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Posted: Sat May 19th, 2012 15:09
 
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Hello everyone,

I'm very very new to the DSLR World and the photography world in general. I just bought my Nikon D3100 a couple of weeks ago. The only lens I have right now is the 18-55mm lens that came with the body when I purchased it.

I don't have the cash for an additional lens right now, so my mom thought she would do something nice and got me a "Close-Up Macro Lens Set 55mm" from amazon.com. Now, I don't know if I'm just an idiot or what the deal is...but none of the lens attachments in the lens set seem to fit. I thought you would just need to screw them onto the top of the camera lens. Perhaps I'm doing it wrong?

If anyone would help that would be really awesome. Thanks.

-Melissa



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hi melissa ,simple mistake for a newbie ,the 18-55mm on your lens equates to its focal length i.e from 18mm wide angle to 55mm zoomed out .what you should have ordered ( but there not much good anyway) is your filter thread size ,very easy to find if you take off your lens cap the thread size will be stamped inside .
if in doubt ask on here before buying and explain that your new to photography and nikons ,be careful buying lenses for your camera as a lot of older lenses will not work on the d3100 as it has no internal motor to drive the focus .
any lens you buy must be suffixed by AFS

 




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Hi!

Thanks for your reply. I really appreciate it.

Well, that makes sense now that I looked at the lens cap. Luckily, I didn't waste any money purchasing them since they were a gift.

But you're saying a set like that isn't much good anyway? Would you mind elaborating on why? :)



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Hi Mellisa, Welcome to the forum.

The 18-55 is a zoom lens, the close up lenses are intended to screw onto the front of your camera lens just like a filter. There are many different sizes of thread, 52mm, 55mm, 62mm, 67mm, etc. You can get adaptors from one size to another. I think your lens has a 52mm thread, so if I am right, all you need is an adaptor from 52mm (lens) to 55mm (filter). You should get one cheaply in any local friendly camera shop.

As for the suitability of screw on close up lenses, OK, they are't perfect, the quality may not match the rest of the gear, lens and camera, but as a starters kit it is a good and inexpensive way to have a go at close up photography. A set usually comprises of 1, 2, and 3 diopter lenses and sometimes a 5 diopter, which can be a bit extreme for most needs.

You CAN fit older lenses on the D3100, I regularly use my old 55mm Micro Nikkor on the D3100 BUT ONLY in fully manual mode, which as a beginner might be a bit much for you. I have even used my 300mm f2.8 MF lens on my D3100, and been surprised by the quality of the images.

For close up work I recommend a good solid tripod, focus is critical when you get close in. With the D3100 you have a secret weapon... Turn on live view by turning the lever top right of the screen, then zoom in on the detail with the magnifier button (I don't mean zoom the lens!) if you turn off the autofocus (AF) you should be able to focus exactly on what you want because you can zoom right in to the detail on the screen. Focus the lens manually and you should see the parts you want sharp snap into focus when you rotate the focus ring on the lens. All this is much easier with a tripod. And easier to do than explain!

The main thing is to relax and have fun. This digital film is free, if you mess up it didn't cost a dime. When you get it right it's very rewarding.



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Hi Robert,

Thank you for the kind welcome!

Would something like this suffice as an adapter to make the macro close up lenses work?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002E3WJU/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=A1WFSHX6J483SX

Went ahead and posted a link to amazon since I would rather be sure it's right this time! The closest thing we have to a camera shop here is Best Buy...and they're not the most friendly and usually aren't very knowledgeable either.

Thanks for the tip on the secret weapon! I think I understand what you mean with the tripod and turning off the AF. I read somewhere that if I were to use these macro lenses from the kit that I won't even be able to use auto focus and will have no other choice but to use manual focus. Is this true?

I have definitely been having a lot of fun! I just wish I could devote even more time to it. 



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Robert wrote:
Hi Mellisa, Welcome to the forum.
This digital film is free, if you mess up it didn't cost a dime. When you get it right it's very rewarding.


Welcome Melissa, what Robert says is not quite true. :banghead:
If you were to capture 1000 shots each week your camera would be very likely to need major repair or replacement inside 2 years.:sick:
That's still very much cheaper than film ever was:-):-):-)



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Doug wrote: Robert wrote:
Hi Mellisa, Welcome to the forum.
This digital film is free, if you mess up it didn't cost a dime. When you get it right it's very rewarding.


Welcome Melissa, what Robert says is not quite true. :banghead:
If you were to capture 1000 shots each week your camera would be very likely to need major repair or replacement inside 2 years.:sick:
That's still very much cheaper than film ever was:-):-):-)

Really? Well, that's not so good. What happens to it?

I don't think I've captured 1000 shots per week since I've had it. Maybe about a third of that though.

Now I feel like I should be worried! This new camera is like my baby! lol



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moonlight1811 wrote:

Would something like this suffice as an adapter to make the macro close up lenses work?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002E3WJU/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=A1WFSHX6J483SX


Hi Melissa

Welcome to the forum. That step-up adaptor is exactly what you want.
The depth of field is very shallow with one of the close-up filters. Tripod is probably needed although you can get away with handolding when there is plenty of light ( like in Texas;-)).

AF might be OK.

Watch out for distortion at the edges ... This is a fact of life wit these things unless you buy expensive achromatic versions.

Have fun and post some pics

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If your lens is 52mm and the close up lenses are 55mm then yes that is exactly what you need.

In a way your mom may have done you a favour, getting the 55mm close up lenses means if you do get another lens for your camera, they have a better chance of them fitting directly, provided of course it has 52 or 55mm threads.

The depth of focus for close up images is always very shallow, no matter what the method. The greater the magnification the shorter the distance which contains an acceptably sharp image becomes.

The only way to get closer without loosing depth of focus is to crop the image and enlarge the displayed image but that still has severe limitations.



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moonlight1811 wrote:
Doug wrote: Robert wrote:
Hi Mellisa, Welcome to the forum.
This digital film is free, if you mess up it didn't cost a dime. When you get it right it's very rewarding.


Welcome Melissa, what Robert says is not quite true. :banghead:
If you were to capture 1000 shots each week your camera would be very likely to need major repair or replacement inside 2 years.:sick:
That's still very much cheaper than film ever was:-):-):-)

Really? Well, that's not so good. What happens to it?

I don't think I've captured 1000 shots per week since I've had it. Maybe about a third of that though.

Now I feel like I should be worried! This new camera is like my baby! lol


Well when I made that statement I was referring to the the cost of the film media, not the wear and tear on the camera hardware, which I think is fairly clear in my text.

If Doug wants to introduce the wear and tear aspect then I suppose that is a factor. But, I suspect if Mellisa is so keen and takes 1000 exposures a week over two years that will be over 100,000 exposures. from her own estimate of 300/week that will be 31,000 over two years.

If Mellisa takes that many images, I suspect after two years she may feel a replacement with a more capable camera may be justified at that time? Perhaps a D7200?


As a matter of interest I checked out the shutter failure rates for the D3000 and D5000 (Not specifically the D3100).

This data is not verified so take it with a pinch of salt, ignore the extremes. Remember most people just take pix, they don't usually take the time to report non failure. The camera has a 12 month guarantee, if it survives the first year of fairly busy usage I would venture that it will be OK for a lot more clicks.

http://www.olegkikin.com/shutterlife/

I feel I use my D200's pretty intensively, they have <15,000 clicks. It's rare on this forum to hear of a shutter failure in a consumer camera. Occasionally one of the pro users has a problem but that will usually be with a heavily used pro camera.



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