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Posted: Sat Feb 20th, 2021 15:24
 
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I prefer the first image Eric with the background not blurry. I have tried to get away from the bird etc dominating the image and where the background is acceptable leave it visible as habitat.

 




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I thought I would do that one of the Hummingbird moth as I was never sure if I liked the background in the original, but maybe the problem was the crop I made!
I prefer your crop.


Re: " Incidentally, somewhere on my desktop I have a PS Action that sequentially layers focus progressively back in stages giving increasing levels of defocus away from a subject to give quite a natural depth of field effect. I created it after messing up a shoot with the wrong aperture. "

If you can find it I would be interested to test out as I did this by hand with a duplicate layer with a large amount of gaussian blur and a mask.  
I should have made it as a smart object so I could change the blur.  I always remember half way through the exercise.


There are always many different ways to do stuff in Photoshop it really is a total learning experience.



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jk wrote:
I thought I would do that one of the Hummingbird moth as I was never sure if I liked the background in the original, but maybe the problem was the crop I made!
I prefer your crop.


Re: " Incidentally, somewhere on my desktop I have a PS Action that sequentially layers focus progressively back in stages giving increasing levels of defocus away from a subject to give quite a natural depth of field effect. I created it after messing up a shoot with the wrong aperture. "

If you can find it I would be interested to test out as I did this by hand with a duplicate layer with a large amount of gaussian blur and a mask.  
I should have made it as a smart object so I could change the blur.  I always remember half way through the exercise.


There are always many different ways to do stuff in Photoshop it really is a total learning experience.

My desktop is out of action at the moment (lack of use) but will see if I can find it elsewhere on a drive.

From 15year memory.......
The process started with tight masking ALL the areas behind the subject.
Apply a minimal blur as the 'base coat' start this action..

Contract the mask by 2 pixels > Apply a feather of 1 pixel > Apply 5% more blur
Contract the mask by 4 pixels > Apply a feather of 2 pixel > Apply 5% more blur
Contract the mask by 10 pixels > Apply a feather of 5 pixel > Apply 10% more blur
Contract the mask by 20 pixels > Apply a feather of 10 pixel > Apply 10% more blur
Contract the mask by 50 pixels > Apply a feather of 20 pixel > Apply 15% more blur
Contract the mask by 100 pixels > Apply a feather of 50pixel > Apply 20% more blur

The actual numbers may be wrong but the principal is the same.....ie don't apply feather to the mask in the first instance, then soften the edge effect by 'one step forward - half back' approach, increasing the intensity as you go further back.

There are a couple of pitfalls to watch out for. 
The mask moves away from the frame edges incrementally so you are left with an edge and top that needs a small crop.
If the mask is not horizontal behind the subject lower areas may get more blurring than their distance demands. So using the rectangle mask to subtract these irregularities halfway through the action (or step back afterwards and restart)  irons out this issue.

Of course Adobe may have added this filter to more recent versions ....but I am still old school diy.



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Iain wrote:
I prefer the first image Eric with the background not blurry. I have tried to get away from the bird etc dominating the image and where the background is acceptable leave it visible as habitat.
I totally agree Iain it seems more natural...more like the eye sees it. I think just using fstop to control background detail should be sufficient.

Obviously with location photography, there can often be background detail that distracts that can't be moved. I favour cloning that item out rather than blurring the whole area.



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Eric wrote:
My desktop is out of action at the moment (lack of use) but will see if I can find it elsewhere on a drive.

From 15year memory.......
The process started with tight masking ALL the areas behind the subject.
Apply a minimal blur as the 'base coat' start this action..

Contract the mask by 2 pixels > Apply a feather of 1 pixel > Apply 5% more blur
Contract the mask by 4 pixels > Apply a feather of 2 pixel > Apply 5% more blur
Contract the mask by 10 pixels > Apply a feather of 5 pixel > Apply 10% more blur
Contract the mask by 20 pixels > Apply a feather of 10 pixel > Apply 10% more blur
Contract the mask by 50 pixels > Apply a feather of 20 pixel > Apply 15% more blur
Contract the mask by 100 pixels > Apply a feather of 50pixel > Apply 20% more blur

The actual numbers may be wrong but the principal is the same.....ie don't apply feather to the mask in the first instance, then soften the edge effect by 'one step forward - half back' approach, increasing the intensity as you go further back.

There are a couple of pitfalls to watch out for. 
The mask moves away from the frame edges incrementally so you are left with an edge and top that needs a small crop.
If the mask is not horizontal behind the subject lower areas may get more blurring than their distance demands. So using the rectangle mask to subtract these irregularities halfway through the action (or step back afterwards and restart)  irons out this issue.

Of course Adobe may have added this filter to more recent versions ....but I am still old school diy.

NB Save the original mask before you start the action so you can reapply it if you need to redo it.



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Thanks Eric.



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Posted: Thu Feb 25th, 2021 23:49
 
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WOW, some great photos have been posted recently.

I ended up purchasing a Nikkor 500mm f 5.6 pf lens. It turned up yesterday.

So far I'm pleased with the lens, although having a few issues with the image stabilisation. I have tried both Normal and Sport mode, but I'm still getting a few images with movement in them. It wasn't an issue with the 200-500mm. More practice I guess.

It was overcast this evening after work when I visited the small reserve at the end of our street. Also there were not too many birds around late in the day.

A few snaps from this evening using a D500 with 500mm f 5.6 pf lens


#1 Laughing Kookaburra


#2 Laughing Kookaburra, I'm not sure if it was laughing at me, the camera, or the new lens :-)


#3 Grey Shrike-thrush


#4 Eastern Yellow Robin

 




Posted: Fri Feb 26th, 2021 03:22
 
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Nice shots Richard.
The 500pf is a lighter lens than the 200-500 and it may be impacting on your stability.... till you get used to it. 
One of the really useful features on the lens, is the memory focus lock buttons that store preset positions.....enabling you to quickly return to that exact focal spot at the press of the button.

I am not a great fan of its bokeh though. I find it a bit unsmooth, and rather artificial 

When coupled with the latest 1.4x teleconverter there is no loss in quality like earlier teleconverter models ...and 720mm reach (1080mm with the d500)



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Thank you Eric!

I don't have the 1.4x teleconverter, it was on my to buy list a year or two back, but I never got around to it. I do have the 1.7x and the 2x. I might try one of them with one of the Z bodies.

 




Posted: Fri Feb 26th, 2021 23:39
 
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Some of the images I managed to get this morning at one of our local gardens.

D500 with 500mm f/5.6


#1 Striated Pardalote


#2 Spotted Pardalote


#3 Eastern Spinebill


#4 Red-browed Scrubwren


#5 Eastern Yellow Robin


#6 Little Wattlebird


#7 Grey Shrike-thrush


#8 Superb Fairy-wren


#9 White-browed Scrubwren


#10 New Holland Honeyeater


#11 Silvereye


#12 Welcome Swallow


#13 Brown Thornbill


#14 Southern Brown Bandicoot (Please delete if not appropriate)

 

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