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Posted: Wed Dec 16th, 2020 07:26
 
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I agree with Eric.
The D750 is not a cheaper D850 but an earlier lesser model from 2014, that hasnt had the latest tech from 2016 as applied to the D500 and D850.

Many people really like the D750 and it is very good IQ but as Eric says the buffer is not enough for fast shooting or action.  It is great for home use and the odd portrait and landscape but for serious use and professional day to day use it is lacking.



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The D4, despite opinions to the contrary, is a good upgrade from the D3. The focusing seems more capable and an extra 4MP makes a difference when cropping. The down side is that the EN-EL18 battery is massively over priced, the focus point joystick cover for vertical (portrait format) shooting is very easily displaced and a Nikon replacement is expensive but a cheap cap is £8 and easily fitted. XQD cards are very expensive, but still cheaper than CFExpress cards.

I have two D4 bodies and I prefer the output to that of the D3. If you really can't afford a D850 the D4 is a good option and is very solid.

 




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GeoffR wrote:
The D4, despite opinions to the contrary, is a good upgrade from the D3. The focusing seems more capable and an extra 4MP makes a difference when cropping. The down side is that the EN-EL18 battery is massively over priced, the focus point joystick cover for vertical (portrait format) shooting is very easily displaced and a Nikon replacement is expensive but a cheap cap is £8 and easily fitted. XQD cards are very expensive, but still cheaper than CFExpress cards.

I have two D4 bodies and I prefer the output to that of the D3. If you really can't afford a D850 the D4 is a good option and is very solid.

Geoff have you compared D4 with D5.

I think that Nikon have lost their way with respect to new models.
In the past certainly with the film models but also certainly up until the D3S it was a clear to see the advantages in the new model.
I really cant see this in the case of the later and latest models.


For example Iain with his D500 yes it is a better camera in my opinion and it is better than my D300 or D300S (my underwater cameras) but how much better than my D300S? 
The AF is better but the sensor having more MP is just as noisy.

The D850 is better than the D800 not only at a sensor level with 45MP v 36MP, and less noisy but also the AF is better and there are many new features.

My Z7 has now been superseded by the Z7ii, likewise the Z6 v Z6ii, but Nikon have not offered an update to the Z7/Z6 to allow the use of the new battery pack that is for the Z7ii/Z6ii.  This is a relatively simple update by the local country service department.  Similar things happened in the further past with the Nikon lenses being updated to Ai/Ais.



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Little Egret in Farlington Marsh reserve this afternoon. Very low light but D850 with 500 PF coped well.

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Very fine capture and lovely image.
Thanks for sharing Graham.

I really would like to test my Nikon 200-500mm against your 500mm.



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a trip along the coast yesterday in a brief spell of winter sun combined with high spring tides got me some rather good purple sandpiper and turnstone shots olympus 1.mkii + olympus 100-400 lens hand held 

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and a message from a mate last night led to seeing this one of mine being used by the BBCon instagram .. what they didn't do was read the text as it was a play with photoshops sky replacement :applause::lol:

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Stunning light in those images @blackfox.



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:offtopic: I have bought a D4 which is producing good results even in the c**p weather we are having up here at the moment.

 




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jk wrote:
Geoff have you compared D4 with D5.

I think that Nikon have lost their way with respect to new models.
In the past certainly with the film models but also certainly up until the D3S it was a clear to see the advantages in the new model.
I really cant see this in the case of the later and latest models.


For example Iain with his D500 yes it is a better camera in my opinion and it is better than my D300 or D300S (my underwater cameras) but how much better than my D300S? 
The AF is better but the sensor having more MP is just as noisy.

The D850 is better than the D800 not only at a sensor level with 45MP v 36MP, and less noisy but also the AF is better and there are many new features.

My Z7 has now been superseded by the Z7ii, likewise the Z6 v Z6ii, but Nikon have not offered an update to the Z7/Z6 to allow the use of the new battery pack that is for the Z7ii/Z6ii.  This is a relatively simple update by the local country service department.  Similar things happened in the further past with the Nikon lenses being updated to Ai/Ais.

No I haven't had my hands on a D5 but I would suggest that the D5 is what the D4 should have been (20MP) and the D5 should have moved up further. I know speed of transfer and file size are considerations for the target user so much more than 24MP would be wasted.

Nikon missed out a D400, which would have been a DX version of the D4 and probably lost sales to the 5000 and 7000 series, people who would have bought the D500 had a D400 been in between the D300s and D500. The used market is important because being able to trade up matters.

The D800 doesn't do anything for me but the D850 looks good, if fairly expensive even used.

The Z series likewise don't appeal, largely because of the mess Nikon have made with the grips. A good design would have had the grip designed as if it were a part of the camera rather than just a box hung underneath. Had they got that right the FTZ adaptor wouldn't have had an unusable tripod socket.

The other thing that annoys me is that there was no need to change the battery between the D3 and D4, the EN-EL18c has exactly the same capacity as the EN-EL4a yet Nikon stated that Japanese law required a lower energy density. The latest iterations appear to have the same energy density so what was the point.

 

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