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Posted by Eric: Tue May 14th, 2024 17:15 1st Post
I thought there was already a thread on this subject, but can't find it...so here's a new one.

Today I picked up my IR camera for the first time in a number of years. it wasn't without some faltering remembering how to do it!!!!!!!!

Anyway here's an IR shot to get it started. 



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Posted by Eric: Tue May 14th, 2024 17:57 2nd Post

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Posted by novicius: Tue May 14th, 2024 18:20 3rd Post
That is some good photography !!



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Posted by Iain: Tue May 14th, 2024 21:31 4th Post
You seem to have remembered quick enough.



Posted by jk: Wed May 15th, 2024 12:50 5th Post
Seems like all the photos in our old Galleries are gone since the move onto Chris's server two years ago.
No worry it is a chance to take more photos.



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Posted by chrisbet: Wed May 15th, 2024 14:29 6th Post
Just checked - the files are all there but for some reason best known to itself, PHP has deleted the dates from the database so they are not coming up - some detective work to do!



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Posted by jk: Wed May 15th, 2024 18:14 7th Post
chrisbet wrote:
Just checked - the files are all there but for some reason best known to itself, PHP has deleted the dates from the database so they are not coming up - some detective work to do! Well done Chris. Well spotted.  It would have been beyond me but we do appreciate your expertise. :applause:



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Posted by jk: Wed May 15th, 2024 18:15 8th Post
In the mean time some IR false-colour for those of us in the IR world.


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Posted by jk: Wed May 15th, 2024 18:20 9th Post
Or if you like false colour IR then try this.


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Posted by jk: Wed May 15th, 2024 18:24 10th Post
Back to more conventional B&W IR.


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Posted by Eric: Wed May 15th, 2024 18:41 11th Post
Iain wrote:
You seem to have remembered quick enough. You didn’t see the reject bin.:lol:



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Posted by Iain: Wed May 15th, 2024 21:16 12th Post
Eric wrote:
You didn’t see the reject bin.:lol: :lol: I know that feeling.



Posted by Eric: Wed May 15th, 2024 21:59 13th Post

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REALLY struggled with this last image. In hindsight it might have been better in straight B&W because the green algae on the trunks had an IR response that contributed whiteness where I really needed midtones. The lack of mid tonal response makes the branches a bit 2D and I struggled to retain highlight detail as a result. 

If I had photographed in colour (I did have the Sony with me :banghead:) and then desaturated it would have rendered the green algae.... grey ....
giving me something to work with.  Next time!!!!



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Posted by Eric: Thu May 16th, 2024 09:45 14th Post
Only one more for now as it's raining....not good for IR.





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Posted by Eric: Thu May 16th, 2024 18:33 15th Post
jk wrote:
Or if you like false colour IR then try this.


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Is that the source of Devon Waters problems Jonathan? :lol:

Jans told me to stop putting colour into IR photos, they are giving her nightmares. 

Thinking about it ……she says that about most of my normal photos. :needsahug:



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Posted by Eric: Thu May 16th, 2024 18:37 16th Post
novicius wrote:
That is some good photography !! Thx. But as Bob Ross used to say “a happy little accident “



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Posted by jk: Thu May 16th, 2024 19:32 17th Post
Still looks pretty good to me!



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Posted by jk: Thu May 16th, 2024 19:40 18th Post
Colour in IR is good as long as you dont expect real colour!



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Posted by jk: Thu May 16th, 2024 19:47 19th Post
Water companies.... Just renationalise at zero value....
Let the pips squeak...  Just blue greedy pigs.



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Thu May 16th, 2024 20:05 20th Post
Eric some good IR images there. I like the first tree one the best.



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Posted by chrisbet: Thu May 16th, 2024 22:04 21st Post
In the limelight is my favourite.:thumbs:



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Posted by Eric: Sat May 18th, 2024 19:58 22nd Post
A few more lighthearted images...




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Posted by jk: Sun May 19th, 2024 18:50 23rd Post
I always admire the beautiful light white tone that Eric achieves in his IR images.  Something I need to try and achieve.



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Posted by Eric: Mon May 20th, 2024 15:48 24th Post
jk wrote:
I always admire the beautiful light white tone that Eric achieves in his IR images.  Something I need to try and achieve. If I decide not to retain any colour for channel switching purposes  ( eg getting blue skies from IR brown) I use the black and white filters in Photoshop. The red lifts the whites, the yellow and the magenta handle the mid tones and shadows…..at least without getting the laptop out to confirm, I think that’s the right way round. Lol



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Posted by Eric: Tue May 21st, 2024 00:17 25th Post
jk wrote:
Back to more conventional B&W IR.


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Jonathan …just picking up on your comment about your whites not being bright, in this example it’s merely the fact you haven’t set the max white for the image. There’s a lot of dead space to the right of the histogram……


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Simply resetting the white point in Levels will significantly lift your image.

