post
blackfox wrote:
one from today a blue tit in the reed bed . getting to like this rig
hanging on by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr

That's superbly sharp, Jeff. What were setting?



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Posted by blackfox: Sun Jan 6th, 2019 16:20 663rd Post
surprisingly Eric it was f6.3 or wide open, at 600mm, iso 800 at 1/160 sec hand held.
Nikon D300S and sigma 150-600 C

in a deep dark wood to with yet again no sun



Posted by Eric: Sun Jan 6th, 2019 16:31 664th Post
blackfox wrote:
surprisingly Eric it was f6.3 or wide open, at 600mm, iso 800 at 1/160 sec hand held.
Nikon D300S and sigma 150-600 C

in a deep dark wood to with yet again no sun

Stunning:bowing:



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sun Jan 6th, 2019 18:02 665th Post
Two good pixs chaps but Robin colour bal far too warm!Both very good sharpness.



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Posted by blackfox: Sun Jan 6th, 2019 18:14 666th Post
I always like to process them vibrantly graham , probably due to the lack of light in this part of wales in the winter months if done normally they would be dull,drab and dreary .just my style but it works for me



Posted by Eric: Sun Jan 6th, 2019 18:48 667th Post
Graham Whistler wrote:
Two good pixs chaps but Robin colour bal far too warm!Both very good sharpness.
Yes, Robin too hot for me as well but I know Jeff likely his birds bright.

Here's another curlew, to calm you down :lol:

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Posted by Robert: Sun Jan 6th, 2019 19:34 668th Post
Haven't (knowingly) seen a Curlew in years, I really like them. My trouble is I can look at something and not 'see' it. I seem to do it all the time, looking for something and eventually somebody points out it's right in front of me. o.O

Yes I feel the robin is a little 'dayglow' but it's bright enough, Jeff seems to like his subjects well saturated. I like things which are heavy! Eric likes quiet images... Each to their own. A little diversity is good.



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Posted by Eric: Mon Jan 7th, 2019 05:12 669th Post
Robert wrote:
Haven't (knowingly) seen a Curlew in years, I really like them. My trouble is I can look at something and not 'see' it. I seem to do it all the time, looking for something and eventually somebody points out it's right in front of me. o.O

Yes I feel the robin is a little 'dayglow' but it's bright enough, Jeff seems to like his subjects well saturated. I like things which are heavy! Eric likes quiet images... Each to their own. A little diversity is good.

I've even got some in black and white.:lol:

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Posted by blackfox: Mon Jan 7th, 2019 06:56 670th Post
another shot from yesterday ,long tailed tit looking the wrong way

long look away by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by blackfox: Mon Jan 7th, 2019 06:59 671st Post
distant buzzard from yesterday . according to exif data its 126mtrs away

guardian of the gateway by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by Iain: Mon Jan 7th, 2019 08:24 672nd Post
That combo is working well for you Jeff.



Posted by blackfox: Tue Jan 8th, 2019 06:43 673rd Post
oystercatcher on grass o.O

mudthumper by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by blackfox: Tue Jan 8th, 2019 12:29 674th Post
taken through a double glazed window this morning while laid on the settee adjusting the camera menu , I was wondering why it was so slow shooting , and it seems despite doing a re-set on the previous owners custom bank settings they were still being applied giving me a burst rate of 2.5 fps , now found a clear slot and got it humming along at 8 fps

through the looking glass by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by blackfox: Tue Jan 8th, 2019 14:04 675th Post
another robin , spot the non deliberate mistake grrrrrrrr

i want my toes back by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by Robert: Tue Jan 8th, 2019 15:29 676th Post
You forgot to double the red saturation? :lol:

That's the only thing I can think of, it seems to have a full complement of toes?



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Posted by blackfox: Tue Jan 8th, 2019 15:34 677th Post
Not on the right leg ,I clipped it , yep toned it down a bit to



Posted by Robert: Tue Jan 8th, 2019 15:50 678th Post
Ah, realise now... No matter, nice picture.



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Wed Jan 9th, 2019 07:31 679th Post
Jeff the Robin pix is very good that lens is giving you very good results. Just wish you would get colour balance right!



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Posted by jk: Wed Jan 9th, 2019 07:42 680th Post
blackfox wrote: another robin , spot the non deliberate mistake grrrrrrrr

i want my toes back by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr





OK a question.  Eric, Graham and Jeff.
Is it possible to make an Action that does this background cleanup?




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Posted by blackfox: Wed Jan 9th, 2019 07:43 681st Post
looks fine on my screen graham . I like impact in my images o.O



Posted by jk: Wed Jan 9th, 2019 08:21 682nd Post
Sorry not as good as Jeff's.
Spot the robin!

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Posted by Eric: Wed Jan 9th, 2019 08:33 683rd Post
jk wrote:
blackfox wrote: another robin , spot the non deliberate mistake grrrrrrrr

i want my toes back by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr





OK a question.  Eric, Graham and Jeff.


Is it possible to make an Action that does this background cleanup?



Yes, but you need to insert a pause to manually input your masking, as this will be unique to each image.



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Posted by jk: Wed Jan 9th, 2019 09:23 684th Post
Quick and dirty I know but compare the first image versus this image.

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Posted by jk: Wed Jan 9th, 2019 09:26 685th Post
Which is better?
Which is sharper?

First or second?



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Wed Jan 9th, 2019 12:57 686th Post
Bit better light this evening in Titchfield Haven.

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Posted by Robert: Wed Jan 9th, 2019 15:42 687th Post
jk wrote:
Which is better?
Which is sharper?

First or second?

Hard pressed to tell without zooming in, would have been easier had they been next to one another, one seems slightly warmer than the other, compared with the slides I am scanning at the moment, they are both very sharp.



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Posted by jk: Wed Jan 9th, 2019 17:15 688th Post
Those pair of images were from LR Classic CC and Capture One Pro v12.
My feeling is that the results are similar but I find it easier to use COP these days.



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Posted by jk: Wed Jan 9th, 2019 17:17 689th Post
Next tests will be my 400mm f2.8 AFS and 200-500 AFS VR on D850 and Z7. I will need to go to the gym.



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Thu Jan 10th, 2019 05:34 690th Post
This a moment later and light fading fast!Sorry bad marks Whistler, previous shot was over cooked in Photoshop and it shows!

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Posted by jk: Thu Jan 10th, 2019 07:19 691st Post
Hmmm, I liked the first image as the blue sky was reflected in the way.



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Posted by blackfox: Thu Jan 10th, 2019 10:40 692nd Post
first image Jonathon , second looked overcooked



Posted by blackfox: Thu Jan 10th, 2019 10:44 693rd Post
err Eric ,believe it or not that background is S.O.C no cloning or messing about at all , its the reeds over the other side of the pool .. hard to get but it is possible as this shows .

you need to move north we have perfect outdoor studios :lol:

but talking to the pool management today they have a work party going in tomorrow to cut the reeds back so , don't go to the estate agents yet :readthis:



Posted by Eric: Thu Jan 10th, 2019 11:27 694th Post
blackfox wrote:
err Eric ,believe it or not that background is S.O.C no cloning or messing about at all , its the reeds over the other side of the pool .. hard to get but it is possible as this shows .
Jeff ....not sure what you are referring to as I haven't posted anything on that subject??? Was it someone else's comment?











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Posted by Eric: Thu Jan 10th, 2019 11:49 695th Post
Still getting greenfly in the pansies.:thumbs:

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Thu Jan 10th, 2019 12:01 696th Post
Super, he looks well fed.



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Posted by blackfox: Thu Jan 10th, 2019 12:49 697th Post
oops sorry , it should have been in reply to Jonathon , but you replied to him so I linked via your reply totally innocently of course . think I'll break the whiskey out in a bit to clear the cobwebs of my mind :banghead::banghead:

:whip::whip::whip::whip::whip::whip::whip::whip:



Posted by jk: Thu Jan 10th, 2019 12:54 698th Post
I'll join you with the whisky Jeff.
:cheersduo::-)



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Posted by blackfox: Thu Jan 10th, 2019 13:10 699th Post
coal tit from today in the rain, shouldn't really have gone out
lump of coal by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by blackfox: Thu Jan 10th, 2019 17:49 700th Post
when checking another shot in todays series , I happened to look at the shutter speeds which is something I dont normally bother with . the coal tit shot above , WAS TAKEN AT 600MM AT 1/30TH SEC HANDHELD at 800iso . stunned am I :thumbs::thumbs::bowing::bowing:o.Oo.O



Posted by jk: Fri Jan 11th, 2019 04:13 701st Post
I had ago with the method that Jeff is using to reduce background clutter and noise.
The method is just a variant of what I use for portrait images so not a new technique but a variation of a technique.
Very useful but a bit time consuming.



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Posted by blackfox: Fri Jan 11th, 2019 04:21 702nd Post
I timed myself actually doing a few photos , and it takes me roughly 3.5 minutes from raw file to finished j.peg ,so not really time consuming , it only takes longer if there are any bits that need cloning done



Posted by blackfox: Fri Jan 11th, 2019 06:31 703rd Post
teal reflections , 1/80th sec handheld
time will teal by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by jk: Fri Jan 11th, 2019 07:02 704th Post
Hi Jeff, Not sure I like the effect on the reflections in the water in the teal photo. What does the original look like.



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Posted by blackfox: Fri Jan 11th, 2019 07:30 705th Post
Not sure what you mean jk , it's more or less s.o.c , just slow shutter speed , I definetly haven't messed around with it .



Posted by Robert: Fri Jan 11th, 2019 07:36 706th Post
Looks OK to me, just the reflection is upside down but I guess we can't blame Jeff for that, it's probably that lens.

BTW, I didn't realise it was VR...

Or have you snuk in a Z6 with it's inbuilt VR or IS?



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Posted by Eric: Fri Jan 11th, 2019 08:08 707th Post
jk wrote:
I had ago with the method that Jeff is using to reduce background clutter and noise.
The method is just a variant of what I use for portrait images so not a new technique but a variation of a technique.
Very useful but a bit time consuming.

I suppose this comes back to my basic premise that we ought to be able to get the result we want out of the camera without any editing. A forlorn hope with UK weather and the serendipity of casual photography ( as opposed to controlled environments etc)

In essence it comes down to deciding if the requirement for alteration affects the subject, the background or the whole image. Separating the subject from the background (by whatever method) enables the alteration of the two parts independently. But it takes a few moments to effect this.

Isolated changes such as noise reduction, sharpening, depth of field boketh are easily done, but to me, the NEED to do this (even a few minutes) on every photo, takes away some of the charm.

Coming from a commercial photography background, where in reportage situations we weren't ALLOWED to alter photos, it smacks of not being able to get it right first time. I know that with wildlife, so many things conspire to make this extremely difficult to get the perfect result from the camera. But part of me wonders if there's more pleasure in just getting the best you can out of the camera ....even if it falls short of a gold standard.o.O



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Posted by blackfox: Fri Jan 11th, 2019 08:46 708th Post
heres the original shot cropped in l/room . nothing else done .

I GET THE FEELING YOUR ALL OVERTHINKING IT


I'm just amazed it even came out at all , given the vintage of the camera and shutter speed ,hand held as well at 600mm
origional by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by jk: Fri Jan 11th, 2019 10:41 709th Post
IMHO The reflections in the rippled water detract from the very fine pictureof the teal.
I dont have any solutions as wildlife it is not speciality.



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Posted by jk: Fri Jan 11th, 2019 10:46 710th Post
Eric wrote:
jk wrote:
I had ago with the method that Jeff is using to reduce background clutter and noise.
The method is just a variant of what I use for portrait images so not a new technique but a variation of a technique.
Very useful but a bit time consuming.

I suppose this comes back to my basic premise that we ought to be able to get the result we want out of the camera without any editing. A forlorn hope with UK weather and the serendipity of casual photography ( as opposed to controlled environments etc)

In essence it comes down to deciding if the requirement for alteration affects the subject, the background or the whole image. Separating the subject from the background (by whatever method) enables the alteration of the two parts independently. But it takes a few moments to effect this.

Isolated changes such as noise reduction, sharpening, depth of field boketh are easily done, but to me, the NEED to do this (even a few minutes) on every photo, takes away some of the charm.

