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Posted: Sun Nov 24th, 2013 17:36
 
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I know this used to work fine for me before I migrated three of my Apple machines to Mavericks as they were all on Snow Leopard and LR4.

I will retest with the setup and document if I can get time later this week.

But if the drive is a local drive that can be mapped (is shared) then it should work fine across multiple machines across the network. So the LRCat file and the images live on one drive that is attached as a shared drive to a single machine and this data can be accessed from another machine.

One thing that I havent tested but I dont think it would work is multiple users on different machines accessing the same LRCat file. Adobe dont make multi-user applications.
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Tom, in answer to your question.
I use LR for all my catalogs. I have two catalogs one that is pre-2006 which includes early NEFs, JPGs and scanned images (about 55000 images) and a main/current post-2006 of all my recent images which is about 70000 images.

When I am travelling I shoot and copy my files to a portable hard disk so when I return I then copy them directly back to my main image store drive. I then import these files with their xmp files if I have done any editing, into my main catalog.
Once the images are imported I make sure the metadata are synchronised and then I delete the images off the portable drive.

I keep my LR5 cat file on the image storage drive so any machine can use it.


Thanks...that's just about what I'm settling in to as my workflow, except that I use my macbook rather than a portable drive. I can see where the portable drive makes it almost impossible to make mistakes though and maybe I should consider one...



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jk wrote:
I keep my LR5 cat file on the image storage drive so any machine can use it.

JK, how do you access the drive with the Lr5 cat file on it from multiple computers? I have tried sitting it on a server but Lr refuses to access server based cat files.


Why not just use dropbox. In either case, LR saves you from errors by locking the file when you open it on one machine. If you try to open it on another, it will open read only

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jk wrote:
I know this used to work fine for me before I migrated three of my Apple machines to Mavericks as they were all on Snow Leopard and LR4.

I will retest with the setup and document if I can get time later this week.

But if the drive is a local drive that can be mapped (is shared) then it should work fine across multiple machines across the network. So the LRCat file and the images live on one drive that is attached as a shared drive to a single machine and this data can be accessed from another machine.

One thing that I havent tested but I dont think it would work is multiple users on different machines accessing the same LRCat file. Adobe dont make multi-user applications.
:devil:


JK-

The thing I don't understand about your setup is how it manages the lrcat for the laptop that is NOT on the network???

Isn't it simpler to just use some cloud storage space like dropbox and then you have the lrcat physically on each machine and it's constantly updated in the cloud for the other machines????



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Dropbox and Cloud storage dont work for me as the internet connectivity is too poor. That said I would never do that. I have just returned to service on Saturday night after 36 hours of internet outage due to ISP network issues.



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Test 1
MacPro (Mavericks) with USB attached HDD containing images and LR5Cat.
Macbook Air (Mavericks) with me Connecting as myself using account on MacPro by wireless sharing to MacPro so I can see disks and files. Confirm that USB disk is visible and accessible in RW mode as I can move, write, delete files on the USB attached drive from the MacBook Air.

Load LR5 it sees the USB drive and the LR5 cat file but refuses to let the catalog be used.  Standard error message about remote drive access, which is rubbish as the drive when attached to the MacPro in USB mode is visible.

Hmm..... Used to work.
Currently Photoshop CS6 can access the MacPro and USB attached drive to load the file and edit it, then save it back by accessing the MacPro attached USB drive.



Next step is to try same configuration but access via Macbook Pro 15" with Snow Leopard instead of Macbook Air with Mavericks.  However I will need to use LR3 or LR4 as LR5 needs 10.7.x (Lion) or above.




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Test 2
Macbook Pro 15" with Snow Leopard instead of Macbook Air with Mavericks. However I needed to use LR4.4 as LR5 needs 10.7.x (Lion) or above.

Got the same error as on the Macbook Air testing when trying to access the LR4cat file over the network that is on my MacPro via USB link.

So I have tested with a local copy of the catalog which I copied from the USB drive attached to the MacPro over the network to the Macbook Pro disk and located on my Desktop.
This works no problem. This is expected behaviour.

I guess this inability to work over a network mapped drive is a design issue.  Adobe have designed it this way as it improves the speed of LR in its handling of editing.
If the cat file was remotely located then there can be big latency (lack of responsiveness) effects and then loss of speed in the application while it waits for the saving of metadata and edit changes and also if the network link is lost then all changes would be lost.


So outcome of these tests is that the Catalog file needs to be local or on a USB drive directly attached to the machine you are working on.



If you want to use the same file then you need to use a mechanism such as DropBox or iCloud synchronisation features.
For me this wont work (as I dont want to use slow internet connections for synchronisation) so I will write some scripts that copy the file between machines or use GoodSync to make sure that the file in use is the latest.



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jk wrote:
Dropbox and Cloud storage dont work for me as the internet connectivity is too poor. That said I would never do that. I have just returned to service on Saturday night after 36 hours of internet outage due to ISP network issues.

Say no more...what a disaster that could cause



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jk wrote:
Test 1
MacPro (Mavericks) with USB attached HDD containing images and LR5Cat.
Macbook Air (Mavericks) with me Connecting as myself using account on MacPro by wireless sharing to MacPro so I can see disks and files. Confirm that USB disk is visible and accessible in RW mode as I can move, write, delete files on the USB attached drive from the MacBook Air.

Load LR5 it sees the USB drive and the LR5 cat file but refuses to let the catalog be used.  Standard error message about remote drive access, which is rubbish as the drive when attached to the MacPro in USB mode is visible.

Hmm..... Used to work.
Currently Photoshop CS6 can access the MacPro and USB attached drive to load the file and edit it, then save it back by accessing the MacPro attached USB drive.



Next step is to try same configuration but access via Macbook Pro 15" with Snow Leopard instead of Macbook Air with Mavericks.  However I will need to use LR3 or LR4 as LR5 needs 10.7.x (Lion) or above.





Only one question...do you have permissions set to read + write???



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jk wrote:
Test 2
Macbook Pro 15" with Snow Leopard instead of Macbook Air with Mavericks. However I needed to use LR4.4 as LR5 needs 10.7.x (Lion) or above.

Got the same error as on the Macbook Air testing when trying to access the LR4cat file over the network that is on my MacPro via USB link.

So I have tested with a local copy of the catalog which I copied from the USB drive attached to the MacPro over the network to the Macbook Pro disk and located on my Desktop.
This works no problem. This is expected behaviour.

I guess this inability to work over a network mapped drive is a design issue.  Adobe have designed it this way as it improves the speed of LR in its handling of editing.
If the cat file was remotely located then there can be big latency (lack of responsiveness) effects and then loss of speed in the application while it waits for the saving of metadata and edit changes and also if the network link is lost then all changes would be lost.


So outcome of these tests is that the Catalog file needs to be local or on a USB drive directly attached to the machine you are working on.



If you want to use the same file then you need to use a mechanism such as DropBox or iCloud synchronisation features.
For me this wont work (as I dont want to use slow internet connections for synchronisation) so I will write some scripts that copy the file between machines or use GoodSync to make sure that the file in use is the latest.


JK-

Shame there isn't some software available that allows one to set up their own NAS type system that would basically replicate the functionality of Dropbox on a local network (i.e. Replicating the NAS folders directly on the local machines and updating them automatically).

That would be the perfect solution - you go off with the laptop, come back and it updates your "local cloud"



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