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| Posted by highlander: Sun Oct 8th, 2017 09:27 | 1st Post |
| I'm selling/trading my Olympus equipment and contemplating a wide angle for my D600 I'm debating a used 14-24/2.8 vs a new 18-35/3.5-4.5 AFS G ED (the latest version, I know the old version was horrid) I do like ultra wide and loved my 12-24 on the D7100, infact it pretty much lived on it. But in FX terms that is 18-36 which kind of leads me to the second option. However, I did shoot a lot at the widest end and I really like getting in close and making the viewer feel they're in the picture. But, the 14-24 is really big and heavy and that puts me off. And the no filter thing. Your experiences would be very valuable to me in this decision. It will be used for landscapes and architecture, including interiors. Mainly landscapes at his time. 
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| Posted by jk: Sun Oct 8th, 2017 12:06 | 2nd Post |
| I have a Sigma FX 12-24 f4-5.6 that I got from Eric five or six years ago, maybe longer! It is soft at the edges at 12mm but at 14mm it is sharp. That is a much smaller lens than the Nikon 14-24 f2.8 The Tokina 11-16 f2.8 also gets good reviews. http://ffordes.com/product/17083008000981 Take a trip to Ffordes and check it out.
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| Posted by Eric: Sun Oct 8th, 2017 13:26 | 3rd Post |
| Just sold my 14-24. It had a scratch on the front lens right on the edge between the petal lens hood. It played no part in the image as it was below its field of view but never the less it knocked a lot of value of the lens.  The point is ...it's an awfully vulnerable piece of glass. The domed lens needs a push on lens cap...which pulls off with a sneeze. I would regularly pull the lens out of the pouch and leave the cap behind. The cap fell off once in the case and the flash gun rested on the glass all the way home....hence the mark!! Optically it's a great lens...maybe a little stretched at 14mm. It needs careful use to avoid ugly flare into the light. I used it for interiors and large machinery. I struggled to avoid distortion effects wider than 16mm and frequently found 18mm more than adequate for 'normal' wide shooting. Of course if I wanted exaggerated effects in the image, the 14mm was there to use. But in truth I tired of wiiiide special effects and struggled to avoid it when I wanted to be serious. I would also add that it's heavy and it felt unbalanced in the hand on my D750. I would suggest it will be the same on the D600. Of course, no problem on a tripod....but if the use of a tripod is preferable...it is a bit of a millstone...imho. I found the 17- 35 a nice compromise lens. Although old (pre digital) with a bit more colour fringing than some newer pro lenses it was a capable lens with a tad more range than the 18-35. I sold mine to Robert. If I move back to Nikon...I may try and buy it back from him. 
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| Posted by Robert: Sun Oct 8th, 2017 16:24 | 4th Post |
| Well the second lens I bought for my D1 was the 18-35 f3.5-4.5. Back in about 2006? It has been a stalwart member of my lens collection, finally being completely unleashed on the D3. It's quite light and I find the images it produces are perfectly acceptable. It even has AF, which is quite a novelty for me! I don't believe there is a great deal of difference between the 17-35 f2.8 and the 18-35 f3.5-4.5, except weight and a stop or so. With the current modern cameras one stop isn't an issue, but lighter might be good for you? I took this with it a couple of nights ago, D3, Nikkor 18-35mm f3.5-4.5, 28mm, 5 seconds at f5.6, ISO800  Also, D3, Nikkor 18-35mm f3.5-4.5, 35mm, 10 seconds at f4.5, ISO800. I purposely reduced saturation in this picture with the intention of better conveying the lateness of the hour, 01:04 Hrs. Apart from the stars it looked like daylight! It was of course the Harvest Moon, full. 
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| Posted by Eric: Sun Oct 8th, 2017 18:08 | 5th Post |
Robert wrote:Well the second lens I bought for my D1 was the 18-35 f3.5-4.5. Back in about 2006? It has been a stalwart member of my lens collection, finally being completely unleashed on the D3. I am agreement with you regarding the 18-35 comparison with the 17-35. Before buying the latter I too had the former. In fact I had to exchange the lens 3 times before I got one that was better than my 18-35. The difference was colour fringing. The 17-35 had far less CA...at 17mm and f5.6.These were the settings I used most often for machinery shots and I used to get a lot of edge effects off stainless panels, with the 18-35. Sold it to my mate Carl and he used it on his D700 with no complaints for his wedding groups for a number of years.