Coming from a commercial photography background, where in reportage situations we weren't ALLOWED to alter photos, it smacks of not being able to get it right first time. I know that with wildlife, so many things conspire to make this extremely difficult to get the perfect result from the camera. But part of me wonders if there's more pleasure in just getting the best you can out of the camera ....even if it falls short of a gold standard.o.O

I agree Eric and Jeff. Sometimes we overwork/overthink the problem or image.
It was one of the reasons why I posted my HDR image off the trees around the stream and also a straight image. Yes the HDR image has a little more shadow detail but when you consider that I could have produced the same result with a quick curves change then it does question why overekaborate by taking 5 images @50MB/image then blend them together and output when one correctly exposed image with a small curves tweak will produce the same output.



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Posted by Robert: Fri Jan 11th, 2019 13:05 711th Post
jk wrote:
I agree Eric and Jeff. Sometimes we overwork/overthink the problem or image.
It was one of the reasons why I posted my HDR image off the trees around the stream and also a straight image. Yes the HDR image has a little more shadow detail but when you consider that I could have produced the same result with a quick curves change then it does question why overekaborate by taking 5 images @50MB/image then blend them together and output when one correctly exposed image with a small curves tweak will produce the same output.

For sunset/sunrise it's the only way to avoid blown out and grossly under exposed parts in the same image. It also avoids having to push and pull the extremes of the exposure values. While it can be done, I have heard this argument before, I believe that contributes to the lack of image quality, resulting in disappointment with the final image.

With a 24Mp DX camera or the equivalent FX, you have to enlarge the image far beyond normal needs to even see the noise in most cases.

I have been bracketing all the images I have taken of my fathers slides, I don't always use all of each set, and sometimes the median exposure is all I need, but it costs nothing, digital film is free, even at 36Mp, once I have the images I want, the originals will be consigned to the digital bin, I will just keep one TIFF from which I can make as many JPEGS as I wish, at whatever size.

The slides I am copying are very variable, from almost back to the very faintest image, very over exposed. With one exception I have been able to salvage all of what I believe were my fathers rejects. I am about to move on to his 'keepers' which he used to use to do slide shows.

The D800 produces very malleable images which are a joy to work with. Once processed they are producing some lovely pictures. Extracting usable images from wrongly exposed transparencies is a challenge I haven't been able to meet until the D800 and it does it beautifully, my only wish is that he could have seen the advances in photography since the mid 1960's when he made these slides.



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Posted by Eric: Fri Jan 11th, 2019 13:57 712th Post
Robert wrote:
jk wrote:
I agree Eric and Jeff. Sometimes we overwork/overthink the problem or image.
It was one of the reasons why I posted my HDR image off the trees around the stream and also a straight image. Yes the HDR image has a little more shadow detail but when you consider that I could have produced the same result with a quick curves change then it does question why overekaborate by taking 5 images @50MB/image then blend them together and output when one correctly exposed image with a small curves tweak will produce the same output.

For sunset/sunrise it's the only way to avoid blown out and grossly under exposed parts in the same image. It also avoids having to push and pull the extremes of the exposure values. While it can be done, I have heard this argument before, I believe that contributes to the lack of image quality, resulting in disappointment with the final image.

With a 24Mp DX camera or the equivalent FX, you have to enlarge the image far beyond normal needs to even see the noise in most cases.

I have been bracketing all the images I have taken of my fathers slides, I don't always use all of each set, and sometimes the median exposure is all I need, but it costs nothing, digital film is free, even at 36Mp, once I have the images I want, the originals will be consigned to the digital bin, I will just keep one TIFF from which I can make as many JPEGS as I wish, at whatever size.

The slides I am copying are very variable, from almost back to the very faintest image, very over exposed. With one exception I have been able to salvage all of what I believe were my fathers rejects. I am about to move on to his 'keepers' which he used to use to do slide shows.

The D800 produces very malleable images which are a joy to work with. Once processed they are producing some lovely pictures. Extracting usable images from wrongly exposed transparencies is a challenge I haven't been able to meet until the D800 and it does it beautifully, my only wish is that he could have seen the advances in photography since the mid 1960's when he made these slides.

For your project HDR must be a godsend.

Of course the primitive old fashioned way to deal with sunset/sunrise exposure was graduated filters. ;-).



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Posted by Robert: Fri Jan 11th, 2019 14:13 713th Post
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For your project HDR must be a godsend.

Of course the primitive old fashioned way to deal with sunset/sunrise exposure was graduated filters. ;-).

Absolutely, I have tried with each successive (digital) camera since the D1, to copy these slides, finally I got there, partly the HDR, partly the high resolution and partly the very forgiving nature of the D800's exposure latitude, I can only guess at what the 810 and of course the D850, are capable of, but to coin a phrase, these are 'good enough'. When I was working, building and someone said "that's near enough" There would be a resounding chorus from his mates, "But Is it right?".

Well, yes they are, exposure wise anyway. In fact a couple of them are outstanding.



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Posted by Iain: Fri Jan 11th, 2019 15:04 714th Post
blackfox wrote:
heres the original shot cropped in l/room . nothing else done .

I GET THE FEELING YOUR ALL OVERTHINKING IT


I'm just amazed it even came out at all , given the vintage of the camera and shutter speed ,hand held as well at 600mm
origional by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr

Nothing wrong with it Jeff. Had the Teal been still the reflection would be perfect.



Posted by blackfox: Fri Jan 11th, 2019 16:00 715th Post
Cheers Iain , it was moving quiet fast at the time ,I think you have to be a birder that's used to catching fast motion as it occurs to really appreciate it . As I keep saying what I find incredible is how sharp it is at that shutter speed



Posted by Iain: Fri Jan 11th, 2019 16:33 716th Post
It's like motor sport if you pan at the right speed the slow shutter suspend doesn't matter.



Posted by Robert: Fri Jan 11th, 2019 16:54 717th Post
Agreed but the wing and other movements can mess with that. Cars and motorbikes benefit from wheel and background blur but generally with birds it's detrimental.



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Posted by Eric: Fri Jan 11th, 2019 17:25 718th Post
I think Jonathan was eluding to the unusual pattern effect on the water.

Lovely shot of the Teal but have to say I find the 'texture' like pattern effect of the water ( I know it's natural) distracting.



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Fri Jan 11th, 2019 18:36 719th Post
This is a U-Tube link to some 4K movie I shot at same time as the other Kingfisher pixs last week follow below:

https://youtu.be/of1UXC75fzI

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Posted by jk: Sat Jan 12th, 2019 04:09 720th Post
Eric wrote:
I think Jonathan was eluding to the unusual pattern effect on the water.

Lovely shot of the Teal but have to say I find the 'texture' like pattern effect of the water ( I know it's natural) distracting.

Yes I was.
The teal is superbly sharp, but find the reflection in the ripples to be less pleasing.



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Posted by Robert: Sat Jan 12th, 2019 05:07 721st Post
Perhaps to slightly reduce the vibrance or contrast, saturation? (prominence) of the reflections would improve the image? Would need to be very subtle.

o.O

Dam, the image has gone onto a previous page.

Usually reflections are less intense than the object being reflected but here it's a very intense reflection, probably the lighting.

Re posted the image to save having to go back to previous post.

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Posted by blackfox: Sat Jan 12th, 2019 06:13 722nd Post
o.k so heres another mid week shot , robin in the rain 600mm hand held at a incredible 1/50th sec :doh:

robin in the rain by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by blackfox: Sat Jan 12th, 2019 08:41 723rd Post
a chaffinch deep in thought in deep woodland
cheeky chaffy by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by jk: Sun Jan 13th, 2019 15:05 724th Post
Robin and chaffinch are great. Gone are the ripples! ;-)



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Posted by Eric: Sun Jan 13th, 2019 16:51 725th Post
Went to photograph ducks....saw this on the way to the reserve...

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Posted by Eric: Sun Jan 13th, 2019 16:57 726th Post
Ladies day......

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Posted by Eric: Sun Jan 13th, 2019 16:58 727th Post
Don't you love redheads?

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Posted by blackfox: Sun Jan 13th, 2019 17:01 728th Post
Nice one Eric ,, although there is still evidence of noise , is it the D500
Or just your processing .. the best one being the middle shot

Really weird as this was the camera I was aiming for



Posted by Eric: Sun Jan 13th, 2019 17:10 729th Post
Sadly the weather was naff and the birds were 30m away...so not worthy of more cropping. It's a bit easier with bigger birds...:lol:

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Posted by Eric: Sun Jan 13th, 2019 17:17 730th Post
blackfox wrote:
Nice one Eric ,, although there is still evidence of noise , is it the D500
Or just your processing .. the best one being the middle shot

Really weird as this was the camera I was aiming for

It's actually the D850!

In camera NR set to Norm. ISOs 2500-3200.
NO post processing moves to reduce noise.

The problem does seem to be the distance I am from the subjects. 90-100feet with 500mm on duck size birds still needs a fair amount of cropping. In contrast the Whooper....bigger and closer doesn't seem to broadcast noise as much.



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Posted by blackfox: Sun Jan 13th, 2019 17:54 731st Post
Ahhh but surely the D500 would need less cropping ? . I do know what you mean though bad weather seems to be the norm this year , and when it's nice my family seem to find me jobs to do :whip:



Posted by Graham Whistler: Sun Jan 13th, 2019 18:22 732nd Post
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Posted by Eric: Sun Jan 13th, 2019 18:42 733rd Post
blackfox wrote:
Ahhh but surely the D500 would need less cropping ? . I do know what you mean though bad weather seems to be the norm this year , and when it's nice my family seem to find me jobs to do :whip:
That would have been difficult to effect....the D500 wasn't with me.:doh:



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Posted by blackfox: Mon Jan 14th, 2019 11:08 734th Post
slightly better weather today so I took a chance of some more practise , sods law it just started to rain as I got the swan

swan necked by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by blackfox: Mon Jan 14th, 2019 11:10 735th Post
and gulls are never far away when you live on the coast
head 'n' shoulders by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by Eric: Mon Jan 14th, 2019 12:05 736th Post
It was getting seriously “dark over Will's mother's” towards the end of yesterday's day out. These 3 were more accommodating distance wise. The ducks were at 5000iso....so I've no idea why noise isn't more evident like in previous days 3000 version. o.O

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Posted by Eric: Mon Jan 14th, 2019 12:06 737th Post
This tufty was literally next to the pochard...

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Posted by Eric: Mon Jan 14th, 2019 12:06 738th Post
One last swan....

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Mon Jan 14th, 2019 13:11 739th Post
Looks good Eric colur balance spot on. Jeffs Swan looks pink, what went wrong there?

These Redshank in Farlington Marsh this afternoon big blow up. D050 and 500mm lens but they were a long way out.

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Mon Jan 14th, 2019 13:14 740th Post
At last saw a Curlew too still big blow up but came back after a long walk happy! Both pixs at 1600 ISO.

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Posted by blackfox: Mon Jan 14th, 2019 16:19 741st Post
now re-done that swan shot (thanks graham ) it was linked via flickr no idea what went wrong but I probably rushed it ,hope this is better

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Mon Jan 14th, 2019 18:06 742nd Post
Spot on now and very sharp.

Later several hundred Brent came in with the tide, D850 again with 500mm plus x1.4 2500 ISO 1/2000 sec at f8 (wide open) 25 point tracking focus.

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Posted by blackfox: Mon Jan 14th, 2019 18:23 743rd Post
Thanks graham , and here was me thinking it had the hots for a flamingo LOL



Posted by blackfox: Tue Jan 15th, 2019 13:02 744th Post
one from this morning slightly better light , but I think the camera is over-exposing a bit . .

pose for the camera by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by Robert: Tue Jan 15th, 2019 15:31 745th Post
I've found that Jeff, I normally keep my D200's and D3 dialled back 1/3 of a stop in decent light. I don't use the D300S in daylight enough to know about that, but I see no reason to think it will be different



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Posted by Eric: Tue Jan 15th, 2019 15:57 746th Post
Watched this guy working his ticket for several minutes

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Posted by Eric: Tue Jan 15th, 2019 16:01 747th Post
Caught in mid drip...

