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jk
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Many members on this forum use cameras other than Nikon. I know that some of us use several different makes. I personally use Canon, Nikon, Fuji cameras. Other use Fuji, Sony and Olympus as well as Nikon. Therefore we are not an exclusive Nikon only forum. Should we therefore realign the name of the forum to Digital Camera Group. The domain name is available and we are due to renew the server hosting and domain name registration in March. |
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Iain
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I'd go for the Digital Camera Group. As you say there is so many different cameras that members have now. |
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Eric
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I think in addition to rebranding the forum some more considerations as to the sections we have may be worthwhile. Some of the existing ones are a bit ambiguous and if other camera/lenses are being discussed they need segregating. |
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novicius
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At 1st glance, yes !!!....but then again, there are other Digital Camera Forums/ Groups sounding like that , so perhaps a name that sets us somewhat apart from the others ,and maybe slip Nikon in it somehow, as it would be the main objective yeah...could we give it some thought before we take the plunge... |
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chrisbet
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Just to point out that one downside of changing the url is that you then lose any links from other sites where the present url is mentioned, together with the Google search links that will continue to exist in search results. This may actually lose you footfall as people get 404 errors - site not found. A way round this is to retain the current url and redirect it to the new one but that incurs the cost of two domain names or just keep the current domain name and rebrand the content only. |
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jk
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I think that that will be a valid way forward as the cost of the domain for another year is reasonably small. |
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chrishamer
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Not a bad shout, even beyond different brands, with the Z lineup, how much longer will DSLRs remain the only thing people search for...? |
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chrisbet
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DSLR is only a means to an end - maybe "Digital Imaging Forum"? digitalimagingforum.uk is available and free for 1st year with LCN. |
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jk
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chrisbet wrote:DSLR is only a means to an end - maybe "Digital Imaging Forum"?I would prefer a *.com as that is easier for people to find especially from USA. |
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chrisbet
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digitalimagingforum.com also available |
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jk
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Need to get some more feedback from members before I make any decisions. |
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novicius
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chrisbet wrote:DSLR is only a means to an end - maybe "Digital Imaging Forum"?That sounds good to me...could we slip Nikon in it somehow ?... We are still Nikon based are n`t we ? |
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jk
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Mostly Nikon but not exclusively and some of us are only 50% Nikon or less. |
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chrisbet
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"The mostly nikon digital imaging forum"  To be honest, almost 2/3rds of the images I take are on the phone! Mainly because I use them online on Whatsapp and Instagram between friends and it is convenient plus high quality is not required, they are ephemeral and tell a story in the moment. The skills of composition etc are still relevant though. |
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novicius
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jk wrote:Mostly Nikon but not exclusively and some of us are only 50% Nikon or less.Yes, but Still Nikon Based...as in,: " If Only I had my Nikon now , the Treble would`ve been Velvety soft and the Bass would have more Punch "... |
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novicius
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chrisbet wrote:"The mostly nikon digital imaging forum"Absolutely, so much better to compose with the SLR , my phone is also available all the time and mostly used to take pics., but the SLR ( some people call it the " Monster " ) is the Photographic tool, and there are courses of how to take better pics. with the phone, ..but we are Photographers and Nikon-Based, surely there`s a place for us , even on the web ?? .... and what happened with going on F B ...??....the " NikonDslr forum also on FaceBook" ...a bit of a mouthfull,but it does have a ring to it..  |
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Eric
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I always thought that the 'Digital imaging' term was traditionally more allied to image manipulation than the taking of photos with digital equipment. I may be wrong. Our forum has little discussion on image manipulation, rightly or wrongly and I wonder if others might expect? more on that subject. We need to define what we want to deliver from a revamped forum...if it is to be grown rather than just rebadged. |
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jk
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I feel that we need to have new members joining even if only to provide the current members with the stimulus of new questions and directions. We have little discussion on image editing or other editing techniques. Likewise we dont have keen proponents of video, macro or some of the other genres of photography. Our user base is a core group of members who follow their particular interest and produce excellent content but we need to try to get new members with different skills who can add their specialist skills to the forum. |