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| Posted by amazing50: Sun Oct 8th, 2017 20:21 | 6th Post |
| Was your 12-24 on the D7100 a DX? Have you tried it on the D600?
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| Posted by highlander: Mon Oct 9th, 2017 04:32 | 7th Post |
| I had the old 18-35 and it was horrible with moustache distortion but there is a new one that is supposed to be better than the 16-35 and half the price. Obviously it involves more plastic but it's also under 400g and optics are supposed the be better than the 16-35 or the 17-35. At £650 it's still a hefty punt though.
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| Posted by jk: Mon Oct 9th, 2017 08:53 | 8th Post |
| I have the 17-35 f2.8 AFS and it is a great lens with very high quality sharpness but the extra width of the 12-24 is more useful. I only buy FX lenses for Nikon.
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| Posted by Eric: Tue Oct 10th, 2017 07:10 | 9th Post |
highlander wrote:I had the old 18-35 and it was horrible with moustache distortion but there is a new one that is supposed to be better than the 16-35 and half the price. Obviously it involves more plastic but it's also under 400g and optics are supposed the be better than the 16-35 or the 17-35. At £650 it's still a hefty punt though. I never photographed anyone with a moustache using that lens ...so didn't notice the distortion. 
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| Posted by highlander: Tue Oct 10th, 2017 12:37 | 10th Post |
| 14mm (14-24/f2.8) vs Attachment: STORM-N-0306.jpg (Downloaded 30 times)
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| Posted by highlander: Tue Oct 10th, 2017 12:38 | 11th Post |
| 16mm (16-35/f4) Attachment: STORM-N-0307.jpg (Downloaded 30 times)
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| Posted by highlander: Tue Oct 10th, 2017 12:39 | 12th Post |
| Both taken straight from camera as raw file and resized to same dimensions to upload
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| Posted by Eric: Tue Oct 10th, 2017 13:06 | 13th Post |
highlander wrote:14mm (14-24/f2.8) That's a good result for the 14mm....the 16mm shows it's posibly? wide enough.
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| Posted by jk: Tue Oct 10th, 2017 13:10 | 14th Post |
| Is that Ffordes?
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| Posted by highlander: Wed Oct 11th, 2017 14:45 | 15th Post |
jk wrote:Is that Ffordes? It is indeed
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| Posted by amazing50: Tue Oct 24th, 2017 12:09 | 16th Post |
jk wrote:I have a Sigma FX 12-24 f4-5.6 that I got from Eric five or six years ago, maybe longer! Tried mine on the D850 and had similar results at 12mm, when peeping at 100%. Some sharpening seems to work well. Won't hesitate to use it with the D850.
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| Posted by highlander: Tue Oct 24th, 2017 12:10 | 17th Post |
| I went with the wider option - 14-24/2.8 in the end. I am liking the results. Attachment: STORM-N-0589.jpg (Downloaded 18 times)
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| Posted by amazing50: Tue Oct 24th, 2017 13:14 | 18th Post |
| Looks great
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| Posted by hj: Sun Jul 22nd, 2018 16:42 | 19th Post |
Robert wrote:I took this with it a couple of nights ago, D3, Nikkor 18-35mm f3.5-4.5, 28mm, 5 seconds at f5.6, ISO800 I love that photo. I'll follow your settings and hope to duplicate the technique.
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| Posted by Robert: Sun Jul 22nd, 2018 17:03 | 20th Post |
hj wrote:I love that photo. Thanks HJ, it was one of those 'happy accidents' which worked out better than expected. The plan was star trails around a lighthouse but there was too much traffic on a nearby road. I can look up the Lr settings and post a screenshot. OK Made the screenshot... Gives you all the major settings plus a little tweak of the curves to fine tune it. Have fun. Attachment: Screen Shot 2018-07-22 at 22.06.10.jpg (Downloaded 8 times)
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| Posted by GeoffR: Sun Jul 29th, 2018 07:54 | 21st Post |
jk wrote: I have a Sigma FX 12-24 f4-5.6 that I got from Eric five or six years ago, maybe longer!The Sigma 12-24 that I had was every bit as large as the 14-24 though I think mine was f2.8, it was a good lens but the Nikon 14-24 f2.8 is better.
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