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Posted by Iain: Tue Jan 15th, 2019 16:13 748th Post
I see that Graham's egret has made it into this months bird watching magazine.
Well done Graham.



Posted by blackfox: Tue Jan 15th, 2019 17:21 749th Post
yes Robert I remember it well from previous bodies , d200, d300s, and d7000 all suffered from it if my memory serves me rightly , this one does seem a bit worse than my previous body , could be a combination of body and lens together , but not a problem as I'll just have to dial it in I think about -0.7 looks about right .worst way I'll just have to find enough for a more modern body :no::no::no:



Posted by Graham Whistler: Tue Jan 15th, 2019 18:15 750th Post
Thanks Ian! Jeff that is a very good pix but I still think you are a tad warm, exlosure is spot on.I agree with Robert I keep -0.3 on some of the time but very often birds can be against light backgrounds on very bright sky and plus is the order of the day.

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Posted by blackfox: Tue Jan 15th, 2019 18:22 751st Post
not seen it but well done graham



Posted by blackfox: Tue Jan 15th, 2019 18:26 752nd Post
thats just my style graham , I have gone from a mirrorless screen that what you see is what you get to a very old screen that I cant quiet get right , but I'm working on it .



Posted by jk: Wed Jan 16th, 2019 05:55 753rd Post
Iain wrote: I see that Graham's egret has made it into this months bird watching magazine.
Well done Graham.

Congratulations Graham.



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Posted by Eric: Wed Jan 16th, 2019 06:02 754th Post
jk wrote:
Iain wrote: I see that Graham's egret has made it into this months bird watching magazine.
Well done Graham.

Congratulations Graham.

Yes well done Graham....pity they didn't print it as big as it deserved.



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Posted by blackfox: Wed Jan 16th, 2019 07:02 755th Post
another one from yesterday ... goldfinch on reeds

golden gaze by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by Graham Whistler: Wed Jan 16th, 2019 18:43 756th Post
Has that helped? Good pix nice and sharp, good detail but too much contrast and a tad warm. For me this is now a very good picture by most standards!

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Posted by Robert: Wed Jan 16th, 2019 23:21 757th Post
Difficult territory Graham.

Jeff likes his style and that's his prerogative, I feel it is a bit pink but I think you have gone too far, to me, it's dull and lifeless in your version. Your version may actually be true to nature but nature is (usually) supposed to be dull, camouflage is natures way with most things.

Jeff on the other hand isn't trying to depict nature as nature intends, but to create a spectacular picture, from the form and pose of the bird, combined with the background to create a pleasing piece of art, for the ordinary viewer. When I first saw this image I was very impressed, despite little bells saying it's 'a bit pink'! Graham, you are no ordinary viewer! You come from a background of colour perfection, Jeff if enjoying his wildlife photography and making adjustments to his images as he feels appropriate.

To me the magic is in capturing the pose and in combination with the background, a delightful image. The exact colour balance don't matter too much to me, as long as it's not spoiling the image. Levels, to me are much more important and if you check your version of 'corrected' you will see you have lost the white end. I have 'corrected' that and this, to me is MY perception of what I feel is a good balance but I suspect that for every person to adjust this photograph, each result would be different.

Do we go with straight out of the camera, basic adjustments to get it close to nature natural, or adjust it to our own taste? I respect Jeff's right to make the adjustments he feels are appropriate, right to wrong in our eyes.

For what it's worth, my version, hope you don't mind Jeff... This is Graham's 'corrected' with the levels corrected and a bit of pink put back...

But I still like the original, right or wrong.

Off out to photograph the stars... at 04:30!

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Posted by blackfox: Thu Jan 17th, 2019 03:03 758th Post
Hmmmm I prefer mine but as Robert says it's down to individual taste , I like to give my photos impact it's always worked for me , not going to change my style now ,
To me both your versions look pale / pallid but it's your choice , a few years back in the era of using windows we did a check on several different monitors as my lad had them available and every single rendition of the same photo was totally different ..
In the era of the i.mac they are usually the same but people using laptops to view or process will have problems with there colours due to changing angles of view .. leave it at that ... off to hopefully get some red/ ginger/pink / orange squirrels later LOL



Posted by jk: Thu Jan 17th, 2019 04:20 759th Post
Robert wrote:
I've found that Jeff, I normally keep my D200's and D3 dialled back 1/3 of a stop in decent light. I don't use the D300S in daylight enough to know about that, but I see no reason to think it will be different
Yes all my Nikons have been used with -0.3 or -0.7 EV compensation. However for BIF I used +1.5EV so I get underwing detail. The D500 gives good results for this setting.
I am finding my Z7 seems to work best at 0EV so maybe Nikon have adjusted the metering a twaek.



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Posted by jk: Thu Jan 17th, 2019 04:24 760th Post
Robert wrote:
Difficult territory Graham.

Jeff likes his style and that's his prerogative, I feel it is a bit pink but I think you have gone too far, to me, it's dull and lifeless in your version. Your version may actually be true to nature but nature is (usually) supposed to be dull, camouflage is natures way with most things.

Jeff on the other hand isn't trying to depict nature as nature intends, but to create a spectacular picture, from the form and pose of the bird, combined with the background to create a pleasing piece of art, for the ordinary viewer. When I first saw this image I was very impressed, despite little bells saying it's 'a bit pink'! Graham, you are no ordinary viewer! You come from a background of colour perfection, Jeff if enjoying his wildlife photography and making adjustments to his images as he feels appropriate.

To me the magic is in capturing the pose and in combination with the background, a delightful image. The exact colour balance don't matter too much to me, as long as it's not spoiling the image. Levels, to me are much more important and if you check your version of 'corrected' you will see you have lost the white end. I have 'corrected' that and this, to me is MY perception of what I feel is a good balance but I suspect that for every person to adjust this photograph, each result would be different.

Do we go with straight out of the camera, basic adjustments to get it close to nature natural, or adjust it to our own taste? I respect Jeff's right to make the adjustments he feels are appropriate, right to wrong in our eyes.

For what it's worth, my version, hope you don't mind Jeff... This is Graham's 'corrected' with the levels corrected and a bit of pink put back...

But I still like the original, right or wrong.

Off out to photograph the stars... at 04:30!

I like Robert's adjustment of the photo.
But I do find the reed brush flower a little detracting. The bird is outstanding. I never really appreciated the beauty of the goldfinch.



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Posted by blackfox: Fri Jan 18th, 2019 04:42 761st Post
first of yesterdays birds shots , a nicely posing kingfisher with the background water reflecting the clear blue sky of snowdonia

i'm stumped by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by Graham Whistler: Fri Jan 18th, 2019 05:50 762nd Post
Well done very good Kingfisher pix!

This morning, at last, a Goldfinch landed on my posing stick I put next to the bird feeder. Not quite as crisp as I would like but at last a bird has posed for me even if only for a split second! D950 with 500mm and x1.4 quite a big blow up ISO 1600 1/320 sec at F8

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Posted by blackfox: Fri Jan 18th, 2019 06:18 763rd Post
lovely pose graham , I'm not playing tit for tat but to me that looks very pallid , dont know if its the upload to the forum etc but if it looks o.k on your monitor it could be why your seeing mine as too vibrant ... it does raise the question though ..o.O o.O



Posted by jk: Fri Jan 18th, 2019 07:00 764th Post
I would say that the image is probably colour correct as it came out of camera but looks like it needs sharpening.

We need to be careful that Sat/Vibrance sliders dont become a defacto +50! I have to say that I tend to use Sat +12, Vib +27 or thereabouts for my Nikon images but much less for the Fuji cameras.



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Posted by Eric: Fri Jan 18th, 2019 09:51 765th Post
Just +20% contrast will do the trick. 😉

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Fri Jan 18th, 2019 11:29 766th Post
Yes thanks thats a lot better I put it up in a bit of a hurry and light was very flat this am!



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Posted by blackfox: Fri Jan 18th, 2019 13:04 767th Post
Yep 100% better



Posted by jk: Fri Jan 18th, 2019 13:30 768th Post
Yes much better.
Interestingly due to the increased contrast it looks sharper as well but this is normal.



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Posted by Robert: Fri Jan 18th, 2019 13:54 769th Post
One of the 'new' adjustments in Lightroom is Dehaze, it's very powerful and I use it very sparingly, 3 - 10% at the most in normal images.

I believe it's a complex algorithm similar to highlight and shadows, which increases the micro contrast of detail at the dark end. It can transform an image without affecting the overall settings. A sort of detail extractor, it can bring out otherwise invisible (or unnoticeable), detail and texture.



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Posted by Eric: Fri Jan 18th, 2019 14:15 770th Post
Robert wrote:
One of the 'new' adjustments in Lightroom is Dehaze, it's very powerful and I use it very sparingly, 3 - 10% at the most in normal images.

I believe it's a complex algorithm similar to highlight and shadows, which increases the micro contrast of detail at the dark end. It can transform an image without affecting the overall settings. A sort of detail extractor, it can bring out otherwise invisible (or unnoticeable), detail and texture.

Yup...got it in Affinity Photo as well...it's very good. I use it to lose some of the 'haze', or rather, internal reflection when photographing through double glazing. In it's own way it adds contrast and clears any 'fogging' whatever the source.:thumbs:



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Posted by blackfox: Fri Jan 18th, 2019 16:22 771st Post
I find the most useful new additions is the preset boxes ..



Posted by Robert: Fri Jan 18th, 2019 17:02 772nd Post
blackfox wrote:
I find the most useful new additions is the preset boxes ..
Never use them.

Odd you mention them, yesterday I noticed they seemed different, so I ran through the effects they produce. I couldn't find one which, to my eyes, improved the image and I tried several different types of image.

I do however use the 'auto' adjustment in Lightroom. I find it can very quickly get me very close to the image I am seeking, usually it's a tad bright and slightly over done in the shadow recovery department, a couple of minor adjustments usually gets me right on the nail.

There does seem to a distinct difference between the black and white point sliders in Lightroom, compared with Photoshop's Levels. If I have an image where the levels need adjustment, I go straight into Ps and do my shuffle technique. Way better, Lr seems to try to be clever and as far as I can tell it fudges the adjustment by stretching the levels each end only, instead of simply moving the left or right point. The result from Ps seems way better than using Lr to do that adjustment. Levels are fundamental for a good image.

I have to say, I am amazed by the pliability of the D800's NEF's. I took quite a few exposures very early Thursday morning, the image quality and ability to recover dark detail is amazing. The D850 must be magic to work with. I doubt I will afford a D850 but it encourages me to try for a D810 later this year. I know there isn't a lot of difference over the D800 but I feel it will be worthwhile, a lot of small improvements add up.



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Posted by blackfox: Sat Jan 19th, 2019 08:22 773rd Post
little grebe , just popped back up after a dive

shaking all over by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by Iain: Sat Jan 19th, 2019 09:52 774th Post
Nice shots folk.



Posted by jk: Sun Jan 20th, 2019 08:10 775th Post
blackfox wrote:
little grebe , just popped back up after a dive

shaking all over by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr

Like that one Jeff.
The ripples compliment the subject rather than detract.



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Posted by blackfox: Tue Jan 22nd, 2019 06:36 776th Post
another kingfisher from last week , pissed off about the distracting reeds , but you takes what you gets

ye olde mossy log by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by jk: Tue Jan 22nd, 2019 09:03 777th Post
I understand what you are saying about the reeds. It is the reeds themselves rather than the reflected reeds that is distracting.

Have you tried a mask and defocus with Gaussian Blur?



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Posted by blackfox: Tue Jan 22nd, 2019 13:52 778th Post
one from yesterday ... clutching at straws by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by Robert: Tue Jan 22nd, 2019 14:19 779th Post
Lovely Jeff. The reeds are much better here.



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Posted by Iain: Fri Jan 25th, 2019 09:13 780th Post
One from yesterday, early morning and the light was to say the least poor.

Edit, looks darker on here than on my monitor.

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Posted by blackfox: Fri Jan 25th, 2019 10:04 781st Post
stunning shot Iain , direct upload problems that's why I always link via flickr



Posted by Iain: Fri Jan 25th, 2019 11:58 782nd Post
May have to consider doing it that way.



