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Graham Whistler
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Sept Issue of Practical Photography's review Sept 2014 think so. London Camera Exchange are delivering mine this week so hope to report fully soon. |
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Eric
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Graham Whistler wrote:Sept Issue of Practical Photography's review Sept 2014 think so. One would always expect, or at least hope, that each new model was a step forward. It's the size of that step that defines its ranking for me. Look forward to your assessment of it. |
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Gilbert Sandberg
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Graham, I do not necessarily agree with everything I read (grin) but I do hope you will be satisfied with yours. Regards, Gilbert |
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Graham Whistler
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I have now used both D800 and D800E and no doubt that images from D800E require far less un-sharp mask in Photoshop and are often show more fine detail strait from camera. 6 months after I had purchased the D800 I found myself wishing I had purchased the D800E. I think and hope the D810 will prove to be the right camera for me and the time to make the change is now when the D800 is 2 yrs old and still got good 2nd hand value. I will also have a new camera plus 2 yrs guarantee. |
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Eric
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Graham Whistler wrote:I have now used both D800 and D800E and no doubt that images from D800E require far less un-sharp mask in Photoshop and are often show more fine detail strait from camera. 6 months after I had purchased the D800 I found myself wishing I had purchased the D800E. I will be interested to know how it performs handheld. Maybe it's me but I find these higher mp cameras increasingly difficult to capitalise on their ultimate quality without using a tripod. Being basically a lazy sob I rarely take a tripod out with me, unless it's for a paid assignment. So I am unlikely to realise the potential of 36mp. Handholding I find the D3 12mp is more forgiving ...that's probably why I never upgraded to the D800. The Fuji, despite having 24mp, is a match for the D3. This is because being lighter and slower to use, some of the rush and wobble is prevented. Or maybe it's that all my Fuji lenses, unlike the Nikon ones, have image stabilisation?  |
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amazing50
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Eric, wouldn't being mirroless help the Fuji as well? |
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jk
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The Fuji is currently only 16MP but the next set of Fuji mirrorless cameras are likely to be 24MP. The mirrorless cameras do have an advantage in the vibration stakes as there is no mirror clacking up and down. |
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Eric
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jk wrote:The Fuji is currently only 16MP but the next set of Fuji mirrorless cameras are likely to be 24MP. Oops ..well spotted!  |
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Eric
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amazing50 wrote:Eric, wouldn't being mirroless help the Fuji as well? Yes, you are correct. |
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Robert
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Eric wrote:jk wrote: Err... Wouldn't the shutter have closed (and therefore be immaterial) by the time the mirror was lowered? Some bodies (like the wonderful D200) can have a delay on the shutter to allow the vibes of the mirror slamming against the open buffer to subside before making the exposure. It does make a difference.  |
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amazing50
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Err... Wouldn't the shutter have closed (and therefore be immaterial) by the time the mirror was lowered? It's the mirror hitting the top of the camera on opening that causes the problem. All things being equal the D610 gets sharper pix when using live view at slower shutter speds. |
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jk
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The current design of the DSLR has two major vibration weaknesses. These are: 1. Mirror up vibration - small but noticeable. Hence the pro models all have a Mirror Up option. 2. First shutter blind closing and second shutter blind following it. The mirrorless cameras dont suffer from type1 vibration but do suffer from type2. Unfortunately type2 will be present until we move to electronic shutters or leaf shutters. Electronic shutters are the way forward. http://caspegroup.com/How%20an%20electronic%20shutter%20works%20in%20a%20CMOS%20camera.pdf |
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Graham Whistler
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I collected the D810 an hour ago and first pix is attached as shot NEF to Tiff to JPG full image shown 24-70 AF-S lens 200 ISO. This is as shot with no after work. Handles just like the D800 but auto focus is very much quicker and spot on even in poor light. Attachment: House01.jpg (Downloaded 126 times) |
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Graham Whistler
