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| Posted by Red Dexs: Sat Nov 10th, 2018 02:33 | 1st Post |
| Having decided on my camera (D850) I now need to concentrate on a decent lens for my bird shots, does the Nikon 200-500 work well with a 1.4 TC? Thank you.
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| Posted by Eric: Sat Nov 10th, 2018 07:29 | 2nd Post |
Red Dexs wrote:Having decided on my camera (D850) I now need to concentrate on a decent lens for my bird shots, does the Nikon 200-500 work well with a 1.4 TC? Thank you. Jonathan is probably the best person to answer performance of that specific combination. But generally, zoom lenses, no matter how good or expensive they are, rarely perform well with a TC. There are just too many glass layers in between subject and sensor for perfect IQ. I would also add that to maximise the undoubted quality of the D850 you need to ensure best practise and technique. I believe it would be difficult to achieve its full potential with that lens and a TC. The new Nikon 1.4x TC is excellent and there is no quality loss when using on my 300mm PF prime lens. Graham reports that the new 500mm PF is perfect with this TC. HOWEVER....remember you lose around 1stop exposure with the TC fitted. That means a maximum aperture of f8 for your choice. You might want to consider the Sigma 150-600 that Iain uses so admirably (look at his images on the bird photography thread).
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| Posted by jk: Sat Nov 10th, 2018 08:18 | 3rd Post |
| I havent tried the D850 with TXx1.4 (I dont one) and my Kenko TXx2.0 is in Spain, but the 200-500 is here. For me when I am taking bird photos I prefer the D500 as the AF focus points cover the whole viewfinder compared to the D850. So the D500 tracks better and gives me more sharp images. The D850 extra resolution will allow you to crop directly much more easily and get the same as I get with a D500 and Nikon 200-500. I have to say that with the rebates in USA this week (and Black Friday savings also) on the 200-500 you should go and get one now. However I dont know the pricing for you in Greece. Maybe I need to look at the Nikon TCx1.4 
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| Posted by amazing50: Sat Nov 10th, 2018 18:02 | 4th Post |
| I tested TC's with a Tamron 150-600 mm a while ago and found that a comparable crop was better than a full frame shot with a TC. For birding and nature work I use a Nikon D5300 which has 25mp and no aliasing filters for 225-900mm eq. As a bonus it has a built in GPS, unlike the D850 which requires a dangle. Dangle ?? 
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| Posted by jk: Sun Nov 11th, 2018 05:40 | 5th Post |
amazing50 wrote:I tested TC's with a Tamron 150-600 mm a while ago and found that a comparable crop was better than a full frame shot with a TC. For birding and nature work I use a Nikon D5300 which has 25mp and no aliasing filters for 225-900mm eq. As a bonus it has a built in GPS, unlike the D850 which requires a dangle. That answers the question that Eric has been asking for a while. DX using ccd derived x1.5 is better than FX with TCx1.4.  Logically 20-24MP DX is equivalent to 40-45MP FX. But there is a potential difference due to S/N on smaller photosites.
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| Posted by Red Dexs: Sun Nov 11th, 2018 06:56 | 6th Post |
| I'm not after another crop as I now intend keeping my 7D2 which is an excellent camera. I want a FF hence my choice of the 850, however I used a 1DX2 yesterday and was amazed by it. I buy all my equipment in the UK, normally in Dec when I go back to see the wife.
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| Posted by Eric: Sun Nov 11th, 2018 09:04 | 7th Post |
jk wrote:amazing50 wrote: Errr....not sure I read it like that. I thought 'full frame shot with a TC' in this context meant cropping an image from the D5300 and 150-600 without the TC was better than using the TC with that same combo to get a full frame image of same subject? Which supports my belief that overall, zooms and TCs don't mix. Although Graham says the latest Nikon 1.4 combines well (with only a little detail loss) with the 80-400 Graham is also pretty convinced that DX size cropped (in computer) images from the D850 are better than straight images from the D500....primarily because of noise levels. At least, thats what I believe he said. 
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| Posted by Eric: Sun Nov 11th, 2018 09:14 | 8th Post |
Red Dexs wrote:I'm not after another crop as I now intend keeping my 7D2 which is an excellent camera. I want a FF hence my choice of the 850, however I used a 1DX2 yesterday and was amazed by it. I buy all my equipment in the UK, normally in Dec when I go back to see the wife. Slight difference in price between D850 and IDX2...and at the moment Nikon are giving an extra £450 trade in on top of your cameras px value for the D850.