Posted by Robert: Fri Jan 25th, 2019 17:13 783rd Post
Hi Iain, do you have a Flicker account (or similar?) it might be worth trying images such as this by hosting them off the forum and linking, like Jeff and I do. The forum software can play havoc with some images, all forums are the same, unfortunately.



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Posted by Eric: Fri Jan 25th, 2019 17:48 784th Post
I know you won't believe me but I WAS up before dawn on the North Norfolk coast TWICE this week. That Graham Whistler is a hard task master.

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Posted by Robert: Fri Jan 25th, 2019 18:03 785th Post
Eric wrote:
I know you won't believe me but I WAS up before dawn on the North Norfolk coast TWICE this week. That Graham Whistler is a hard task master.
No, don't believe you, you been photoshopping again!

You are getting quite good, I bet you could make a living doing that! :lol::lol::lol:

That nice Mr. Whistler wouldn't have done such a thing...

We need more photographic evidence. o.O



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Posted by Eric: Fri Jan 25th, 2019 18:34 786th Post
Here's a good reason for a zoom lens.....

Mike Watson ( of Frampton fame) had a zoom....

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Posted by Eric: Fri Jan 25th, 2019 18:34 787th Post
I had the 500mm prime.....:needsahug:

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Posted by Eric: Fri Jan 25th, 2019 18:36 788th Post
And the Pochards wanted to add to the muck up.:whip:

Or should that be a Duck up?o.O



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Posted by Eric: Fri Jan 25th, 2019 18:38 789th Post
Robert wrote:
Eric wrote:
I know you won't believe me but I WAS up before dawn on the North Norfolk coast TWICE this week. That Graham Whistler is a hard task master.
No, don't believe you, you been photoshopping again!

You are getting quite good, I bet you could make a living doing that! :lol::lol::lol:

That nice Mr. Whistler wouldn't have done such a thing...

We need more photographic evidence. o.O

I will photograph the Discovery tomorrow....you can see the mud. :lol:



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Posted by Robert: Fri Jan 25th, 2019 18:42 790th Post
Eric wrote:
I had the 500mm prime.....:needsahug:
:needsahug:

DX or FX? The BIG dilemma.



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Posted by Robert: Fri Jan 25th, 2019 18:45 791st Post
Eric wrote: I will photograph the Discovery tomorrow....you can see the mud. :lol:
OK, that might convince me but what about that nice Mr. Whistler? I don't believe he managed to prise you from between the sheets, long before dawn.

o.O



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Posted by Eric: Fri Jan 25th, 2019 18:56 792nd Post
Robert wrote:
Eric wrote: I will photograph the Discovery tomorrow....you can see the mud. :lol:
OK, that might convince me but what about that nice Mr. Whistler? I don't believe he managed to prise you from between the sheets, long before dawn.

o.O
1min 50sec :lol:



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Posted by Eric: Fri Jan 25th, 2019 18:57 793rd Post
Seriously, had a very good couple of days. Even Jan came out with her camera....but not at dawn. :lol:

Will let Graham post some of his shots first.



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Posted by Robert: Fri Jan 25th, 2019 19:16 794th Post
Pleased to hear it, I spoke with Graham when he was at Whisley on his way up to your's he was very much looking forward to it.

Come on Graham, where are your pix?

o.O



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Posted by Iain: Fri Jan 25th, 2019 19:41 795th Post
Eric wrote:
I know you won't believe me but I WAS up before dawn on the North Norfolk coast TWICE this week. That Graham Whistler is a hard task master.
Nice shot Eric but what type of Geese were they?



Posted by jk: Sat Jan 26th, 2019 05:47 796th Post
Nice shots Eric.
Swans are good. Make a good Valentine card (heart shape of pair).

The sunrise silhouettes are good.



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sat Jan 26th, 2019 05:59 797th Post
The Knotts took off in a hurry when they saw us. Sorry lots of noise as pushed ISO. It was so cold that my camera was almost too cold to touch!

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sat Jan 26th, 2019 06:01 798th Post
Later in the day from the Eric's nice warm Tonker-toy Car we watched waders enjoying a tasty worm! Sorry D850 plus 500mm AF-S ans x1.4 1250 ISO and much better light but we had hardly any sun apart from the 5 mins of sunrise as seen in Eric's pix. Most of the time very dull with mist so all shots of the massed waders out over the Wash no hope of crisp pix. What an amazing sight well worth getting up early to see it!

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sat Jan 26th, 2019 06:14 799th Post
You see what I mean by poor weather.

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Posted by Eric: Sat Jan 26th, 2019 07:29 800th Post
Iain wrote:
Eric wrote:
I know you won't believe me but I WAS up before dawn on the North Norfolk coast TWICE this week. That Graham Whistler is a hard task master.
Nice shot Eric but what type of Geese were they?

Greylags.
Later, when the light had risen this group flew into the pits.
Seeing the white goose I jokingly said to Graham 'oh look a snow goose'. Half the hide dropped their bacon sandwiches and coffee flasks and grabbed there telescopes.

We left the hide quickly. :lol:

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Posted by Eric: Sat Jan 26th, 2019 07:43 801st Post
As Graham said, light was poor and the birds seems to be less inclined to come into the pits as they used to...so the groupings were less impressive. But the flights and murmurings over the Wash were spectacular as usual. There were about 40 people on the shoreline despite the cold and time of day. I cant help feeling that this modern day line of humans under their flight path was causing them to veer away elsewhere.o.O

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Posted by Eric: Sat Jan 26th, 2019 07:44 802nd Post
A little bit closer...

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Posted by Eric: Sat Jan 26th, 2019 07:46 803rd Post
Colour temperature was all over the place with grey frosty blues apart from periodic sun glimpses. Everything was a bit desaturated....even the stonechats...

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Posted by Eric: Sat Jan 26th, 2019 07:59 804th Post
Even on summer days the murmurings are a visual spectacle rather than a photographic opportunity. I suppose video would add to the possibilities?

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Posted by Eric: Sat Jan 26th, 2019 08:04 805th Post
It's much easier on an afternoon in the garden....:lol:

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Posted by blackfox: Sat Jan 26th, 2019 12:36 806th Post
good shots lads , still playing with my camera settings as re-a post elsewhere , but a couple from today shooting in 14 bit raw and using spot metering , despite the crap weather (it was actually starting to rain ) I think theres a bit of improvement there .

50 shades of white by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr

see you in a bit by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sat Jan 26th, 2019 19:25 807th Post
Another from our recent Norfolk shoot.

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sat Jan 26th, 2019 19:25 808th Post
Another from our recent Norfolk shoot. Redshank Nikon D850 with 500mm & x1.4, slightly better light for this.

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Posted by Eric: Sun Jan 27th, 2019 11:32 809th Post
Graham Whistler wrote:
Another from our recent Norfolk shoot.
That sunrise crop is excellent, Graham. Mine didn't seem sharp enough so I left it full frame.:needsahug:



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Posted by Iain: Sun Jan 27th, 2019 12:22 810th Post
Eric wrote:
Iain wrote:
Eric wrote:
I know you won't believe me but I WAS up before dawn on the North Norfolk coast TWICE this week. That Graham Whistler is a hard task master.
Nice shot Eric but what type of Geese were they?

Greylags.
Later, when the light had risen this group flew into the pits.
Seeing the white goose I jokingly said to Graham 'oh look a snow goose'. Half the hide dropped their bacon sandwiches and coffee flasks and grabbed there telescopes.



We left the hide quickly. :lol:

:lol::lol::lol:



Posted by Graham Whistler: Sun Jan 27th, 2019 12:29 811th Post
Knots & Oysterchtchers at Snettisham early morning -1C and very dull! 5000 ISO 1/100 sec f8 VR Nikon D850 and 500mm f5.6 AF-S lens plus x1.4

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sun Jan 27th, 2019 12:31 812th Post
Needless to say Eric and I took the same Whooper Swans!

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sun Jan 27th, 2019 12:50 813th Post
Eric promised to get me a Curlew but did not quite get it close enough, so it is all his fault that it was a long way of prefect distance! Location, Brancaster Staithe camera car Eric, Nikon D850 with the new 500mm AF-S f5.6 lens plus x1.4, ISO 1250 1/400 sec at f10 VR on.

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sun Jan 27th, 2019 12:58 814th Post
But the mussels in the White Horse a bit later made up for it all!

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Posted by Robert: Sun Jan 27th, 2019 13:28 815th Post
Mussels!

One of my favourite dishes, lovely.



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sun Jan 27th, 2019 14:09 816th Post
Fisherman with the mornings Mussel catch just a short distance from The White Horse Pub.About an hour before we had lunch.

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Posted by jk: Sun Jan 27th, 2019 14:39 817th Post
Very allergic to crustacea, huge chucking up. Cant even go past a stall selling whelks, etc without feeling sick.

Many people (23%) are allergic as well but dont realise it.



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Posted by Robert: Sun Jan 27th, 2019 15:08 818th Post
jk wrote:
Very allergic to crustacea, huge chucking up. Cant even go past a stall selling whelks, etc without feeling sick.

Many people (23%) are allergic as well but dont realise it.

I'm not! Bring e'm on... Lovely with chopped shallots and white wine. I'll have your share JK. :thumbs:



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Posted by Eric: Sun Jan 27th, 2019 15:17 819th Post
Robert wrote:
Mussels!

One of my favourite dishes, lovely.

They were lovely. Graham very kindly gave me...ONE. :lol:

In fairness I didn't give him any of my smoked cod and ****le hollandaise.:thumbs:



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Posted by Eric: Sun Jan 27th, 2019 15:49 820th Post
Another on a distant isle at Snettisham...

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Posted by Eric: Sun Jan 27th, 2019 15:55 821st Post
Graham Whistler wrote:
Needless to say Eric and I took the same Whooper Swans!
Nice crop:thumbs:



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Posted by jk: Sun Jan 27th, 2019 16:22 822nd Post
Eric wrote:
Another on a distant isle at Snettisham...
Love it. Fine picture of a beautiful bird.



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Posted by Robert: Sun Jan 27th, 2019 16:43 823rd Post
Like that Eric, more natural than posing on a branch. The camouflage works well with the background, you have to almost search the image to define the bird.

Edit: That's the second time I have posted to only find the image I was commenting is on a previous page. :whip:



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sun Jan 27th, 2019 19:07 824th Post
Like that one Eric, I think that we got a few reasonable ones even in the very dull weather and cold!



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Posted by Eric: Mon Jan 28th, 2019 05:57 825th Post
Graham Whistler wrote:
Another from our recent Norfolk shoot.
Just realised why my shots are more distant than yours.

I changed the lens from the 500+1.4 ....to the 300mm temporarily when we arrived.

:banghead::banghead:


Here's some (distant) cormorants. :-)

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Posted by blackfox: Mon Jan 28th, 2019 15:30 826th Post
nicely posing GSW from today in the woods

got yer !! by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by jk: Mon Jan 28th, 2019 16:27 827th Post
Good shot, Jeff.
Looks almost flash lit it is so bright.



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Posted by Iain: Mon Jan 28th, 2019 16:30 828th Post
It's nice when the sun is in the right place to light them like that.
Nice shot Jeff.



Posted by blackfox: Mon Jan 28th, 2019 17:08 829th Post
Thank you. Both ,''twas a lovely day today , and the low winter sun gave as Iain says a almost flashgun appearance to the shots this is actually taken in a wood but there's a large pool outside the hide that reflects the light back under a blue sky and lovely and quiet to , just 3 of us there today in the whole reserve



Posted by blackfox: Tue Jan 29th, 2019 06:58 830th Post
another nice shot from yesterday , the blue is the sky reflecting on the pool

ye olde mossy log by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by Iain: Tue Jan 29th, 2019 08:05 831st Post
A shot through the glass of the hide, I didn't want to open the window as it would have been away so took some shots then tried to open the window and guess what, it took off. :lol:

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Posted by blackfox: Tue Jan 29th, 2019 10:16 832nd Post
Cracking shot though Iain well caught



Posted by Graham Whistler: Tue Jan 29th, 2019 12:21 833rd Post
Very nice both of you.