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Detail from above pix. Looks very sharp on full sized I have needed to reduce size a lot to show you images! There is no doubt that like the D800E little or no unsharp mask should be needed for most images. No sign of any colour fringes etc. NEF Raw files will not open in the latest version of NX2 or Photoshop CS6. But the new Nikon NX-D (this will replace NX-2 in future) with View NX2 seem to open files at once and will process and convert NEFs to what ever you need. Will keep you all informed but so far all very very good! Attachment: House02.jpg (Downloaded 127 times) |
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jk
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Look forward to seeing a NEF when you have more time. |
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Graham Whistler
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No problem to send you a D810 NEF what sort of pix do you want to see? I could send you one in Dropbox? To be honest I do not think images are going to be greatly better than those from the D800 and we are now getting to the limit of what is needed or indeed what the eye can or needs to see. |
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jk
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One of your studio images and one of your landscape images would be great. |
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Graham Whistler
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I will have to take some first! All I have done is a few basic test pix and I'm pleased to say all looks good. |
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jk
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Graham Whistler wrote:I will have to take some first! All I have done is a few basic test pix and I'm pleased to say all looks good.There is no hurry I can wait for your next visit to Wales. I expect that you will be kept indoors by the weather the next few days. We could do with some rain here, we have had less than 80mm in the last year and the whole place is very dry! Normal rainfall is nearly 400mm/year, in two major sessions in March/April and October/November, with sunshine the rest of the time. |
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Graham Whistler
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Not one of my better pixs but it was raining today so put some bits on table with Elinchrom electronic flash and 24-70mm AF-S f2.8 lens, F16 at ISO250 to give some idea of detail will post a blow up from same NEF below. NEF was processed in the new Nikon Capture NX-D.(It is not sold with the camera but in UK is a free dowload.) At the moment only software that will open a D810 NEF.The large Tiff was exported into Photoshop CS6 to produce these JPGs. Attachment: AirPistol0026.jpg (Downloaded 98 times) |
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Graham Whistler
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This is a detail from the same picture file. Attachment: AirPistol0026detail.jpg (Downloaded 101 times) |
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jk
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Not bad shooting. Shame about the 7! |
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Graham Whistler
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JK did you get your e-mail? I have sent you the NEF in Dropbox? If you did not let me know because I may have an old e-mail? You will need to download the new software Nikon Capture NX-D. The targets are slightly yellow so colour bal in the test pix is correct and I set up the WB for my Elinchrom Flash with an 18% Kodak Neutral Test Card using the gray side, setting now stored in d-1. The menus in the D810 (from D800) are changed quite a bit so I am still slowly finding my way with some things. Movie looks to be very much improved but yet to use this. |
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jk
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Thanks Graham, I am downloading. OK, Downloaded. |
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Graham Whistler
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I shall be interested to hear what you think. I think there is no doubt the removal of the anti-aliasing filter produces much sharper NEF files. My only slight worry is what is the story now for cleaning the sensor? LCE say they are not too keen to offer the cleaning service for the D810. I think that CMOS chips are far better than CCDs from dust problems. Two years of using my D800 including several weeks in USA desert regions gave me no problems and the chip was still dust free when I traded it in last week. |
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jk
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I have my cameras do a self-clean on shutdown. Everything since the D3 is so much easier wrt dust and need to clean. |
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richw
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Lightroom and ACR support came out end if July, so you should be able to use these now. |
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jk
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I am using Capture One Pro and LightZone as that works for my Fujis and my Nikons. |
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Graham Whistler
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JK have you looked at the NEF yet, interested to hear what you think. I have now had D810 over a week and have no issues with it at all. I also re read the issue in lens section re the 24-70 AF-S f2.8 with D800E and edge fall-off. This lens is working very well with the new camera and produced the test NEF I sent you.It is still one of the best Nikon lenses I have ever had in terms of sharpness through the range and little or no distortion. Needless to say like nearly all lenses it will not give of it's best at f2.8 with an FX camera but by f5.6 there are no problems. In serious studio photography most of time you are working wit flash and a well stopped down lens! |