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chrisbet
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Just to throw another idea into the pot - digitalcamera.photography is available as a domain .... |
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Bob Bowen
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As for a new name I will go with the flow. Graham's recent post about his switch to Sony makes the point about the need to update the group's public image. |
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chrisbet
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 I think this is more likely to attract a broad range of readers. We need to make the content attractive enough to retain them on their first visit, though! |
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novicius
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....Nikon Digital Camera Photography...look, there are forums that proudly display the Brand`s name,...if we do n`t , then would not we loose our identity..??.. |
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chrisbet
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Not necessarily - we can still have a section for Nikon, but we might gain people who are put off because they don't own Nikon. |
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Robert
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Oh my goodness! What you get up to while I am away in the wilderness!...  Need to read up and digest. BBS  |
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jk
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OK I am going to put up some thoughts..... 1. Do not want a domain name other than a *.com why? Because ot is found more easily by users all over the world. 2. The name needs to attract users from basic to advanced. 3. The name should not be overly long i.e. easy to remember and type in! 4. I am happy to rework layout and content of forums. |
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chrisbet
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Because it is found more easily by users all over the world.Google finds it for you - people don't type in URLs - they click on what Google shows them and that catches their interest. The fact you get a lot of .com results is a reflection of the fact that most of the internet is american. |
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Eric
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chrisbet wrote:Maybe we should register 'thebestdigitalcameraforum.com' if that's the sort of google search being asked.Because it is found more easily by users all over the world.Google finds it for you - people don't type in URLs - they click on what Google shows them and that catches their interest.  |
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chrisbet
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Lol - actually it doesn't matter what the name is - it could be ah%88234j"!£g.com if you wanted. Google nowadays searches more on content - the old days of shoving lots of keywords into meta data are long gone, so to get viewers you need to make sure that words like Nikon, digital, photography, etc. need to be used in the posts, which by and large they are. |
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jk
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That is the other thing that needs to be done. Get the new forum up the search engine lists! |
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Eric
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jk wrote:That is the other thing that needs to be done. Get the new forum up the search engine lists!Apologies for being a tad negative, but we are in 'chicken or egg' situation here. It's all very well attracting more visits, but the forum content needs to be sufficiently engaging to hold people's attention, if the forum is to survive as anything more than a few old mates putting the world to rights, in a virtual pub on a Friday night. Understanding why so many people have left the forum or refrain from contributing, may go someway to formulating something new. Forged in the last century when digital imaging was perceived as witchcraft, it's not surprising we had so many wanting to discuss and learn the mysteries. Now that most people know enough to satisfy their day to day needs, it's going to have to be something really special to grab people's interest and enthuse their contribution. Opening the forum name to encompass other camera users widens the net for sure. How do we hold their interest? |
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chrisbet
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Many fora are in a similar position - a hard core of a dozen or so contributors. The days of fora are in decline and many posts in Google searches are now several years old but presumably people get the information they are looking for. One thing I think might help draw people in is if you "experts" did some sort of how to articles - using lenses, the relationship between dof & exposure, understanding the camera and its menus etc., re-celling batteries, wrinkles you have learnt over the years. If these can be illustrated, all the better. The other thing we can do is get links the the forum on other websites - putting the url into your signature on other fora is one way. |
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chrishamer
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chrisbet wrote:]Many fora are in a similar position - a hard core of a dozen or so contributors. The days of fora are in decline and many posts in Google searches are now several years old but presumably people get the information they are looking for.I'm not sure forum's are in decline per se, I think that A LOT of it moved to a different platform, Reddit... If you think of it, each sub-reddit is a forum of sorts. I think if you have great compelling content, people do tend to come, I'd argue a lot of the stuff we used to discuss here like technical tips etc has moved to Facebook groups, Reddit and YouTube - it's one thing someone telling you how to fix an old D1 battery with text and photos and another watching a video on it... I think there's still a place for forums such as this, god knows there's a lovely little community here, but expanding it out might not hurt. That being said I don't have much more practical advice to share, my personal focus is very much on YouTube. |