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Posted by Iain: Wed Jan 30th, 2019 16:11 834th Post
Thanks both.



Posted by Eric: Thu Jan 31st, 2019 07:50 835th Post
I know it's a seedy play on words but...

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Posted by Iain: Thu Jan 31st, 2019 09:17 836th Post
:thumbsdown::lol:



Posted by Eric: Thu Jan 31st, 2019 13:23 837th Post
Iain wrote:
:thumbsdown::lol:
I suppose Lickseeding would be better?:lol:



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Posted by Eric: Thu Jan 31st, 2019 13:28 838th Post
The wren came back to our pansies today. Can't believe how much insect life is still their for him/her. Even got shots with white fly on its head....may be that's an in flight meal for it?:lol:

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Posted by Iain: Thu Jan 31st, 2019 13:30 839th Post
I like that Eric.



Posted by Eric: Thu Jan 31st, 2019 13:38 840th Post
Thanks...here's another angle headshot

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Posted by Robert: Thu Jan 31st, 2019 15:45 841st Post
I like that one even more, the focus is spot on, the pose among the leaves is lovely.

:thumbs:

Edit: I don't know why but every time I comment on an image I start a new page and the image is on the previous. o.O



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Thu Jan 31st, 2019 16:38 842nd Post
Super pictures Eric well done. We now have snow in the South!



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Posted by blackfox: Thu Jan 31st, 2019 16:38 843rd Post
Love the last one Eric



Posted by Eric: Thu Jan 31st, 2019 16:54 844th Post
Robert wrote:
I like that one even more, the focus is spot on, the pose among the leaves is lovely.

:thumbs:

Edit: I don't know why but every time I comment on an image I start a new page and the image is on the previous. o.O

I always thought you were a natural paginator.:lol::lol:

Thanks. It's clearly a female wren as it took ages to get her to pose like that.



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Posted by Eric: Thu Jan 31st, 2019 17:02 845th Post
Graham Whistler wrote:
Super pictures Eric well done. We now have snow in the South!
Sorry to hear that. Wally enjoying sun here.;-)

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Posted by Robert: Thu Jan 31st, 2019 17:03 846th Post
I thought all Wrens were females? o.O What would I know...



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Posted by Eric: Thu Jan 31st, 2019 17:03 847th Post
Beginning to realise how much the forum messes with posted photo detail. The wagtail detail has just gone.


Think I need to join Flickr:thumbsdown:



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Posted by Robert: Thu Jan 31st, 2019 17:16 848th Post
It makes a big difference. I posted a thread several years ago about this and posted comparison image via Flicker and via the forum software. The difference is noticeable, also, it enables multiple images per post.

The image degradation is almost universal across all forum software, it hits some images worse than others. The other advantage is it's easy to repost someone else's image in a quote when pagination puts the image being discussed on the previous page.

One downside is if you modify or move an image on Flicker it sometimes breaks the link to the linked post. Some years down the line it can be hard to remember where that image was posted.

I have culled quite a few images from Flicker to provide 'elbow room' since the new limitations to the free account came in. One of my kitcar forum threads will now look a bit sad because many of the images I deleted were posted there.



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Posted by Eric: Thu Jan 31st, 2019 17:24 849th Post
Robert wrote:
It makes a big difference. I posted a thread several years ago about this and posted comparison image via Flicker and via the forum software. The difference is noticeable, also, it enables multiple images per post.

The image degradation is almost universal across all forum software, it hits some images worse than others. The other advantage is it's easy to repost someone else's image in a quote when pagination puts the image being discussed on the previous page.

One downside is if you modify or move an image on Flicker it sometimes breaks the link to the linked post. Some years down the line it can be hard to remember where that image was posted.

I have culled quite a few images from Flicker to provide 'elbow room' since the new limitations to the free account came in. One of my kitcar forum threads will now look a bit sad because many of the images I deleted were posted there.


I suppose as an option we could email our images to interested members.;-)

This dove's eye is so sharp (at this end) it hurts. :lol:

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Posted by Robert: Fri Feb 1st, 2019 03:06 850th Post
Eric wrote:
I suppose as an option we could email our images to interested members. ;-)
Hmmm, Think that would be a step back to before bulletin boards!

Posting an image to Flicker is very easy with Lightroom, simply drag the image to the Flicker panel and click Publish. I expect it can even be done from an iPad...

:hardhat:

At the other end, posting an image from Flicker is slightly more complicated, you have to select the image, then click through various versions of the image to find the 'Share' version, click Share, then copy the BB url, paste that in the forum post wherever you want the image to appear in the post. In fact you can have a post containing as many images as you wish and mix images with text, rather than the images below the text.

I am hoping the latest 'owners' of Flicker will simplify and streamline the access to the images, it does seem overly complex to me. But it works.



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Posted by Eric: Fri Feb 1st, 2019 04:38 851st Post
Robert wrote:
Eric wrote:
I suppose as an option we could email our images to interested members. ;-)
Hmmm, Think that would be a step back to before bulletin boards!

Posting an image to Flicker is very easy with Lightroom, simply drag the image to the Flicker panel and click Publish. I expect it can even be done from an iPad.

:hardhat:

At the other end, posting an image from Flicker is slightly more complicated, you have to select the image, then click through various versions of the image to find the 'Share' version, click Share, then copy the BB url, paste that in the forum post wherever you want the image to appear in the post. In fact you can have a post containing as many images as you wish and mix images with text, rather than the images below the text.

I am hoping the latest 'owners' of Flicker will simplify and streamline the access to the images, it does seem overly complex to me. But it works.

Don't use Lightroom, so would have to explore other ways.
I suppose I could use my Dropbox...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/eq5i7txcb2freu4/DSC_6068_00065.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ezjsfy252yv1ftq/DSC_6129.jpg?dl=0

But it doesn't imbed the image, just a link. o.O



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Posted by Robert: Fri Feb 1st, 2019 09:51 852nd Post
Don't think DB will do the trick, Flicker or similar would be the only way unless you already have a website and can upload images, using the images url to post here.

Perhaps Iain or Jeff have suggestions? I'm sure there will be alternatives to Flicker, I just never explored that avenue.



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Posted by Eric: Fri Feb 1st, 2019 17:01 853rd Post
Robert wrote:
Don't think DB will do the trick, Flicker or similar would be the only way unless you already have a website and can upload images, using the images url to post here.

Perhaps Iain or Jeff have suggestions? I'm sure there will be alternatives to Flicker, I just never explored that avenue.

Don't see why DB should be any different to Flickr in terms of handling high res files without loss. I used it extensively for transferring clients artwork and images for printing.

The problem seems to be delivering it INTO the forum in a visible format as opposed to a link. Maybe there's another way to share files from DB?

In the meantime, here's a Blacktailed Godwit...

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Posted by blackfox: Fri Feb 1st, 2019 17:15 854th Post
Don't know what the hell your doing rob it's a two click job to post from there to any website . To late to run through it now ,will step by step tomoz



Posted by Robert: Fri Feb 1st, 2019 17:21 855th Post
Don't know how you manage to post images from Flicker two clicks...

It takers me ages just to navigate to the image. I find it hard work, if you have an easy way to do it I would appreciate the info.

Please will you open a new topic, don't like going too far OT on this birding thread. It seems almost the only active topic at the moment.



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Posted by Eric: Fri Feb 1st, 2019 18:10 856th Post
Robert wrote:
Don't know how you manage to post images from Flicker two clicks...

It takers me ages just to navigate to the image. I find it hard work, if you have an easy way to do it I would appreciate the info.

Please will you open a new topic, don't like going too far OT on this birding thread. It seems almost the only active topic at the moment.

That's a good idea, Robert ....to start a new thread.

Apart from methods of posting from Flickr it would be good to open up the discussion wider... on ideal file dimensions, dpi, and file format for best online viewing. Part of the loss comes from the need to downsize files to meet the 2mb forum limit. It would be useful to know what others are doing to maximise reproduction quality.



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Posted by Robert: Fri Feb 1st, 2019 18:39 857th Post
Done. o.O

Hopefully it will develop to include such topics.



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Posted by Iain: Sat Feb 2nd, 2019 09:09 858th Post
Going back to the wren shot, Nice shot again. Anyway I thought all wrens were called Jenny!!:lol::lol:



Posted by Iain: Sat Feb 2nd, 2019 09:18 859th Post
Experiment from Flickr. Its a old pic I'm using as a test.

[img]DSC_9368 by Iain Clyne, on Flickr/img]



Posted by Iain: Sat Feb 2nd, 2019 09:19 860th Post
That seems to have worked but a bit big.



Posted by Eric: Sat Feb 2nd, 2019 09:31 861st Post
Iain wrote:
That seems to have worked but a bit big.

That's a lovely shot Iain....don't find it BIG. But wonder if you need to define size in Flickr?

I need to have that Flickr tutorial


I've got Roberts disease.......posting about images on the previous page.

Wonder why we need pages? On another forum they don't have pages it's one long thread. You are directed to the last post you read when you click on the thread.



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Posted by Robert: Sat Feb 2nd, 2019 09:35 862nd Post
It's catching Eric!

Iain, you need to resize it before you upload to flicker, also you don't need the [img before the paste. The [img ----- /img] is provided by Flicker, the rest takes care of itself.



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Posted by Eric: Sat Feb 2nd, 2019 09:41 863rd Post
Iain would you repost it again from Flickr ( on this page) and then do it again via the usual forum upload ...so we can see the difference one above the other. :thumbs:



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Posted by Iain: Sat Feb 2nd, 2019 09:44 864th Post
Flickr
DSC_9368 by Iain Clyne, on Flickr



Posted by Iain: Sat Feb 2nd, 2019 09:46 865th Post
Through Forum

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Posted by Eric: Sat Feb 2nd, 2019 09:49 866th Post
Wow...that explains a lot. Thanks.



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Posted by Iain: Sat Feb 2nd, 2019 09:50 867th Post
There is a big difference



Posted by Eric: Sat Feb 2nd, 2019 10:22 868th Post
wrong Thread sorry:banghead:



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Posted by Iain: Sat Feb 2nd, 2019 10:41 869th Post
Eric wrote:
wrong Thread sorry:banghead:
That's what happens as we get older. :lol:



Posted by Robert: Sat Feb 2nd, 2019 11:37 870th Post
That is a big difference, the forum software creates a mush, any subject with fine detail and texture is going to suffer.

Hasten to add, most if not all forums suffer the same image degradation.

The storage overhead over the years could become unsustainable over time to store larger files on the forum server.



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Posted by Robert: Sat Feb 2nd, 2019 11:39 871st Post
Eric wrote:
wrong Thread sorry:banghead:
If it helps the birding community it's not in the wrong place.



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Posted by Eric: Sat Feb 2nd, 2019 11:50 872nd Post
Robert wrote:
Eric wrote:
wrong Thread sorry:banghead:
If it helps the birding community it's not in the wrong place.

True but since you started a new thread on how to use Flickr ....better I put it there.



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Posted by blackfox: Sat Feb 2nd, 2019 14:28 873rd Post
now posted new thread



Posted by blackfox: Sat Feb 2nd, 2019 14:30 874th Post
that's irrelevant lovely shot



Posted by Graham Whistler: Sat Feb 2nd, 2019 19:10 875th Post
Nice pix Ian.
Yes I agree, pixs have always looked a lot better before loading on the Forum but I think we can still ejoy looking at others members work as we all suffer with the same loss of uploaded image quality.



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Posted by jk: Sun Feb 3rd, 2019 03:30 876th Post
Iain wrote:
There is a big difference
There certainly is!

It is all over the image but especially on the water droplets and top of the head.
The image quality is really crushed by the forum software.

I think we need to look again at this technically to find out what and why this is happening.
I dont have time at present but I am open to suggestions, help, alternatives.