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jk
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I have looked at the NEF and cant see a huge difference between the D800, D800E and D810. Yes the D810 probably needs less sharpening before release/use. I have looked at it in Capture Pro 7.2.4 and Nikon Capture NX-D and one other software that I am currently testing (cant say name as I am under NDA). Your image is absolutely spot on with respect to exposure and WB. There again, what else did I expect.  |
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Graham Whistler
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Another still life from the D810 with 24-70mm AF-S f2.8 lens and Elinchrom studio flash. Thanks for your comments on the NEF I sent. Attachment: Garlic0060A4s.jpg (Downloaded 65 times) |
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Constable
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Hi all Well, I could not resist the new toy and I can only agree that the D810 is stunning. Attached is down-rezzed for the forum but gives an indication of the quality. Edit: Actually, it loses a lot in the small jpg. Here is a link to the full-size jpg http://bugsrus.zenfolio.com/img/s6/v147/p275792214.jpg Looking forward to playing with this a lot more. Ed Attachment: DSC_0112.jpg (Downloaded 60 times) |
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jk
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Hi Ed, Good to see you back. So are you parallel running with the Nikon and the Canon stuff ? The water droplets look very clear but you need to see the real thing to appreciate fully I guess. |
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jk
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Graham Whistler wrote: Another still life from the D810 with 24-70mm AF-S f2.8 lens and Elinchrom studio flash. Graham my EXIF reader is saying that the image was shot with 105mm at f18.  |
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Constable
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Hi Jonathon Parallel .... not really a problem. The Canon long lenses are a dream compared to Nikon ... just a question of the right tool for the right job. I'm not really happy with the jpg conversion ... do you have a good set of presets in C1? Ed |
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Graham Whistler
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es sorry you are right I forgot I had changed the lens, getting older! It's the f2.8 105 Macro AL-S also very sharp lens. Another pix done at same time. Attachment: Squash0048.jpg (Downloaded 58 times) |
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jk
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I am running with Fuji XT1, XPro1, XE1 with a pretty full set of Fuji lenses, these provide as good quality as my D600 but not so much detail as the D800, which I dont use that much unless I am doing promo work which is only very occasionally. The D800 is really great for landscape as it can render very subtle detail. I have promised myself no more cameras until I find out what is happening at Photokina next month. Regarding C1 presets I use a mixture of handcrafted sharpening and output. I have also started to use LR5.6 much more as I seem to have started to understand some of the evil/twisted logic of it controls and indeed unless the image is from a Fuji X-Trans camera then I tend to use that as my export mechanism for jpgs. I have different presets for Nikon and Fuji sharpening and output so this seems to work. For high quality output then I use C1 and output to TIFF and manage the image versions via LR. Hope this helps as a general pointer. I can tell you individual settings if you need examples. Just PM me if you need more info. |
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jk
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Yes the 105mm AFS VR is a great macro. I got one when I moved to using my 105mm AFD in my underwater setup. I still like the Sigma 150mm f2.8 Macro EX HSM IS for my insect and flower macro images and also big head portraits. |
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Graham Whistler
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I also find the 105mm Macro very good for portraits with FX cameras. Depth of field can be a problem with the garlic pix above the end of the stalks was just out. You asked to see a landscape this is with the D3X in Capetown S Africa. I will be in Scotland with the D810 end of Sept so will do my best to get more then! Attachment: CapePoint1160A4s.jpg (Downloaded 53 times) |
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jk
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Wow. Huge range of tones in the sky not to mention the sea. |
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jk
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Found a thought provoking blog post. http://aboutphotography-tomgrill.blogspot.nl/2014/08/fuji-x-t1-and-nikon-d810-how-do-they.html Since I have an XT1 and a D800, but not D810, and whilst I may prefer the lighter weight of the XT1 I have to say that if I was shooting professionally (a paid for assignment) then I would feel more comfortable using my Nikons. |
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Graham Whistler
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I agree things have changed a lot in last 2 years. I find the little Sony RX10 produces all the quality I need most of the time.(Now I am semi retired.) Comparing like for like between the D800 and the Sony even on an A3+ print there is very little in it. With the smaller sensor the Sony has more depth of field compared with the same shot taken with an FX Nikon. The Sony small size is a major advantage if you are out and about on holiday. IE it tends to be with you compared with the weight and size of a Nikon FX and 4 lenses in a large bag! If I was still working as a full time advertising photographer it would be the D810 every time as clients would not take you seriously with a little compact! |
