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Posted: Mon Dec 14th, 2020 09:30
 
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The D500 is great in good light like Richard has in Oz. Here in the uk if it's dull I reach for the D3. 

Unfortunately I can't afford a D850. :praying:

 




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I am disappointed that the D500 being great to almost useless due to noise is a step that occurs at such low ISO.  It is little better than the D300 in this aspect but the AF is so good that it does justify the upgrade tag.
The D850 is the new D3S. I never upgraded to the D4 or D5 as I just thought the D3S was so good the D4 seemed like a high cost upgrade for little value and while the D5 has great AF once you get used to the D850 it is just as good for my use.



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jk wrote:
I am disappointed that the D500 being great to almost useless due to noise is a step that occurs at such low ISO.  It is little better than the D300 in this aspect but the AF is so good that it does justify the upgrade tag.
The D850 is the new D3S. I never upgraded to the D4 or D5 as I just thought the D3S was so good the D4 seemed like a high cost upgrade for little value and while the D5 has great AF once you get used to the D850 it is just as good for my use.

I'm sad that my dodgy ticker forced me into leaving nikon  I was getting some good stuff . I had just acquired a really good D3S if you remember which I had to send back as I  can no longer handle the weight . needs must I suppose and im still here taking pics within my own limitations .. happy xmas all

 




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jk wrote:
I am disappointed that the D500 being great to almost useless due to noise is a step that occurs at such low ISO.  It is little better than the D300 in this aspect but the AF is so good that it does justify the upgrade tag.
The D850 is the new D3S. I never upgraded to the D4 or D5 as I just thought the D3S was so good the D4 seemed like a high cost upgrade for little value and while the D5 has great AF once you get used to the D850 it is just as good for my use.

My relationship with the D500 is a bit love hate and seems to be more hate than love. I think that FF is better but it's finding a compromise that I can afford. A D810 or D750 or D4 they have all been in my thoughts and all in my price range but as of yet I can't make my mind up.

Any advice would be appreciated.

 




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I think if you do birds, sports and news then the D500 is great if it had better high ISO noise handling.
The D850 is great but if you want a long lens for sports or birds then it gets expensive.  I would advise anyone wanting a landscape camera to go for either the Z7 or the D850.

I have no experience of the D750 as I already had the D600 and was and still am very happy with it but I prefer my Fuji (DX/APS-C) cameras as they are all 26MP and have superb lenses.
The old mantra of DX for sports and animals, FX for landscape and humans still holds.
The D500 in great light works brilliantly and it was great in Spain or Australia (look at Richard's bird images) where the light is so much brighter but here in UK it definitely a lesser camera.



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I already had the D600 and was and still am very happy with it
What is it that you find good about it?



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chrisbet wrote:
What is it that you find good about it?
It is not so heavy and bulky as my D850 and its files are still pretty good.  I tend to use it less now I have the D800 and D850 but the 24MP files are neither so large that a big shoot takes up a large chunk of hard disk space no too low in resolution to look grainy.   The results are slightly better in good light than my D3S but in poor light the D3S is less noisy.  AF speed seems similar as well but the D3S is a little surer!  Since the D750 was larger and the same MP it is one of the reasons I didnt bother with it but went for the D800 then D850.  The quality out of the D850 and the speed of AF is excellent.  I think Nikon will struggle to improve it.

There are advantages with mirrorless over DSLR but the same is also true in reverse.  Horses for courses.



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My D500 never gets used now, unless I have a sudden impulse to test it reassure myself the D850 is a 'better' camera.

I've always been a one camera person, only hanging onto an alternative while I make up my mind which one I prefer to use. 

By 'prefer', that invariably relates to handling of the camera just as much as the images it takes. I hung onto my D3 for many years because it just felt right and delivered faultlessly at 12mp. I had the D300 at the same time and sold it, despite it being an exceptionally good camera....because the D3 all round worked best.

Let's face it, most of today's DSLRs are more than adequate for our needs .....because it's getting the lighting, framing and your preparedness right,  that capture the image. 

If the lighting is poor, switching to a camera that has minor ISO advantage is never going to satisfy. It's the light that's wrong....change it or if outdoors choose another day.



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I have lost a bit of faith in the D500 and still prefer full frame. 
So still thinking.

 




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Iain wrote:
I have lost a bit of faith in the D500 and still prefer full frame. 
So still thinking.

I wouldn't go for a D750 for birding.
Despite what I just said about most modern DSLRs being good for our purposes, the D750 buffer was lacking.
Even taking indoor room setting shots (with copious bracketing) I found myself having to wait for the buffer to clear.

It was however one of the earliest models and SD cards were slower back then. Maybe they upgraded the firmware, perhaps newer cards have helped it? Worth testing that specific feature before buying.

Felt lovely in the hand though.

That's what endeared me to the D850...it has the same deep grip that feels more balanced in the hand than the D500 ...and many other bodies.



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