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Posted by blackfox: Sun Feb 3rd, 2019 08:00 877th Post
one from me yesterday posted via flickr . I will do a off i.mac upload right after to after ..
flight practise by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by blackfox: Sun Feb 3rd, 2019 08:01 878th Post
direct upload off desktop

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Posted by blackfox: Sun Feb 3rd, 2019 08:03 879th Post
hmmm basically as sharp , but the red channel seems subdued . surely though it's far easier and cheaper for j.k to just upload via flickr , for one its a free account if kept too under 1000 images , its easy to use (apart from rob ) :no:that is . and although a smaller size if interested you can direct link back to flickr and get all the exif data if required (as long as its posted ) never felt the need to hide mine



Posted by Bob Bowen: Sun Feb 3rd, 2019 09:39 880th Post
On my 8 year old 27in cinema display Flicker looks better by far. Also I used Photo Mechanic when I was working in the Press world for sorting and captioning images, and still do to cull images before putting into LR. That programme has a direct upload tool for Flicker etc from the browser. Later no use if you don't have as it costs. Still have mine as a hangover but would not buy if retired and not tax deductable.



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Posted by blackfox: Sun Feb 3rd, 2019 11:54 881st Post
great tit in the woods yesterday

mossy logs always work by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by Eric: Sun Feb 3rd, 2019 14:06 882nd Post
blackfox wrote:
hmmm basically as sharp , but the red channel seems subdued . surely though it's far easier and cheaper for j.k to just upload via flickr , for one its a free account if kept too under 1000 images , its easy to use (apart from rob ) :no:that is . and although a smaller size if interested you can direct link back to flickr and get all the exif data if required (as long as its posted ) never felt the need to hide mine
On my screen there is a very visible difference in detail ...the feet, the eye the underwing are all softer on the direct upload.

o.O

I tend to agree that if the idea is to demonstrate the best execution of your image on the forum, then for the moment using Flickr is preferable.

I also think Graham's point is interesting. We tend to display our best wares in the gallery and more usually reserve the threads for photos that demonstrate a point being discussed....and therefore need not be top quality. The Bird thread has changed that to a degree because of the greater interest in perfecting and showing results.o.O



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Posted by Eric: Sun Feb 3rd, 2019 14:14 883rd Post
Clever little tit. Eating one 'handed” while hanging upside down....





A more sedate pose.....



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Posted by blackfox: Sun Feb 3rd, 2019 14:26 884th Post
yea I came back and woke you old fogeys up again :whip::whip::whip::lol:



Posted by Eric: Sun Feb 3rd, 2019 14:31 885th Post
A couple more from this morning.....






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Posted by Robert: Sun Feb 3rd, 2019 15:38 886th Post
Lovely Eric.

I like the one handed bit. Never seen anything like that before, except of course our 'Polly' parrot, who regularly ate food, peanuts and the like, held in it's claw.



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Posted by Robert: Sun Feb 3rd, 2019 15:39 887th Post
blackfox wrote:
yea I came back and woke you old fogeys up again :whip::whip::whip::lol:
Less of the "old fogies", Cheeky so and so! :lol:



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Posted by blackfox: Sun Feb 3rd, 2019 15:42 888th Post
I would have taken the left hand green twig out entirely Eric it's obvious it's been cloned



Posted by jk: Sun Feb 3rd, 2019 15:52 889th Post
Those are great Eric.
Lovely shot of the red and black thingy bird. You will need to tell me the name. Not a bull finch but maybe a male/female variant?

You really need to help me with the names.



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Posted by Eric: Sun Feb 3rd, 2019 16:21 890th Post
blackfox wrote:
I would have taken the left hand green twig out entirely Eric it's obvious it's been cloned
No cloning on any ...sorry, no cigar.



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Posted by Eric: Sun Feb 3rd, 2019 16:23 891st Post
jk wrote:
Those are great Eric.
Lovely shot of the red and black thingy bird. You will need to tell me the name. Not a bull finch but maybe a male/female variant?

You really need to help me with the names.

Male Bullfinch and Male Brambling



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Posted by jk: Sun Feb 3rd, 2019 21:13 892nd Post
Eric wrote:
jk wrote:
Those are great Eric.
Lovely shot of the red and black thingy bird. You will need to tell me the name. Not a bull finch but maybe a male/female variant?

You really need to help me with the names.

Male Bullfinch and Male Brambling

Didnt realise that male bullfinch was so short of blue.



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Posted by Eric: Mon Feb 4th, 2019 03:52 893rd Post
jk wrote:
Eric wrote:
jk wrote:
Those are great Eric.
Lovely shot of the red and black thingy bird. You will need to tell me the name. Not a bull finch but maybe a male/female variant?

You really need to help me with the names.

Male Bullfinch and Male Brambling

Didnt realise that male bullfinch was so short of blue.

Ah that may be me. The bird was in deep shade so I adjusted white balance to warm it up. May have over cooked it.


Better?



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Posted by Eric: Mon Feb 4th, 2019 04:58 894th Post
Unfortunately the lady Bullfinch was too distant and in the shade. So this is a heavy crop and not worth doing anything with....



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Posted by Iain: Tue Feb 5th, 2019 10:13 895th Post
Seems we have been a good few days for Bullfinch's.
DSC_4048 by Iain Clyne, on Flickr



Posted by Eric: Tue Feb 5th, 2019 16:22 896th Post
I think in every camera bag we should carry secateurs....



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Posted by Eric: Tue Feb 5th, 2019 16:26 897th Post
Iain wrote:
Seems we have been a good few days for Bullfinch's.
DSC_4048 by Iain Clyne, on Flickr

Very nice shot Iain. Interesting the colour difference between a bird shot in deep shade and open light. Perhaps I should go back and do some more white balance adjustment on mine. :-)



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Posted by blackfox: Tue Feb 5th, 2019 16:28 898th Post
surely that's the reason for Lightroom ??



Posted by Robert: Tue Feb 5th, 2019 16:44 899th Post
blackfox wrote:
surely that's the reason for Lightroom ??
Yer don't get Lr on an iPad, or if you do Eric seems to avoid it.

On second look It would take some cloning out in Lr... Go on, somebody clone it out. Lets have a competition to get rid of Eric's twig.



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Posted by Eric: Tue Feb 5th, 2019 16:53 900th Post
Robert wrote:
blackfox wrote:
surely that's the reason for Lightroom ??
Yer don't get Lr on an iPad, or if you do Eric seems to avoid it.

On second look It would take some cloning out in Lr... Go on, somebody clone it out. Lets have a competition to get rid of Eric's twig.

I use Affinity photo on iPad....far better than LR.

I was introducing a bit of light hearted banter. ;-)

Here's one I cloned earlier...



Getting an iPad pencil on Friday....it's wore out my finger doing that.:lol:



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Posted by Eric: Tue Feb 5th, 2019 17:31 901st Post
Managed to get a better shot of female Bullfinch today....



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Posted by Robert: Tue Feb 5th, 2019 17:44 902nd Post
That's really good Eric, how did you do that feather in the middle? I was going to have a go but I couldn't figure how to do that feather.

If it's that good perhaps I better unearth my iPad and load Affinity Photo.

Done it again!!!! :whip::whip::whip:

It did it one time too many, I changed to 50 posts per page. If it's a problem I will put it back to 20 but I'm fed up with commenting on a previous post to find it 's on the previous page.



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Posted by Eric: Tue Feb 5th, 2019 18:09 903rd Post
Robert wrote:
That's really good Eric, how did you do that feather in the middle? I was going to have a go but I couldn't figure how to do that feather.

If it's that good perhaps I better unearth my iPad and load Affinity Photo.

Done it again!!!! :whip::whip::whip:

It did it one time too many, I changed to 50 posts per page. If it's a problem I will put it back to 20 but I'm fed up with commenting on a previous post to find it 's on the previous page.

I hadn't done any cloning with Affinity until Jeff mentioned it. So I had a look at it for this image. Nothing like a challenge. :lol:

The biggest problem using an iPad is the accuracy using your finger. So I've ordered an apple pencil, which will give finer control like a digitiser tablet....the iPad becomes a touch Wacom. :thumbs:

As you know, I am Photoshop thru and thru but until they release a full version for iPad (supposedly this year) Im using what is widely acknowledged as the best iPad image editing suite. It does everything PS can do ...well the stuff we use regularly... although in slightly different ways that need some relearning.

Because of this I can't easily explain how I did the bit you are referring to...would need to demonstrate next time we met up.

:thumbs:



Have to say, this bird photography coupled with taming the iPad as a photo editor has proved a pleasant distraction post retirement. Still trying to master the techniques that get results like Iain and Jeff...but it's fun trying.

Here's another photo, which if you are quick, you can comment on before the next page :lol::lol:




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Posted by Eric: Tue Feb 5th, 2019 18:20 904th Post
Robert wrote:

It did it one time too many, I changed to 50 posts per page. If it's a problem I will put it back to 20 but I'm fed up with commenting on a previous post to find it 's on the previous page.


You may now have to go back and edit all your posts that ARE NOW on the right pages as the images.:lol:



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Posted by Robert: Tue Feb 5th, 2019 18:31 905th Post
I'll live with it, can't be assed to go back now. In any case JK, or someone may want to revert to 20 posts?

Very nice Pic.



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Tue Feb 5th, 2019 18:38 906th Post
Good retouching work and super pictures.:applause:



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Posted by blackfox: Wed Feb 6th, 2019 05:09 907th Post
grey wagtail on a dull grey day

just chillin' by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by jk: Wed Feb 6th, 2019 05:32 908th Post
Make sure you get the right pencil. They now do two models. One for 1st generation iPad Pro and a different one for the new 2nd generation iPad Pro. They are not interchangeable!



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Wed Feb 6th, 2019 05:44 909th Post
Jeff that is a super pin sharp photo and colour spot on, love it!



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Posted by jk: Wed Feb 6th, 2019 06:38 910th Post
Graham Whistler wrote: Jeff that is a super pin sharp photo and colour spot on, love it!
Yes it really is super sharp.  Great shot.
This is something I keep meaning to ask everyone.

How do you sharpen?
What software?
What are your typical settings?
Do you use a formula or just do it by eye?



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Posted by Iain: Wed Feb 6th, 2019 08:23 911th Post
A dunnock from today.

DSC_4205 by Iain Clyne, on Flickr



Posted by Graham Whistler: Wed Feb 6th, 2019 08:35 912th Post
Ian another super pix I must get my camera out!!



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Posted by Eric: Wed Feb 6th, 2019 08:36 913th Post
jk wrote:
Make sure you get the right pencil. They now do two models. One for 1st generation iPad Pro and a different one for the new 2nd generation iPad Pro. They are not interchangeable! yup...already made that mistake, returned for replacement, just arrived :applause:



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Posted by Iain: Thu Feb 7th, 2019 09:02 914th Post
Two form today. They look so much better posting them from Flickr.

Eric, this Bullfinch isn't as strong a red as the other. Its amazing the variations of marking/colour in the same species.

DSC_4240 by Iain Clyne, on Flickr

DSC_4232-Edit by Iain Clyne, on Flickr



Posted by blackfox: Thu Feb 7th, 2019 09:58 915th Post
a quick hour down the estuary for me today , and a nicely posing greenshank

the king of the cut by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by blackfox: Thu Feb 7th, 2019 13:01 916th Post
and another one :doh:

the green green grass by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by blackfox: Thu Feb 7th, 2019 13:03 917th Post
why thank you kind sir , I toned the p.p down a bit now .. still a learning curve with this one o.O



Posted by blackfox: Thu Feb 7th, 2019 14:06 918th Post
just been playing with uploaded sizes on flickr ,, here's first one at 1600 pixels wide
the trots by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr

HMMM displays no differently on here but a lot more impact on flickr



Posted by Robert: Thu Feb 7th, 2019 14:22 919th Post
blackfox wrote:
HMMM displays no differently on here but a lot more impact on flickr
Both at the same size?

There is quite a bit of shadowy plumage below and behind the neck, which has potential to get blurred by noise...



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Posted by Iain: Thu Feb 7th, 2019 16:28 920th Post
Nice shots Jeff.



Posted by blackfox: Thu Feb 7th, 2019 17:49 921st Post
Normally rob I upload to Flickr at 1024 or 1400 pixels after a chat with m6 lad we came to the conclusion that due to Flickr downsizing all uploads then 2048 would be more logical .. of course that is also affected by the size of your own viewing screen ,but with the advent of ever larger screens I think it's needed . But as always that's subject to change :sick::banghead::banghead:



Posted by blackfox: Thu Feb 7th, 2019 17:54 922nd Post
All my p.p is done initially in lightroom , then exported to p.s where I layer the image ,apply n/r to the background£ layer , resize for the net , then apply sharpening to the subject as needed using smart sharpen ,

On a straightforward. Image it usually takes around 3 minutes from raw file to finished photo



Posted by Eric: Thu Feb 7th, 2019 18:29 923rd Post
iPad pencil arrived.... and working. Now just need some more photos to use it on.