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novicius
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Constable wrote:Hi Jonathon Having used a variety of telephoto`s ranging from Novoflex.. Leitz Telyt etc., thereby decently versed in their differences I was wondering how You perceive the differences between Nikkor vs. Canon tele`s , are we talking .. color rendition .. contrast .. curveture of field .. balance .. or perhaps the overall " feel " , and what lenses , f ex , 300mm 2.8 or 300 4.5 from either |
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jk
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I am really interested in their delivery of Highlight metering for backlit and similar scenes. I guess this is a mode that would be really useful for my flamenco dance images but especially for birders who shoot birds against the sky. OK it is just a fancy method of read exposure, then EV+2 to reading but I guess it allows for tuning by the user. |
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Constable
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Hi Noviclus Primarily weight and form factor. The optical quality is very similar to my eye. Ed |
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ttreppa
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Graham and others, I've been reading this topic with interest. I presently have a D3X and am considering trading it in for a 810. In your opinion would this be a move in the right direction? I photo people in various situations at church, halls, Lions activities such as at parties, golf outings, and at our camp for visually impaired children. I print on an Epson 2800. The photos are really good especially when I compare them to my first digital camera that had 1.5 MP or my first Nikon D. The printers were dye inks. Now there are pigment. Thank you in advance for your responses. I do check in daily and see what is happening. Terry Treppa |
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Judith
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Constable wrote:Hi all Wow! The detail in the larger image is great. |
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Judith
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I'm rather tempted with this camera! It actually weighs slightly less than my d200 and it has been the weight that puts me off the ff cameras. The price difference between buying online and in a shop is baffling though. It costs £2700 in a shop and £1900 online. If the price difference was, say, £200 or £300, it's a no brainer, go to the shop for the convenience and customer service etc. But £800!! *chokes * I could get a lens or two for that. Trouble is I would have to buy at least one new lens. My shiny new 70-300vr is fx so that's fine but my also still shiny 18-105 isn't. What would I need to replace that one for the d810? |
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amazing50
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Judith, your 18-105 will work on the D810, just that it will be in DX mode with the same 1.5x crop that you get on your D200. The pix however, will only be 15Mp in size;~). |
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Judith
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But what fx lens would be a sort of equivalent if I wanted an upgrade? |
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amazing50
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The sort of exact equivalent would be 27-157mm. The closest in Nikon are the 24-120 and the 28-300. I have older versions of both of these, no VR. For general shooting with a D610, the 28-300 is my personal choice for all around shooting. This is followed by a Sigma 12x24 or the new, very sharp Sigma f1.4 35mm Art lens. All depends on what you're shooting. If you don't mind aftermarket lenses there are lots of good ones from which to choose. |
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Graham Whistler
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Just returned after 2 weeks in Scotland with the D810 this pix is taken on the island of Islay on the NW coast using my 24-70 AF-S at 24mm 1/160 at f18 320 ISO. Attachment: Islay111.jpg (Downloaded 42 times) |
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Graham Whistler
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Another taken at same time! Attachment: Islay116.jpg (Downloaded 42 times) |
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Graham Whistler
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Same place, another evening but taken with Sony RX10 this time. Even on a dull day you should have your camera with you! Attachment: Islay404.jpg (Downloaded 42 times) |
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amazing50
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Graham, there has been some discussion about diffraction caused by the high pixel count on DSLR's when using using large f numbers. I noticed that you used f18 on some of your shots. Is it a problem with large images? |
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Graham Whistler
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I used f18 as I needed plenty of depth of field. The images all look good to me but I had to work very fast as the sun went down in under 5 mins and I was rushing about looking for good angles. It is early days for me with the camera to pick up on any problems but so far it does all my D800 did but a little bet better using the same set of lenses. |
