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Posted by Iain: Thu Nov 26th, 2015 13:59

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I have a problem since coming back to Nikon. I import my images into lightroom but when I open them in the develop mode, the image comes up as I expect for a split second, then LR seems to put some sort of settings in that make the image go flat.

I then have to rework the image to get what I want. This did not happen with Canon images, is there some sort of preset that LR is putting on Nikon images that i need to turn off?

Any help much appreciated

Posted by jk: Thu Nov 26th, 2015 16:02

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The initial view you see in LR is the thumbnail representation of the image from the RAW. The view you see when you go into the Develop module is the RAW image as read out by LR. I think there is a bug or design flaw in LR as it should adjust the RAW to try and match the thumbnail image header but it doesnt. Some argue that it is not possible to do this as LR does know what to do but that is in truth complete BS!

You can actually develop your own preset that you can apply to all your images that gets them to your look and feel but it means a little work for you to work this out the first time then since each image is slightly different you need to then adjust again to get them as you like!

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Posted by Iain: Thu Nov 26th, 2015 16:11

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Thanks Jonathan, I think that is what I may have to do.

Posted by jk: Thu Nov 26th, 2015 16:17

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Adjust one image so it looks like the way ot showed in the initial thumbnail.
Then do a Save Settings As Preset.
Apply this Preset selectively to images NOT as you Import preset. You can do it as your import preset but long term it may cause you grief!

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Posted by Iain: Thu Nov 26th, 2015 16:45

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Thanks again, I'll give that a go over the weekend.

Posted by Robert: Thu Nov 26th, 2015 17:28

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I came across this reply to a similar question on the Adobe forum:

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"At first, you see the JPG preview, with in camera modifications, based upon your camera settings. (also, in Windows explorer, you are seeing the JPG preview, with in camera modifications, based upon your camera settings.)

So Lightroom shows you the JPG preview until it can render the RAW image and display it on your screen. So, next you see the Lightroom rendered RAW photo, which has none of the in camera JPG modifications. In layman's terms, Lightroom is showing a representation of the image as your sensor saw it. So Lightroom is NOT changing the appearance of your image; it is showing you the image as the sensor saw it; the in camera algorithms that create the JPG are changing the appearance of your image.

There is no way for Lightroom to match, automatically, the in-camera modifications, based upon your camera settings. It doesn't know about your camera settings, and it doesn't have the same algorithms that are in the camera chip that are used to produce the JPG.

You must modify the RAW image yourself, if straight out of the camera, it is not pleasing to you. Most people who use Lightroom will tell you that they can produce more pleasing images using Lightroom that the JPG that comes out of the camera. But you have to edit the image yourself.

There is no way in Lightroom to disable the way it handles RAW photos. Your only choice would be to use different software, like the camera manufacturer's software, which can interpret the camera settings."

This may explain why the Canon images didn't 'suffer' form this phenomenon.

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Posted by jk: Fri Nov 27th, 2015 03:29

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Yes, I have seen that article. I agree with it in most part but the bit about being unable to match the JPG/RAW is not true. Anything is possible programatically but it cost. They could if they wanted to but it would mean that they had to do extra processing to match and people would still complain it wasnt an exact match!

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Posted by Robert: Fri Nov 27th, 2015 03:53

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I just thought it explained it rather well, without getting too technical.

There may well also be copyright issues involved in using the same algorithms as the camera manufacturer? They seem to get rather tetchy about these things...

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Posted by Iain: Fri Nov 27th, 2015 11:53

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jk wrote:
Adjust one image so it looks like the way ot showed in the initial thumbnail.
Then do a Save Settings As Preset.
Apply this Preset selectively to images NOT as you Import preset. You can do it as your import preset but long term it may cause you grief!
Done this and it works a treat. Thanks Jonathan.

Posted by jk: Fri Nov 27th, 2015 13:18

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Great news that it works for you. :-)

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Posted by richw: Wed Dec 2nd, 2015 08:28

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I normally apply a camera calibration preset, normal Portrait or Landscape upon image download, I find this gives a better starting point for processing. I am more and more often tempted to shoot JPG these days, but I stuff up too often to do this.

Posted by Iain: Sun Dec 6th, 2015 15:34

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I've shot a few things in JPEG and the results are good

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