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| Posted: Thu May 24th, 2018 12:01 |
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Iain
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I'm lucky in that Kay is still working so time is my own.
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| Posted: Thu May 24th, 2018 12:37 |
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102nd Post |
Graham Whistler
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Eric we also lawn full of baby starlings in rain today camera had 500mm on too large so close. Great Little Owl pix Ian.
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| Posted: Thu May 24th, 2018 14:44 |
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103rd Post |
Eric
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Think I will send Jan back out to work. Having just had car serviced and discovered it really needs a complete set of boots, it would have a double advantage. 
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| Posted: Fri May 25th, 2018 17:15 |
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104th Post |
Graham Whistler
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I have been testing the D850 with the big 500mm AF-S f4 lens for first time with the x1.4 extender giving a 700mm lens. Depth of field is a serious problem and even at f9 focus must be spot on. This was dull light today so 1250 ISO and 1/800 sec at f9 hand held. Even with the x1.4 extender the Sparrow is not even 1/2 of the total frame size. Attachment: Sparrow1095.jpg (Downloaded 35 times)
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| Posted: Sat May 26th, 2018 07:13 |
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105th Post |
Eric
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Graham Whistler wrote:I have been testing the D850 with the big 500mm AF-S f4 lens for first time with the x1.4 extender giving a 700mm lens. Depth of field is a serious problem and even at f9 focus must be spot on. This was dull light today so 1250 ISO and 1/800 sec at f9 hand held. Even with the x1.4 extender the Sparrow is not even 1/2 of the total frame size. Well that's a pretty decent shot...despite your reservations about cropping. No noise issue...sharp on the eye....even a highlight in the eye! Lovely IQ. Thinking aloud...... It's normally ideal to fill the frame in the camera. But when the subject is moving erratically and quickly it's harder to keep a full frame subject framed. So one HAS to back off magnification to be able to follow movement. This inevitable means cropping of the final image....and therefore the quality of the sensors pixels and noise control become more important. Of course this is true for birds in flight also, but these tend to be bigger birds. So in some ways having longer lenses or getting closer with lesser tele lenses may not be the key to getting best shots from smaller birds. Getting the little b@@@ers to stay still, knowing their location and probable movements are bigger contributors....along with best sensor. I am there leaning towards your preferred combination D850 with 80-400mm and 1.4tc. Although reading some US photographers take on this, they go one stage further. They suggest the bigger pixels of the D5 give better low light performance and reduced noise levels even superior to the D850 even when cropped! Interesting thought.
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| Posted: Sat May 26th, 2018 07:24 |
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Iain
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There are two thing in what you say Eric, 1. I am now taking even small birds with space around then to give an idea of the environment they live in so I dont need to fil;l the frame. 2.While the D5 would, in my opinion,would give everything you need for wildlife photography there is still the issue that it is FF so you need to get closer for the shots or crop more.
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| Posted: Sat May 26th, 2018 08:00 |
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107th Post |
Eric
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Iain wrote:There are two thing in what you say Eric, I will try and find the article that I read Iain. It was interesting because it compared D5, D850 and the D500 in wildlife situations. The conclusion was indeed that the advantage of the D500 was obviously the DX multiplier. But when light levels were low, the noise levels of the D500 were a little higher than the D850 but a lot higher than the D5. So in situations where you needed to use high iso you were better off using the D5 and cropping. Interestingly he was of the view that the extra pixels of the D850 didn't best the D5. He felt the old chestnut of 'bigger pixels are better' still came up trumps. I know it's a different generation but I wonder if you have got a view about the D4 in low light situations compared to the D500? Which wins at say 3000 iso....a D500 or a cropped D4? PS....I think your cropping is just right. You put the bird in the habitat to give a more interesting image. 
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| Posted: Sat May 26th, 2018 08:22 |
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108th Post |
Iain
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The D4 is better than the D500 in low light and I would say that full frame the IQ is better two but when you come the cropping the advantage is lost.
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| Posted: Sat May 26th, 2018 09:19 |
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Eric
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Iain wrote:The D4 is better than the D500 in low light and I would say that full frame the IQ is better two but when you come the cropping the advantage is lost. Maybe the extra mp of the D5 tip the balance? Bit academic ....as I have no intention of getting a D5.
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| Posted: Sat May 26th, 2018 10:22 |
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110th Post |
Iain
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If I had the money I'd risk one or if someone offered to buy me one I'm sure I could manage to accept it.
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