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amazing50
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Was wondering if the removal of the anti-aliasing filter had any effect on the diffraction issue. Not sure how they calculate diffraction, vaguely remember a Physics class where we shone an arc light through a tiny slit etc. |
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jk
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Judith the closest FX equivalent is the 24-120 f4 AFS VR but this is not a 'great' lens. I looked at getting this as itis better than earlier versions but not as good as the 24-70 f2.8 AFS. The best lens in that range is the 24-70mm f2.8 AFS. I have it and the 70-300 AFS VR and they are superb on my D800 and D600. If you use it with the 70-300 AFS VR then you are well set. All you need is a lens like the Sigma 14mm f2.8 or a 14-24 zoom and you are well covered. If you need a 400, 500, 1000 then you need to come back to Spain! Haveyou looked at the D610. I find my D600 to be perfect in that 24MP is great as it has enough MPs to allow cropping but does not eat storage like my D800. |
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jk
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Graham, it is interesting that you find the D810 better than the D800. Can you identify what it is specifically or is it just easier general use or less post-processing? |
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Graham Whistler
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The auto focus is faster and works much better in low light. I found the D3X and D800 both gave problems in the studio when using dramatic back lighting, I have not had the D810 long enough to be 100% but it seems a lot better. I can see no problems with using F18 but there is so much detail in all images I may just not see any slight losses due to diffraction? We all know it is better to keep near to f11 with most lenses but there are times even with a 24mm lens when you need more depth of field. I also agree that the 120-24 AF-S f4 was not one of Nikon's better lenses (I traded in mine when I got the D810) and my 24-70 AF-S is still my top lens for image quality. To be honest it is a great camera and so is the D800 perhaps I need not have done the upgrade but I have no regrets! To sum up the major thing I notice is how little un-sharp mask is needed in Photoshop compared with all previous Nikon DSLRs I have used over the years. |
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Graham Whistler
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Another D810 Islay pix from same place but an early pix needed a bit of Photoshop to get detail in sea. Attachment: Islay101S.jpg (Downloaded 63 times) |
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Eric
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Have just been sent an image taken on the new Samsung phone. Gulp....seriously good quality, in a phone! With regard to the XT comparison.... I have been doing some file cataloging and must say that on the screen, the D7000 and 18-105 lens has surprised me several times with the quality comparied to my other combos...including the XT! What this says to me, is that if you want to compare cameras these days, you now have to do it with A2 prints or bigger! Which begs the question ...how many of us print that big? And if not, why are we bothering with big expensive bulky systems? |
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Robert
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Eric wrote:What this says to me, is that if you want to compare cameras these days, you now have to do it with A2 prints or bigger! Errr,.. That is the drum I have been banging for several years. Answer to your question, because many of us succumb to the Nikon marketing machine and 'peer pressure', as in if 'X' has it then it must be worth shelling out for. I will say it again, my D200 produces images perfectly adequate for MY needs. The only drawback with the D200 is that it stumbles a little when photographing black cats in coal cellars, that's why I feel the need for a D3, to enhance my capacity for dark shadow detail. |
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jk
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I still maintain that my D600 is my best camera. It lacks some of the solidity and functions of the D3 but I really do like it more than my D800. My D3S and D3 are my workhorses that give me all I need for most occasions. I still maintain that 20-24MP is allI need but others may find a need for more. |
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Bob Bowen
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I'm contemplating a D610 or D750 as I get older and do not want the weight around my neck. If I jump my D3 will be up for grabs Robert. |
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Judith
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I've been keeping an eye on d810 prices and just spotted this offer in Jessops. Interesting...£300 discount with a trade in of ANY camera. Might give them a ring to see what the catch is as I'm quite sure they wouldn't be too happy at me handing over my old point and shoot! Lol |
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Iain
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As a Canon user I see the D810 as one of the best all round cameras at the moment. |
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Graham Whistler
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Needless to say I'm well pleased with mine! |
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