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Posted by jk: Thu Feb 7th, 2019 18:42 924th Post
Which iPadPro do you have Gen1 or 2?
I will be interested to hear how you get on.



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Posted by Eric: Thu Feb 7th, 2019 18:48 925th Post
jk wrote:
Graham Whistler wrote: Jeff that is a super pin sharp photo and colour spot on, love it!
Yes it really is super sharp.  Great shot.
This is something I keep meaning to ask everyone.

How do you sharpen?
What software?
What are your typical settings?
Do you use a formula or just do it by eye?


Probably out of step with everyone else as I am trying to leave behind the desktop and work exclusively on an iPad. It's they way forward but still lagging behind desktop processing ( Photoshop and Lightroom) at the moment. Until full PS is available on iPad I am persevering with Affinity.

Historically on the desktop I used high pass filter and mid contrast sharpening techniques I created and made into PS Actions. Of course they don't work in Affinity ...so I need to revisit the sequences and see if they can be recreated in Affinity. In the meantime, I am doing very little sharpening while I am getting to grips with basic techniques and new equipment!.

I have used the Clarity (or 'make more noise slider') sparingly and of course unsharp mask....but mainly on a brush rather than global, and just enough to make a difference. I've never used any PS adjustments more than 20%...on the basis that if it needs more adjustment, it was wrong in the camera. I've yet to translate this mantra onto Affinity's interface sliders.





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Posted by Eric: Thu Feb 7th, 2019 18:57 926th Post
jk wrote:
Which iPadPro do you have Gen1 or 2?
I will be interested to hear how you get on.

It's the 12.9". 2nd Generation 512gb.

The missus has been using one on her iPad. There are two negatives...the clicking noise of the pencil on the screen and I've discovered it doesn't set the 'source point' for cloning. I still have to touch the screen to select the source and then the pencil with clone as normal.

I suspect the second generation pencil will solve this as it has double tap options which may offer more. But of course that needs a different iPad.:whip:

On a positive note there are les finger marks on the glass. :lol:



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Fri Feb 8th, 2019 02:51 927th Post
Jeff and Ian super photos thanks for sharing them with us. It's about time this project got a star rating from one of our watchers?



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Posted by Robert: Fri Feb 8th, 2019 03:05 928th Post
Indeed, one of the 24,238 watchers, I don't think they are all unique views, many must be return visits.

It would be nice if some visitors would join in and comment, somebody out there keeps coming back to view Grahams outstanding thread and all the contributions.

Well done, many outstanding images, a ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ thread.



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Posted by jk: Fri Feb 8th, 2019 05:07 929th Post
Eric wrote:
jk wrote:
Which iPadPro do you have Gen1 or 2?
I will be interested to hear how you get on.

It's the 12.9". 2nd Generation 512gb.

The missus has been using one on her iPad. There are two negatives...the clicking noise of the pencil on the screen and I've discovered it doesn't set the 'source point' for cloning. I still have to touch the screen to select the source and then the pencil with clone as normal.

I suspect the second generation pencil will solve this as it has double tap options which may offer more. But of course that needs a different iPad.:whip:

On a positive note there are les finger marks on the glass. :lol:

You can turn off the click sound.



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Posted by Eric: Fri Feb 8th, 2019 06:25 930th Post
jk wrote:
Eric wrote:
jk wrote:
Which iPadPro do you have Gen1 or 2?
I will be interested to hear how you get on.

It's the 12.9". 2nd Generation 512gb.

The missus has been using one on her iPad. There are two negatives...the clicking noise of the pencil on the screen and I've discovered it doesn't set the 'source point' for cloning. I still have to touch the screen to select the source and then the pencil with clone as normal.

I suspect the second generation pencil will solve this as it has double tap options which may offer more. But of course that needs a different iPad.:whip:

On a positive note there are les finger marks on the glass. :lol:

You can turn off the click sound.

It's not the click so much as plastic tip tapping the glass:whip:



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Posted by Robert: Fri Feb 8th, 2019 06:56 931st Post
Eric wrote:
It's not the click so much as plastic tip tapping the glass:whip:
Ear defenders? o.O :lol:



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Posted by Robert: Fri Feb 8th, 2019 10:22 932nd Post
Test image

A Harris's Hawk, from Graham, passed through Ps and saved without the ADOBE Colour settings. Frankly I cant see any difference between the two images?

Harrris's Hawk 3 by Robert, on Flickr

This is as Graham sent it to me, I have been unable to post this image via the forum software.

Harrris's Hawk1771 by Robert, on Flickr

I was unable to post any versions of the image via the forum software for some reason, as I hit the post button I get a screen full of gobbleygook.

Nice Hawk Graham.

Perhaps I might suggest doing a quick process from the original NEF, or an adjacent file from the camera to see if it's just this one file. I can open it here easily, it's just when I try to post it with the forum software. I can post other images via the forum software, just not the Hawk, despite saving it again as a JPEG from Photoshop. I don't really want to take it into Lr if I can help it, Ps should be able to save a valid file.

Perhaps it's worth trying to save is as a TIFF? Might try later, I'm coughing and sneezing fit to bust right now.



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Posted by Eric: Fri Feb 8th, 2019 11:25 933rd Post
There's a tiny bit more contrast in the bottom image. The birds 'cheeks' are lighter but the background greenery is darker. The tail feather whites are also minutely whiter. But I am probably being a bit anal.

That's a lovely bird. It's body looks bigger than a normal Harris hawk...perhaps cos it's fanning its tail?



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Fri Feb 8th, 2019 14:13 934th Post
Robert thanks for that never had that happen before: Pix was taken with D500 and my old friend 80-400 mm AF-S lens



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Posted by jk: Fri Feb 8th, 2019 15:27 935th Post
Eric wrote:
There's a tiny bit more contrast in the bottom image. The birds 'cheeks' are lighter but the background greenery is darker. The tail feather whites are also minutely whiter. But I am probably being a bit anal.

That's a lovely bird. It's body looks bigger than a normal Harris hawk...perhaps cos it's fanning its tail?

Agree.

Look at third tail feather from left. The grey splodge at base of feather is less detailed in upper image. Tiny differences!



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sat Feb 9th, 2019 06:35 936th Post
Could only get a Starling on my garden posing stick this morning.

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sat Feb 9th, 2019 06:36 937th Post
From a higher angle you can see my naughty trick. Robert these files load spot on no problems.

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sat Feb 9th, 2019 06:39 938th Post
Sadly light gone now so this is at 5000 ISO and it shows! Nikon D850 with 500mm and x1.4.

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Posted by blackfox: Sat Feb 9th, 2019 15:00 939th Post
another practice shot from this morning , pics are coming out over saturated even in raw , I have now changed the colour setting to neutral to try and get this right ...old camera mixed with new p.p I suppose will get it right one way or another

flight control by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by blackfox: Sat Feb 9th, 2019 15:02 940th Post
lovely graham , we all feed the birds o.O



Posted by jk: Sun Feb 10th, 2019 03:28 941st Post
Great shots Graham and Jeff.



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sun Feb 10th, 2019 06:22 942nd Post
Up early this morning to see what comes into our garden at first light. This Goldfinch was taken with D850 and usual 700mm lens 1/200 sec VR hand held f13 1600ISO

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sun Feb 10th, 2019 06:24 943rd Post
Same set-up a few moments later on the posing stick. Raining again, used memery recall on the 500mm PF lens even in dull light it can save the day, the bird was only there for a few seconds.

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Posted by blackfox: Sun Feb 10th, 2019 10:09 944th Post
nice shots graham



Posted by Graham Whistler: Sun Feb 10th, 2019 10:46 945th Post
This afternoon at last the Goldfinch landed on my posing perch. 4 hours waiting today to get this pix!

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sun Feb 10th, 2019 10:50 946th Post
Blue Tit came too!

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Posted by blackfox: Sun Feb 10th, 2019 11:14 947th Post
lovely graham especially the goldfinch ..



Posted by blackfox: Sun Feb 10th, 2019 13:25 948th Post
a few weeks to the camera settings and things have come along nicely , one from this afternoon , fieldfare and grub ... taken from the mobile kia Sportage hide

the fare of the field by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by jk: Sun Feb 10th, 2019 16:20 949th Post
Haaha. Kia Sportage hide!
Nice shot.



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Posted by blackfox: Mon Feb 11th, 2019 12:38 950th Post
nuthatch from today , made a few adjustments to camera settings that really seemed to have changed the whole dynamics of the camera ,, its been a case of re-adjusting to how I used to do things ,, falling into place nicely now

hanger on by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr

NUTTY by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by Graham Whistler: Mon Feb 11th, 2019 17:31 951st Post
Good pixs again Jeff you are way out with colour balance again! This is a newly fledged one only 30 sec out from nest, D500 with 80-400mm Nikon lens

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Posted by blackfox: Mon Feb 11th, 2019 18:00 952nd Post
That looks all pale and washed out on my I.mac and I.pad graham , each to there own I suppose , it s only a hobby , what I can't understand and with no disrespects IF I was that far out on colour balance then surely someone else who views my photos would have picked up on it on Flickr , to my knowledge your the only one that has raised a doubt and that's out of over 7million photo views on Flickr



Posted by Graham Whistler: Tue Feb 12th, 2019 04:56 953rd Post
I have worked as an advertising photographer for many years and if I did not know how to get colour balance spot on I would have no clients! My Lacie 324 pro monitor is profiled to give perfect colour balance so your Mac must be way out and needs sorting. That Nuthatch photo was in the RPS Exhibition so I can tell you the judges there are very fussy about colour: QED

Your Nikon if set correctly will give spot on colour every time and over the years with many Nikon Pro DSLRs I have never had to correct colur balance in post production. You can see what others do on this forum, plenty of good colour balance from 95% of members!

Please get it right or you will be laughed at your photography is good and needs simple corrected colour not hard to do.



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Tue Feb 12th, 2019 04:56 954th Post
Jeff if you look at your Greenshanks pixs I can tell you that colour is spot on. Sorry to go on about this but the Nuthatch pixs are way out and all I am trying to do is offer you help.



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Posted by blackfox: Tue Feb 12th, 2019 06:06 955th Post
I appreciate that graham , all I can say is they must be better fed up here ..:doh:

as a matter of interest graham I have done the another shot from the same set , which apart from cropping to the same size is TOTALLY UN-EDITED , yes there is a slight difference but no where near as extreme as your version of one , btw if it makes any difference mine were shot in full direct sunlight .. all I do is enhance slightly to bring out details . but certainly not enough to get laughed at

unedited by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr

and below edited version
NUTTY by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by Eric: Tue Feb 12th, 2019 06:27 956th Post
Of course lighting has a lot to do with it as well. That fledgling photo was no doubt taken in Spring lighting?

This is a d500 photo (one of my first attempts!) ....jpeg... straight out of the camera in low afternoon winter light. No post capture adjustments whatsoever.



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Posted by blackfox: Tue Feb 12th, 2019 06:53 957th Post
you using that colour enhancing seed again Eric :lol::lol:



Posted by Iain: Tue Feb 12th, 2019 09:08 958th Post
This was taken today in bright light soc checked on a calibrated screen and posted to Flickr.

DSC_4415 by Iain Clyne, on Flickr

and another from today,

DSC_4395 by Iain Clyne, on Flickr



Posted by blackfox: Tue Feb 12th, 2019 09:19 959th Post
super shots iain , looking at both erics , iains and mine and comparing them their seems to be very little if any difference in colours ..so once again over to you graham ..

I will add that initially my pics were a touch over saturated but I think I have tamed the beast to the point of I'm happy with the results .. and time will tell o.O



Posted by Graham Whistler: Tue Feb 12th, 2019 09:25 960th Post
Eric and Ians are spot on. This was the poor tatty worn out mum feeding the young 1/2 hr before they fledged.