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| Posted by Red Dexs: Sun Nov 11th, 2018 09:33 | 9th Post |
Eric wrote: Red Dexs wrote:Not that much if you use the 'grey' route.
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| Posted by Eric: Sun Nov 11th, 2018 09:41 | 10th Post |
Red Dexs wrote:Eric wrote:Red Dexs wrote:Not that much if you use the 'grey' route. Doesn't the grey route apply equally for both cameras? I suspect the extra trade in on the d850 reflects the concern that when fully stocked, the Z7 will start to steal significantly from D850 sales. Nikon may have shot themselves in the D850 foot. 
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| Posted by Red Dexs: Sun Nov 11th, 2018 09:45 | 11th Post |
Eric wrote: Red Dexs wrote:1DX2 =£3430, D850= £2220 at Panamoz. Not sure if you guys like the 'Grey' way, if you don't I apologise.
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| Posted by Eric: Sun Nov 11th, 2018 11:18 | 12th Post |
Red Dexs wrote:Eric wrote:Red Dexs wrote:1DX2 =£3430, D850= £2220 at Panamoz. Not sure if you guys like the 'Grey' way, if you don't I apologise. Call me old fashioned. I like to buy from a shop where I can walk in and bang the counter if something goes wrong. A third floor attic room/ office over a cafe in Brighton isn't my idea of comfortable... Attachment: ACE01229-5F6C-46AC-A37D-EB1FB889AAC9.png (Downloaded 24 times)
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| Posted by Red Dexs: Sun Nov 11th, 2018 11:24 | 13th Post |
Eric wrote: Red Dexs wrote:Each to their own. I have used Panamoz for quite a while and had no issues what so ever. One camera went wrong after almost two years and it was sorted without any fuss.
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| Posted by jk: Mon Nov 12th, 2018 01:37 | 14th Post |
| It is all about getting what youwant and risk management. Different strategies for different people.
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| Posted by Eric: Mon Nov 12th, 2018 06:03 | 15th Post |
jk wrote:It is all about getting what youwant and risk management. We all like a bargain. But at the same time we bemoan the lack of camera shops to enable us to evaluate equipment before purchasing. Business rates and property rents have already put the independents out of business, as has internet shopping. So the choice of showrooms is now limited. This is true of most retail areas not just photography. The phrase 'use it or lose it' couldn't ring more true. There is no EU import tax on digital cameras ( not so lenses) so the grey importers are essentially avoiding paying the UKs 20% VAT. When eventually everything we buy comes from China or its territories by these sort of deals, the exchequer will have no alternative but to increase income tax. So it's not just about risk assessment around warranty concerns.
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| Posted by jk: Mon Nov 12th, 2018 09:12 | 16th Post |
Eric wrote: jk wrote:It was the warranty issue I was alluding to with respect to risk management. I buy from FixationUK. I get some discount but not huge. That said FixationUK is part of WEX I think.
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| Posted by Eric: Mon Nov 12th, 2018 13:31 | 17th Post |
jk wrote:Eric wrote:jk wrote:It was the warranty issue I was alluding to with respect to risk management. I buy from FixationUK. I get some discount but not huge. That said FixationUK is part of WEX I think. Fixation U.K. are listed as a private company. But their registered office is the same as WEX in Norwich! WEX and Calumet are now owned by Aurelius Equity Opportunities. So not sure how Fixation fit in as a supposed 'private company'?
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| Posted by GeoffR: Wed Nov 14th, 2018 02:48 | 18th Post |
jk wrote: amazing50 wrote:I am fairly convinced that shooting with a DX camera and no tele-converter will produce a technically better image than shooting the same scene with an FX camera and the same lens with a tele-converter. However, I don't know whether the difference is noticeable at normal viewing distances. Additionally, if one is limited to either DX or FX my preference would be for an FX body over a DX simply because of the greater range of high-end lenses available for FX. There being only one f2.8 "standard" zoom in the Nikon range designed for DX. Given that my choice is FX that would rather necessitate the use of a converter to achieve the same angle of view. My Nikon TC17 11 was markedly cheaper than a D500 body and the amount of use it gets suggests that the latter would have been a waste of money. Others will have a different view based on their circumstances.
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