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It would appear Apple has finally updated the iMac. New versions due in November and December. I can finally replace my 7 year old machine and process photographs in lightening fast speed. Well maybe as long as Nikon gets the pixel war under control.

Now all I have to do is convince my boss that we need a new computer. :bowing:

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Well if you get the new top end iMac with the 27" screen then you will get to process and show the images as a slideshow in record time on a superb screen.

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I am afraid my budget will limit me to the 21.5 inch model with upgraded RAM. Santa has children and grand children to tend to. :-O

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To help the budget slightly don't get the RAM from Apple, get it from Crucial or OWC.

Try the iMac without extra RAM because I have done speed tests with my Mac mini's and there is now little or any measurable difference with or without extra RAM. The way Apple have the system configured is very efficient.

It's very easy to install yourself, or was on all previous versions of the iMac, but take full anti static precautions. You will be unlikely to make the RAM unusable but it can affect the reliability of the internal circuitry of the RAM if you give the chips a static jolt.

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Excellent advice as always Robert - thanks.

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Yes good advice.
RAM installation is very easy and costs 1/2 the price from Apple. Then you ebay the old RAM and you have a fine upgrade!

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New computers always go faster than me when I first get them...so I never have need to upgrade them out of the box.

:-)

In the case of Windows machines I always know when it's time to upgrade or reinstall the OS, as I find the same machine now cant keep up with me.
Which explains why, as I got older, I havent needed to upgrade that regularly.

:rofl:

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Eric wrote: New computers always go faster than me when I first get them...so I never have need to upgrade them out of the box.

:-)

In the case of Windows machines I always know when it's time to upgrade or reinstall the OS, as I find the same machine now cant keep up with me.
Which explains why, as I got older, I havent needed to upgrade that regularly.

:rofl:
:lol:  I think that you are just being more considered.


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I notice that Apple seems to have dropped the Macbook Pro 17" from their line.
That is a great shame as it made for a fabulous portable editing machine.
I suppose that forces me to get a 15" Retina display when I come to get my next unit in a year or two.

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jk wrote:
Yes good advice.
RAM installation is very easy and costs 1/2 the price from Apple. Then you ebay the old RAM and you have a fine upgrade!

Only the 27" allows user upgrades of Ram - this probably means the ram is soldered in to the 21.5 which offers performance improvements over removable ram, but is majorly inconvenient

Soldered ram better than DIMMs

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jk wrote:
I notice that Apple seems to have dropped the Macbook Pro 17" from their line.
That is a great shame as it made for a fabulous portable editing machine.
I suppose that forces me to get a 15" Retina display when I come to get my next unit in a year or two.

I found the missing 17" also odd. However, I was listening to a radio show with a bunch of "experts" talking about the future of desktop, laptop, and tablets. The general consensus was laptops will go away in the future and desktops as more of a server an tablets for portability.
o.O

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Robert wrote: To help the budget slightly .........

 
Unfortunately for my bank account Robert has converted me to using Mac so I'll be looking for a second hand MacBook Pro on ebay for christmas

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Squarerigger wrote:
jk wrote:
I notice that Apple seems to have dropped the Macbook Pro 17" from their line.
That is a great shame as it made for a fabulous portable editing machine.
I suppose that forces me to get a 15" Retina display when I come to get my next unit in a year or two.

I found the missing 17" also odd. However, I was listening to a radio show with a bunch of "experts" talking about the future of desktop, laptop, and tablets. The general consensus was laptops will go away in the future and desktops as more of a server an tablets for portability.
o.O

If they add a stylus (like galaxy note) to the iPad and up it's processing power, it may be possible to edit photos on a tablet. But I suspect we will all be doing editing on desktops for some time. ( you hear this from the man who was present at the 1974 launch of Hula Hoops snack food in the UK, and predicted"they will never sell")
:rofl:

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Andy wrote:
Robert wrote: To help the budget slightly .........

 
Unfortunately for my bank account Robert has converted me to using Mac so I'll be looking for a second hand MacBook Pro on ebay for christmas

Sorry! But you do like it? ;-)

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Andy, once you buy you will love. The initial conversion problem is identifying which programs to get for the Apple you will find that there is less need for loads of extra programs as the programs are better designed and have more functionality.

Ask and we will help you.
Windows program name ?. ====> Apple equivalent.

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There doesn't seem to be much difference in performance between the new and old iMacs. Both max out with a 3.4 GHz quad-core i7.

The major difference is that the new ones are thinner, don't have a Superdrive, and have some different I/O ports (no more FireWire).

I'd consider getting an older one depending on your I/O needs. Here are the specs:

Was and Still is: Configurable to 3.4GHz quad-core Intel Core i7
Was: Configurable to 2TB HD or 256GB SS second drive; Now: Configurable to 3TB HD or 768GB SS second drive
Was: Max RAM 16GB;  Now: 32 GB
Was and Still is: Two Thunderbolt ports on 27-inch iMac
Was: Mini DisplayPort  (none mentioned on new iMac)
Was: One FireWire 800 port  (none mentioned on new iMac)
Was: Four USB 2.0 ports; Now: four USB 3.0 ports
Was: SDXC card slot  (none mentioned on new iMac)
Was: Slot-loading 8x SuperDrive; (none mentioned on new iMac)
Was and Still is: Gigabit Ethernet

Edit: Max RAM on the old iMac (Mid-2011) can supposedly be bumped to 32 GB. The value of doing so is questionable.