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chrisbet
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I don't think the problem is visitors - we had 5870 visitors in February, making 58,405 visits, viewing 111,725 pages - but only 93 posts.... When I said fora I meant fora like this, not Reddit, Facebook, Youtube etc. - they are the reason why people have migrated from these old style fora. |
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novicius
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Since I joined the "Old" forum, way back when JK was living in sunny Spain ( 2008 ) , I have changed computers, and Every time I had difficulty to remember what the forum was called, all I could remember was that it had " Nikon " in it,..so Yes , a New and Easy to remember forum-name, but please do keep the Nikon name in it,..there`s an american one called " Nikon cafe" , I stumbled onto that one when I got a new computer ( it was broken ) while looking for this forum,..could n`t we look for something like it ? ..." The Nikon Asylum "...just a sample.. |
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jk
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@novicius.... Sounds like a good possibility. "BigCafe for Nikon, Sony, Fuji and other cameras" Going to be a long drink! |
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chrisbet
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Nikon boozer ? |
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jk
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Need to have other camera makes represented. |
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novicius
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...." Nikon n`zee Others "... |
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chrisbet
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Far east camera club? |
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Iain
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When you do a search there is always some info on what the site is. So if we went for Digital camera group then have something like Nikon based but open to all digital camera users, if that can be done. |
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jk
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Iain wrote:When you do a search there is always some info on what the site is. So if we went for Digital camera group then have something like Nikon based but open to all digital camera users, if that can be done.Good point Iain. It needs to be considered. |
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novicius
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How about some suggestions..??..this is a Serious Matter People,..a New name for our Beloved forum,..can n`t put all that responsability on J K `s frail shoulders , we should lift in unison... |
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jk
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Yes I would appreciate some input on this so I can make a decision before end of March when I need to renew the domain name. |
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Eric
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Just rereading Chris' posts makes me realise that maybe we are attacking this the wrong way. 1 If the domain name is redundant in gaining views....why bother to change it? In fact the chance of dreaming up something succinct that's all encompassing is unlikely....although we don't have to stop trying. We should just introduce a fuller better explanation of what the forum is about eg including other cameras in some preamble like other forum....  Click here to comment on this image. Just changing the descriptor that comes up might be a start. If we are already getting significant footfall, is it possible to discover how they arrived at our forum? If it's not keywords any more, what is it that they are doing to arrive at Nikon-DSLR.net? But fuelling more footfall is all very well. We need to address keeping people interested enough to .... 1) return regularly 2) join in discussions That must come down to content and it may be the very thing that also generates even more visits. Maybe we need to ask ourselves why we visit the site regularly and consider how we can enthuse others to hang around? |
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Eric
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Nikon-Plus.net The discussion forum for Nikon, Sony, Olympus That's there in case Chris decides to keep the R5 instead of the Z6 |
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Eric
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Well it's raining outside, nothing else to do, so here's the germ of a logo idea... Bin it or develop it? Edit: Jonathan you will have to sell the Fuji gear. There's no space for it on the logo. |
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chrisbet
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Actually I think we probably need to be careful using company logos, they are no doubt copyrighted! I'll do some research into where Google picks up the description under the URL in its results. |
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chrisbet
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OK - I think I have found out how to manipulate what people see - it will take a while for Google to crawl the site and update any changes but as a test I have added this description to our page template - "A forum originally for Nikon camera users but now embracing Canon, Sony, Fuji and other makes. Discussion areas for digital photography techniques, reviews of cameras and lenses as well as projects. Our own gallery displays images in high resolution and provides sub threads to dicuss individual images no matter where they appear in the main forums. Smartphone friendly, you can upload images direct from phone or wifi connection from your camera. Modern private messaging system akin to phone texting." |
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chrisbet
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To pick up Eric's point about footfall - yes we can find out where they come from but that will mean adding a statcounter to the site - is everyone happy that I do this? This is the sort of stats you get - not overly detailed but you can see where they come from and what link took them there - facebook, google, whatever -  Click here to comment on this image. |