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Posted by Eric: Tue Feb 12th, 2019 13:56 961st Post
Iain wrote:
This was taken today in bright light soc checked on a calibrated screen and posted to Flickr.<br />
<br />
<A HREF="https://flic.kr/p/Szvi2N" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7822/33196998308_b4a79c5083_b.jpg" BORDER="0" ALT=""></A><A HREF="https://flic.kr/p/Szvi2N" TARGET="_blank">DSC_4415</A> by <A HREF="https://www.flickr.com/photos/145889210@N06/" TARGET="_blank">Iain Clyne</A>, on Flickr<br />
<br />
and another from today,<br />
<br />
<A HREF="https://flic.kr/p/2eHA5fH" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7832/47071954981_e1f8d54a85_b.jpg" BORDER="0" ALT=""></A><A HREF="https://flic.kr/p/2eHA5fH" TARGET="_blank">DSC_4395</A> by <A HREF="https://www.flickr.com/photos/145889210@N06/" TARGET="_blank">Iain Clyne</A>, on Flickr

Is that a juvenile Reed Bunt, Iain?



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Posted by Iain: Tue Feb 12th, 2019 16:33 962nd Post
First year female.



Posted by Eric: Wed Feb 13th, 2019 04:31 963rd Post
Iain wrote:
First year female.
:thumbs:


You had me panicking and flicking through Cirl and Ortlan before reason took over. :lol:


I had a Chiffchaff on my water bath yesterday. Took me by surprise this early...so no camera to hand. I understand some do overwinter now, or...i was told it may be a Siberian one making its journey via UK.

I shouted “добро пожаловать” (welcome) but it b*ggered off. So I am guessing it was a UK bird.



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Posted by Iain: Wed Feb 13th, 2019 09:02 964th Post
Eric wrote:
:thumbs:


You had me panicking and flicking through Cirl and Ortlan before reason took over. :lol:


I had a Chiffchaff on my water bath yesterday. Took me by surprise this early...so no camera to hand. I understand some do overwinter now, or...i was told it may be a Siberian one making its journey via UK.

I shouted “добро пожаловать” (welcome) but it b*ggered off. So I am guessing it was a UK bird.

We have a lot of over wintering one up here which surprised me as it's that bit colder up here.



Posted by Eric: Wed Feb 13th, 2019 09:03 965th Post
Iain wrote:
We have a lot of over wintering one up here which surprised me as it's that bit colder up here.
Global warming?o.O



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Posted by Iain: Wed Feb 13th, 2019 09:06 966th Post
Eric wrote:
Global warming?o.O
:lol: either that or they have all bought polar fleeces :lol:



Posted by Graham Whistler: Wed Feb 13th, 2019 14:29 967th Post
Bird Brain? Wendy gave me this "fun" pres for a serious photographer of birds. According to info they take no notice of you and just get on with eating the food you kindly leave out every day.
I duly set myself up this afternoon at peak feeding time. First the Starlings arrived and sat at the end of the garden in the highest tree making one hell of a noise. I focused camera on my posing stick checked exposure and after 5 mins they flew off never to be seen again today! Later nearly dark and by now 3/4 hour standing still my 78 yrs was letting me know it was hot cup of tea time. Then the Golfinches came and perched in a slightly closer little tree, as per normal.(set 5000 ISO) One flew down saw me, the whole lot took of & went to bed hungry.

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Posted by blackfox: Wed Feb 13th, 2019 14:35 968th Post
probably because your colour balance was wrong :devil: :devil: :lol:



Posted by blackfox: Wed Feb 13th, 2019 14:36 969th Post
one from this afternoon . in poor light

passing through by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr

what up doc by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by Eric: Wed Feb 13th, 2019 15:24 970th Post
Graham Whistler wrote:
Bird Brain? Wendy gave me this "fun" pres for a serious photographer of birds. According to info they take no notice of you and just get on with eating the food you kindly leave out every day.
I duly set myself up this afternoon at peak feeding time. First the Starlings arrived and sat at the end of the garden in the highest tree making one hell of a noise. I focused camera on my posing stick checked exposure and after 5 mins they flew off never to be seen again today! Later nearly dark and by now 3/4 hour standing still my 78 yrs was letting me know it was hot cup of tea time. Then the Golfinches came and perched in a slightly closer little tree, as per normal.(set 5000 ISO) One flew down saw me, the whole lot took of & went to bed hungry.

Brilliant! Surely you have room for a chair under there?

All that's missing is a pair of gloves...

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Posted by blackfox: Wed Feb 13th, 2019 15:31 971st Post
I have one of the mesh versions of that ,totally unused ,I now realise why its never been unwrapped :lol::lol:



Posted by jk: Wed Feb 13th, 2019 16:07 972nd Post
Graham Whistler wrote:
Bird Brain? Wendy gave me this "fun" pres for a serious photographer of birds. According to info they take no notice of you and just get on with eating the food you kindly leave out every day.
I duly set myself up this afternoon at peak feeding time. First the Starlings arrived and sat at the end of the garden in the highest tree making one hell of a noise. I focused camera on my posing stick checked exposure and after 5 mins they flew off never to be seen again today! Later nearly dark and by now 3/4 hour standing still my 78 yrs was letting me know it was hot cup of tea time. Then the Golfinches came and perched in a slightly closer little tree, as per normal.(set 5000 ISO) One flew down saw me, the whole lot took of & went to bed hungry.

I think that I would be scared as well.
Reminds me of a quote from Macbeth..... something about the woods at Dunsinane moving! :lol:



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Posted by jk: Wed Feb 13th, 2019 16:09 973rd Post
Jeff, the first owl picture is fine but the second looks strange (owl stuck on background). I guess it is the white edging around the owl.
Both shots super sharp.



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Posted by Iain: Wed Feb 13th, 2019 16:18 974th Post
Graham Whistler wrote:
Bird Brain? Wendy gave me this "fun" pres for a serious photographer of birds. According to info they take no notice of you and just get on with eating the food you kindly leave out every day.
I duly set myself up this afternoon at peak feeding time. First the Starlings arrived and sat at the end of the garden in the highest tree making one hell of a noise. I focused camera on my posing stick checked exposure and after 5 mins they flew off never to be seen again today! Later nearly dark and by now 3/4 hour standing still my 78 yrs was letting me know it was hot cup of tea time. Then the Golfinches came and perched in a slightly closer little tree, as per normal.(set 5000 ISO) One flew down saw me, the whole lot took of & went to bed hungry.

I think the Goldfinches might of been flying off laughing saying “look at that silly old bu***r he thinks we can't see him”. :lol:



Posted by Eric: Wed Feb 13th, 2019 17:27 975th Post
jk wrote:
I think that I would be scared as well.
Reminds me of a quote from Macbeth..... something about the woods at Dunsinane moving! :lol:


“...until Great Birnam Wood to high Dunsinane Hill shall come against him."


I think we should rewrite it ...until Great Whistler Wood ....:lol::lol:



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Wed Feb 13th, 2019 18:10 976th Post
Thanks for your comments! Yes plenty of room for camera and tripod and seat. I tried it in the summer but had let it - me inthe garden all day and I got good pictures of our two very shy Jackdaws. If you sat in shade in a bush it would work well.



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Posted by blackfox: Thu Feb 14th, 2019 05:40 977th Post
short eared owl going in for the kill .

death from above by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by jk: Thu Feb 14th, 2019 08:08 978th Post
Good catch.
Field mouse?



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Posted by Eric: Thu Feb 14th, 2019 13:50 979th Post
Graham Whistler wrote:
Thanks for your comments! Yes plenty of room for camera and tripod and seat. I tried it in the summer but had let it - me inthe garden all day and I got good pictures of our two very shy Jackdaws. If you sat in shade in a bush it would work well.
Graham I should just advise you that you can only use that cover on your own property!

If you go out and use it in public locations, the police may charge you with 'Loitering within tent'.

:lol:



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Posted by blackfox: Thu Feb 14th, 2019 16:20 980th Post
voles 14 miles x 3 miles of salt marsh heaving in goodies ,,, my best from today of the shorties leave the male hen harrier for now

highlights of the day by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by blackfox: Fri Feb 15th, 2019 13:07 981st Post
new camera arrived today a D7200 ,took it out for a test run , and pleased with the results so far , came home and done a small micro adjust and learned how to change focus points etc .. very pleased with the lack of noise and fast response .. nice and light and seems to do the job .far better metering system ( GRAHAM) and iso levels and will do for my needs
branch line by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by blackfox: Sat Feb 16th, 2019 14:06 982nd Post
one from today day 2 with the d7200 , looks like a good buy ?

misty cream by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by Iain: Sun Feb 17th, 2019 05:01 983rd Post
That look good Jeff. Nothing wrong with the D7200, I used it for wildlife before I got the D500



Posted by Graham Whistler: Sun Feb 17th, 2019 11:00 984th Post
Yes sitting down works, with back to house in Bird Brain outfit just 19 feet from posing stick. This is nearly all the frame hardly any crop D850 700mm.

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Posted by blackfox: Mon Feb 18th, 2019 05:42 985th Post
one from yesterday , flock of turnstones in flight , don't recall ever having got them in flight before .
birds of a feather by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by Graham Whistler: Mon Feb 18th, 2019 08:33 986th Post
Well done Jeff that is an award winning pix 10 out of 10 if I was judjing in a comp! Colour balance is spot on as is your focus. Keep up the good work.



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Posted by blackfox: Mon Feb 18th, 2019 10:45 987th Post
cheers graham , I suspect the metering was out on the other body or just due to age ... this D7200 is giving extremely good results from the off .



Posted by blackfox: Mon Feb 18th, 2019 10:48 988th Post
and another shot from Saturday, this is a massive crop to so I'm quite impressed
stoney broke by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by jk: Mon Feb 18th, 2019 13:39 989th Post
blackfox wrote:
one from yesterday , flock of turnstones in flight , don't recall ever having got them in flight before .
birds of a feather by jeff and jan  cohen, on Flickr
That is, as Graham says, a really stunning shot.



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Posted by blackfox: Mon Feb 18th, 2019 14:59 990th Post
thanks jk .

another short eared owl from sat .all shots taken handheld btw forgot my tripod

quartering the cut by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by Eric: Mon Feb 18th, 2019 15:45 991st Post
Just testing iPad 



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Posted by Eric: Thu Feb 21st, 2019 09:53 992nd Post
One from a couple of weeks back I forgot to post...



And one from the garden....



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Posted by jk: Thu Feb 21st, 2019 09:57 993rd Post
Nice shot Eric.
Sharpness is certainly there.
How much PP are you doing?



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Posted by Eric: Thu Feb 21st, 2019 10:14 994th Post
jk wrote:
Nice shot Eric.
Sharpness is certainly there.
How much PP are you doing?
None on the Dove photo ...just cropped a tad. None on the Brambling itself....but I couldn't resist losing the branch behind it in the original....



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Posted by blackfox: Thu Feb 21st, 2019 12:30 995th Post
kestrel from today , drying off . lots more to follow

air dryer by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by Eric: Thu Feb 21st, 2019 13:50 996th Post
blackfox wrote:
kestrel from today , drying off . lots more to follow

air dryer by jeff and jan  cohen, on Flickr
Nice capture Jeff. They always fly off when I pull over.



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Posted by blackfox: Thu Feb 21st, 2019 14:05 997th Post
I simply walked up to it Eric , no camo gear just jeans and a sweatshirt it was that warm , and it looked down in disdain at me



Posted by jk: Fri Feb 22nd, 2019 06:46 998th Post
Lovely picture of the dove Eric.

I guess it is a collared dove.



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Posted by blackfox: Fri Feb 22nd, 2019 15:06 999th Post
had a surprise visit from rob and his son today , and I took them on a quick (all day ) guided tour of the north Wales hotspots , aided by glorious sunshine and extra high tides . my highlight was this lovely purple sandpiper performing its dodge the waves dance .
here by the sea and sand by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr



Posted by jk: Fri Feb 22nd, 2019 16:55 1000th Post
Great image Jeff.
Love sandpipers and the way they scurry around.
Love the colours (spot on for me).



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