The only warning is that you don’t want to blow out the highlights or you lose definition.  

In this case adjusting BOTH the highlight and gamma are recommended.

Bring the white point CLOSE to the right end of the histogram, then move the gamma to get a bit more white contribution in the midtones, THEN darken the black point to get back some contrast…..




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AND…….clean your sensor, you’ve got some dust bunnies on that image. :lol:



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Posted by Eric: Tue May 21st, 2024 14:30 26th Post
Graham Whistler wrote:
Eric some good IR images there. I like the first tree one the best. Me too! I should have packed up and gone home after taking that first shot. Lol



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Posted by Eric: Tue Jun 11th, 2024 08:40 27th Post
Not a good day for lightings with sun going in behind dense clouds. Had to wait ages for gaps in cloud cover and ended up grabbing what I could. Not the best tonal range in the 'whites', but thought I would share some of what I saw. 




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I actually cheated on these next 3 and did 'sky replacements' in PS to give them some life as by then it was just plain GREY!





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Posted by jk: Tue Jun 11th, 2024 10:57 28th Post
Took a few shots today in my garden.
Subject material a bit ordinary but only done for testing the conversion of IR.
Camera is an XT1 that is FS spectrum converted but with no filters on lens.

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Into B&W as I know Eric prefers no colour!


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Posted by Eric: Tue Jun 11th, 2024 12:58 29th Post
jk wrote:
Took a few shots today in my garden.
Subject material a bit ordinary but only done for testing the conversion of IR.
Camera is an XT1 that is FS spectrum converted but with no filters on lens.

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Into B&W as I know Eric prefers no colour!


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2 things you could try...
There is a slight vignette on your image ( I get it on my IR camera as well for some reason) which makes the edges of the frame darker especially so with IR. I use PS camera raw to reduce this effect (lightens the edges) on loading.
Ive used PS Sky replacement where the recorded sky is too bright or burnt out. An then desaturate it:thumbs:


I left one of the above images blue to show its a replacement sky



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Posted by jk: Tue Jun 11th, 2024 13:11 30th Post
Yes the lens is a Laowa 9mm f2.8 which is good for IR on the Fuji.



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Posted by Eric: Tue Jun 11th, 2024 13:23 31st Post
One of the big constraints I find is getting the sun equally over all or most of the image. Where clouds mask areas you get more than 1 stop dip in white dinginess. You can see this to the left side of the image of Kirkham Crossing (above).  Whilst a bit of tonal variation can add interest, it can make areas look..... dirty.  I often choose to dodge these areas to lift them a bit whiter. I was a bit lazy on these shots and let them be. lol

Incidentally....put your coloured IR shots into PS and into Adjustment> BW (as mentioned earlier) and you will get interesting and discrete adjustments with different colours, because although it looks BW, the underlying colours are still there and respond differently to the filter sliders.

So for example a bluish hotspot area can be selectively changed (dark or light) using the blue slider. Blue skies can be blackened.



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Posted by Eric: Tue Jun 11th, 2024 13:39 32nd Post
Look what happens to your sky just moving the blue and magenta sliders...(NB only happens while doing first edit...after saving change all colour influence has gone!)



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Posted by Eric: Tue Jun 11th, 2024 17:59 34th Post
One more......



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Posted by Eric: Fri Jun 14th, 2024 11:31 37th Post
Last one for now!  Off home tomorrow....and there's a storm coming!!!!!!


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Posted by Eric: Sat Aug 24th, 2024 17:34 39th Post
I can't recall the name of the chateau, but it was in the Dordogne. What I do remember is that I put my camera backpack down on the driveway to take this photo and when I returned to the backpack to put it on my back....a strap fell off. 

The strap then rapidly slithered away into the bushes!!

In the seering heat, a snake had sought shade under my backpack. Fortunately it hadn't gone IN the bag or coiled up in the straps and fell out before I strung it round my neck. 8-)

Hence the title of the photo.





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Three more IR shots while I am logged in....




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Posted by Eric: Sat Aug 24th, 2024 20:07 40th Post
Found a few more IR shots lurking in the archive......



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Posted by Eric: Sat Nov 2nd, 2024 17:25 41st Post
A single track road (with passing places) in the Gloucester hills. 
It was a dull overcast day and the deciduous trees were starting to loose their leaves...ie they were dying off.

What surprised me was how the IR response has also dropped off. The (browny yellow) leaves now have as little IR response as the surrounding conifers. Compare this to the response of the still growing green grass verges.  of course a bit of sunlight would have lifted the whole scene but the contrast between the green grass and autumn foliage would even then have rendered the same stark contrast.  Interesting result ....maybe I should now put the IR camera to bed for the winter?



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