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Eric
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chrisbet wrote:Actually I think we probably need to be careful using company logos, they are no doubt copyrighted!OK, I can understand that, I was just trying to get a bit more meat on the PLUS idea. We could just as easily create a montage of equipment from those manufacturers (including JK's Fuji) along the lines of the current page header. |
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jk
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Well done Chris. Please can you PM me details of where the customisations that appear in Google description are taken from. On the Referrer data content I think that is best put on a page visible from the Admin page. If you make it public there are possible GDPR issues. |
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chrisbet
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Done - see pm  |
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Graham Whistler
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Now that most people know enough to satisfy their day to day needs, it's going to have to be something really special to grab people's interest and enthuse their contribution. Opening the forum name to encompass other camera users widens the net for sure. How do we hold their interest? I agree with Eric's comment. I also would not like to lose contact with our forum after all these good years and all the friends I have made. How do we continue to hold people's interest, so many old friends are long gone? |
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chrisbet
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Invite them back to see the new forum? |
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Graham Whistler
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There is a lot of members on our list is it possible to extract e-mails and make contact? Sadly very few post these days. |
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jk
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I find it very disheartening that the members numbers here are falling but I know some of that is due to the general drop in Nikon users which I have no control over. We also have a well educated group of members who are very proficient. Also that these days I tend to be more closely aligned to different makes even though I still use Nikon but it is not a 'go to' manufacturer for many. Digital has made it easier for the general public to easily publish a spectrum of image quality that is very variable. Smartphones have made everyone a 'just as good as David Bailey' photographer. Quality is not a standard, but something that may arrive! I dont pretend to have the answers but I have to say that the time I spend is limited as I have other things that demand it. Maybe the time has come to ask the question..... Is there anyone out there who wants to take on the ownership and responsibilities of this forum? |
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chrisbet
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Graham Whistler wrote:There is a lot of members on our list is it possible to extract e-mails and make contact? Sadly very few post these days.Yes, there is a mass email facility on the forum for admins to use - it can send mails to all registered users or you can focus the mail shot as you wish. Inevitably there will be a lot of returned mails not delivered as addresses will have changed over time and you can use that as an opportunity to weed out those people from the register if you want.  |
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Eric
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I think the sad fact is that forums have become old hat. Far more people (especially younger ones) go to social media to satiate their need to communicate. There are several long standing regular members that have stopped posting. It may be worth asking them why they have stopped. The answers may be predictable.....other interests, no time, stopped photography, know all I need to know... and as such they are hard to counter. But ....nothing new, not very interesting, not much help, boring.... may be worth trying to address. It's clear, when one looks at the views per thread, there are some subjects that prompt more interest than others. Bird photography is the classic example. Even so, with limited exceptions, people just come to look. In fairness, I do the same on other forums. I fear there is little we can do short of introducing a new subject ...new to many people, that those people want to stay and discuss. |
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chrisbet
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Google search has updated with the new description :- I have also added the description to the splash page where visitors land. |
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jk
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OK well we have a year to decide on a rename, as my payments for the domain run out March 2022. We are now paid up also for the hosting and email that is necessary for the sever to notify me of issues, until March 2021. At that point I will need to get ~£100-150 for the domain renewal and ~£45 for purchase of new domain name and further hosting for another year. |
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Eric
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Like the intro Chris. Could I make a couple of suggestions? 1) We haven't yet got any Canon users so should they be for the moment in the 'other makes' collective but add Olympus in its place as Jeff uses that? 2) Would it be better to split the text up to make it less of an eyeful to digest in one hit? I am thinking, make a break before the gallery text and maybe place it below the menu...maybe slightly smaller text? Although good information it may not (arguably?) be the main reason to join the forum? I did make a couple of suggested changes to wording if you feel wothrwhile.... A forum originally for Nikon camera users now embracing Sony, Fuji, Olympus and other makes. Discussion on digital photography techniques, reviews of cameras and lenses as well as projects. Our gallery displays images in high resolution and provides sub threads to discuss individual images no matter where they appear in the main forums. Smartphone friendly, you can upload images direct from phone or wifi connection from your camera. Modern private messaging system akin to phone texting. |