I have 12 GB in my 27" 3.4GHz quad-core Intel Core i7 and it's plenty fast (standard 4GB + $40 8GB module from Crucial). I threw some Photoshop Liquify filters at a 100 MB D800 file and it took it only a few seconds. Then I up-rezzed the file to make it stupidly large and did some more Liquifying and it only took a few more seconds. Finally, I did an Oil Painting effect on the stupidly large file and that took 40 seconds, not really all that long considering it was creating jillions of fake brush strokes.

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Dave Groen wrote:
There doesn't seem to be much difference in performance between the new and old iMacs. Both max out with a 3.4 GHz quad-core i7.

The major difference is that the new ones are thinner, don't have a Superdrive, and have some different I/O ports (no more FireWire).

I'd consider getting an older one depending on your I/O needs. Here are the specs:

Was and Still is: Configurable to 3.4GHz quad-core Intel Core i7
Was: Configurable to 2TB HD or 256GB SS second drive; Now: Configurable to 3TB HD or 768GB SS second drive Doug says - and Fusion Drive*
Was: Max RAM 16GB;  Now: 32 GB Doug says - 27" Only - User upgradeable, the 21.5 only offers 16GB max as a factory option*
Was and Still is: Two Thunderbolt ports on 27-inch iMac
Was: Mini DisplayPort  (none mentioned on new iMac) Doug says - Thunderbolt IS mini displayport*
Was: One FireWire 800 port  (none mentioned on new iMac) Doug says - Still available via Thunderbolt adapter/hub etc - this is a non issue*
Was: Four USB 2.0 ports; Now: four USB 3.0 ports Doug says - Yay
Was: SDXC card slot  (none mentioned on new iMac) Doug says - SDXC card slot (in awkward rear location!).*
Was: Slot-loading 8x SuperDrive; (none mentioned on new iMac) Doug says - No Superdrive in these models - Optical is the new Floppy, if you need it buy an external or share the drive from another Mac*
Was and Still is: Gigabit Ethernet

Edit: Max RAM on the old iMac (Mid-2011) can supposedly be bumped to 32 GB. The value of doing so is questionable. Doug says - if by questionable you mean advantageous for some, pointless for many**

I have 12 GB in my 27" 3.4GHz quad-core Intel Core i7 and it's plenty fast (standard 4GB + $40 8GB module from Crucial). I threw some Photoshop Liquify filters at a 100 MB D800 file and it took it only a few seconds. Then I up-rezzed the file to make it stupidly large and did some more Liquifying and it only took a few more seconds. Finally, I did an Oil Painting effect on the stupidly large file and that took 40 seconds, not really all that long considering it was creating jillions of fake brush strokes.

*More Info here
http://macperformanceguide.com/blog/2012/20121023_2-new-iMac.html
and here**
http://macperformanceguide.com/blog/2012/20120725_3-MacPro-80GB-memory-Photoshop-usage.html

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jk wrote: Andy, once you buy you will love. The initial conversion problem is identifying which programs to get for the Apple you will find that there is less need for loads of extra programs as the programs are better designed and have more functionality.

Ask and we will help you.
Windows program name ?. ====> Apple equivalent.
Got an IBook G4 from ebay and its just got me hooked....

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Quick question, all my photography files are backed up on g-tech raid system. It has esata, usb2.0, and firewire connections. The new iMac does not appear to have any of those connections. Do I have to get a new raid??

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Sonnet and maybe OWC do an adaptor from thunderbolt to firewire I think, maybe also eSATA, eSATA would be my choice.

For backup USB2 would be OK into USB3 but I am not a fan of USB for hard drives. Most of my external drives are 'G' Tech, using USB has a serious impact on speed compared with FW but for backup it wouldn't matter.

This is one link:

http://www.lacie.com/us/products/product.htm?id=10574

That would allow you to plug in two eSATA drives I think. I am getting behind with this technology!

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There is a adapter from Sonnet and also other manufacturers have seen the opportunity. I expect to see a flood of Thunderbolt to eSATA,SATA, USB, Firewire adapters coming soon.

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Robert wrote:
Sonnet and maybe OWC do an adaptor from thunderbolt to firewire I think, maybe also eSATA, eSATA would be my choice.

For backup USB2 would be OK into USB3 but I am not a fan of USB for hard drives. Most of my external drives are 'G' Tech, using USB has a serious impact on speed compared with FW but for backup it wouldn't matter.

This is one link:

http://www.lacie.com/us/products/product.htm?id=10574

That would allow you to plug in two eSATA drives I think. I am getting behind with this technology!

Thanks Robert, my mind is at ease and the planets are all back in alignment. I was very concerned my G-Tech Raid system was already obsolete. This technology train is going way too fast nowadays. Or maybe as I get older I am slowing down more and just don't care to keep up with the tech party.

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jk wrote:
There is a adapter from Sonnet and also other manufacturers have seen the opportunity. I expect to see a flood of Thunderbolt to eSATA,SATA, USB, Firewire adapters coming soon.
Good news indeed Jonathan.


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