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Graham Whistler
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Eric I like that. |
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jk
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Ahem..... I use a Canon Sureshot G12 and I am very happy with it. Just I personally dont like the interface and front controls on the Canon DSLRs. Nothing against the cameras and lenses as they do work very well. |
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jk
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So we go with.... "A forum originally for Nikon camera users now embracing Sony, Fuji, Olympus, Canon and other makes. Discussion on digital photography techniques, reviews of cameras and lenses as well as projects. Our gallery displays images in high resolution and provides sub threads to discuss individual images no matter where they appear in the main forums. Smartphone friendly, you can upload images direct from phone or wifi connection from your camera. Modern private messaging system akin to phone texting." The Google search will show what it shows as we have no control over them ...yet! |
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chrisbet
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OK - sorted - note that if you want line breaks in html you need to use <br /> and double that if you want a blank line between paras. I have made the text a bit smaller too, so it doesn't swamp the page. Oh - and I use a Canon Ixus and a Canon XL1S for video as well as a phone ... |
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Eric
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Chris can you force wrap the lines to even out the flow of the centralised txt. (Bit of a old brochure text anal anorak ) A forum originally for Nikon camera users now embracing (wrap) Sony, Fuji, Olympus, Canon and other makes. Discussions on digital photography techniques, (wrap) reviews of cameras and lenses as well as projects. Our gallery displays images in high resolution and provides (wrap) sub threads to discuss individual images no matter (wrap) where they appear in the main forums. Smartphone friendly, you can upload images direct (wrap) from phone or wifi connection from your camera. Modern private messaging system akin to phone texting. |
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Eric
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I think the txt on the front page is an excellent addition. It provides a bit of reading for people which means they pause for a moment and see some of the images ......before going into the site. |
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chrisbet
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Eric wrote:Chris can you force wrap the lines to even out the flow of the centralised txt. (Bit of a old brochure text anal anorak )There is a problem with doing that because resolution differences can leave words isolated on their own line. I have justified the text instead - is that better? |
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novicius
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"A forum originally for Nikon camera users now embracing Sony, Fuji, Olympus, Canon and other makes. Could we keep it short,..like.." Nikon based but others are welcome " . --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- J K : " Maybe the time has come to ask the question..... Is there anyone out there who wants to take on the ownership and responsibilities of this forum? " I was worried this could happen, ever since Armand disappeared I was Glad J K stuck to his guns,..Look, this forum has Personality,..something Sorely missing on other forums, I can n`t explain it better than that,..there´s an Atmosphere here not found elsewhere. |
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chrisbet
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novicius wrote:Could we keep it short,..like.." Nikon based but others are welcome " .The whole point of including the other names is to attract people - if you don't include them then google won't find us. |
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Eric
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chrisbet wrote:There is a problem with doing that because resolution differences can leave words isolated on their own line.The justified text is fine, I just think given the wordiness of the text it hasn't enough space to 'breath'. Could a frame border not be used to bring it away from the screen edge and the photos? Physically separating the main introduction text and the 'operational features and benefits' text was just a idea to make the bits even more glance readable. Thanks for labouring over this. |
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jk
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Agree with Eric. |
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chrisbet
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Not convinced about framing the text, I have padded it away from edges and introduced a wiggly break line rather than an empty line. |
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jk
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That works for me. Much better. |
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Eric
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chrisbet wrote:Not convinced about framing the text, I have padded it away from edges and introduced a wiggly break line rather than an empty line.Like the wiggly line |
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Eric
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chrisbet wrote:Not convinced about framing the text, I have padded it away from edges and introduced a wiggly break line rather than an empty line.Apologies for the multiple posts. It's taking ages to load the post and I get impatient and hit it again.  |
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Eric
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chrisbet wrote:Not convinced about framing the text, I have padded it away from edges and introduced a wiggly break line rather than an empty line.I didn't mean a visible frame ... 'padding' was what I meant but didn't know how to best describe it. What you've done is ideal. |
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chrisbet
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Thanks Eric |
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jk
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OK so we are content with Splash page content.  url and domain name change comes next year! Do we meed to consider other stuff? |
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chrisbet
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Structure? Should we have Canon / Fuji / Sony fora? Should we have a video forum? |
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novicius
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Just a few questions,..do we need to have the names of companies displayed to attract new members?.. then what about LEICA...Hassleblad...Mamyia...PENTAX..that s gonna be a cacophony.. I can see there is traffic of people lurking here, would informing passers by that they`re welcome to contribute even though they do not use Nikon`s..?.. would that not be patronizing .. I`m just worried that we loose our identity.. |
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jk
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chrisbet wrote:Structure? Should we have Canon / Fuji / Sony fora?I think that it will dilute the content of the forum trying to separate by camera manufacturer. We could have a tag for the new threads that show manufacturer. In fact I think it would be good to implement. On the Fuji forum we have a model tag in threads. See here.  Click here to comment on this image. |
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chrisbet
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jk wrote:I think that it will dilute the content of the forum trying to separate by camera manufacturer.Absolutely - by using the youtube link facility videos uploaded to youtube can be viewed in a window in the post - like this |
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novicius
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Getting complicated this here.. |
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chrisbet
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I have altered the splash page layout to tidy it up - the buttons now appear at the top right of the page instead of off screen at bottom left where the new welcome text had pushed them. |
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Eric
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chrisbet wrote:Like that. I don't want to add to your digital headaches, Chris ....but is there a reason the splash page doesn't load immediately with an image? I get this written message (below)....and then 5secs later the photos start. This is on my iPad so don't know if the issue is just me and this iPad/connection?  Click here to comment on this image. |
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chrisbet
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Not just you and the ipad - it used to load a static image (same one every time) while it went off and searched for the images for the carousel. The process takes a while and hence the delay. I thought it was an idea to tell people what was about to happen to grab their interest rather than them assuming that it was just a single image and clicking away to the forum or even leaving the site altogether. |
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jk
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I think loading a random image is better than the text. |
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chrisbet
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OK |
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novicius
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A bit of a Job all that...is n`t it getting a little too complicated for us...or is that only for our tech.geniuses to get a headache of this.. |
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novicius
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Sorry about the double posting...dunno how that happened.. |
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Eric
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novicius wrote:Sorry about the double posting...dunno how that happened..Too much excitement at all the changes |
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novicius
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So what`s the Verdict...that " Nikon-Boozer " sounds good...short and masculin.. |
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jk
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Synopsis of what has happened. 1. We will move forward into the new post-2020 world with the forum moving to a more open model where we are happy for members to post from whatever camera they are shooting with. We will probably remain fairly Nikon centric but dont feel constrained by make! 2. Chris has been beavering away getting the software updated to support the concept of 'tagging' so when you post a new thread then you must choose a tag. The tag can be generic e.g. None or Other or camera specific Nikon, Olympus, Sony, Fuji, Canon, Leica, Hasselblad, Pentax. If there needs to be others then I can add them. Otherwise you can use Other. Tags will allow us to see and also sort by tags by clicking on the Tag column heading. Still to be done! 3. I would like a new logo for the board. Anyone want to design one? Limitations is it needs to be same size and layout as the current one. I will put up size details later. 4. Domain name change needs to be considered and made (if it is to happen) between now and next March. I find this the most difficult as we want to capture both the previous Nikon preference but now the new mixed camera world. I am thing along the lines of 'Used to be Nikon, now ......." other thoughts, concepts, etc, are welcome. |
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Eric
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novicius wrote:So what`s the Verdict...that " Nikon-Boozer " sounds good...short and masculin..Jonathan beat me to it. |
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chrisbet
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The current logo is 432 x 62 pixels - the aspect ratio of 7 to 1 (length to width) is more important though, the software will adjust any size image to fit. |
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jk
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chrisbet wrote:The current logo is 432 x 62 pixels - the aspect ratio of 7 to 1 (length to width) is more important though, the software will adjust any size image to fit.Thanks Chris. |
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