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| Posted by Graham Whistler: Mon May 21st, 2012 06:10 | 1st Post |
| UK Magazine Amateur Photographer Sat 19 May 2012 have tested back to back Nikon D800E and D800 against the medium format Hasselblad H4D-31.(The Has back tested was 31 mill pix) I think people are going to be amazed that the Nikon at 25% the price has out performed the medium format. I do not want to infringe copyright by reporting exactly what was said. But an interesting point made was that Hasselblad are still on CCDs and these are old hat now compared to the years of development by Nikon on CMOS chips. In the review they state: The D800s sensor works better in almost every measurable way. They have never seen any DSLR with such high res score as the new Nikons. D800 also is not cumbersome to hold or slow to operate with many other advantages.
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| Posted by jk: Mon May 21st, 2012 14:14 | 2nd Post |
| Still trying to get my D800. Hopefully my dealer will be getting me one tomorrow so I can pick it up when I go to my Dad's on Wednesday this week then back to Spain early next week.
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| Posted by Ray Ninness: Mon May 21st, 2012 21:28 | 3rd Post |
jk wrote: Still trying to get my D800. JK are you understandingly trying to pump up the European economy. or what!!! 
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| Posted by jk: Tue May 22nd, 2012 03:42 | 4th Post |
Ray Ninness wrote: jk wrote:Need to offload these Greek drachma that I have stockpiledStill trying to get my D800.  No I decided that I would take the D800 in the second wave which is about now. In fact I planned for June but it is only a couple of weeks away. I really dont need all the features of the D800 (least of all the 36MP) but I do want to see how it works for my flamenco shots and also if I cna push as far as I can with the D3S then I will be very happy to use. I might feel the need to release my D700 and/or D300 at that point. Probably the D300 will go first.
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| Posted by richw: Tue May 22nd, 2012 06:28 | 5th Post |
| Probably a good idea to off load the D300 ASAP, it's looking dated but is still the current model (with an S anyway).
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| Posted by jk: Tue May 22nd, 2012 10:15 | 6th Post |
| Yipeee... My D800 is here. I should have it in my hands on Friday.
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| Posted by Dave Groen: Tue May 22nd, 2012 15:35 | 7th Post |
Mine arrived at my doorstep yesterday, but I wasn't anywhere near my doorstep so they kept it. I picked it up at the parcel delivery office today.
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| Posted by Graham Whistler: Tue May 22nd, 2012 16:29 | 8th Post |
| I hope you chaps are going to be as pleased with your cameras as I am. Let us know how you get on. I am busy looking into the use of the video side and will report in full later.
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| Posted by amazing50: Fri May 25th, 2012 19:25 | 9th Post |
| Interesting article to read. Seems that the D800 E may have rated even higher with better glass. For those wanting optimal results non Nikon glass may be their only solution.
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| Posted by Graham Whistler: Sat May 26th, 2012 04:45 | 10th Post |
| I saw a posting on another web-site from Australia from a photographer who said wide angle lenses giving serious problems with very unsharp pictures with the D800. He would now need to spend serious money on Zeiss w/a lens? I had not as yet needed to do too much wide angle work with mt D800 so I set up a test yesterday with my 14-24mm AF-S f2.8 that with my D3X is one of my sharpest lenses. I am very happy to say all is very well! I did pix of outside of our house with lens at 24 and 14mm settings and at 100ISO took pix from f2.8 to f16. Results are spot on with no change from what I would have seen with the D3X on a similar test. Best results at f8 to f11, f16 still nearly as good so defraction with the high pixel count is not the problem that some so called experts have said would happen with this camera. Even f22 is OK but f16 is as far as I would use in normal working with this lens. f2.8 is not bad but f4 is sharper and f5.6 onwards show remarkable sharpness across whole field. Well done Nikon a great lens and a great camera who needs to spend extra money on Zeiss? Attachment: DSC2547.jpg (Downloaded 53 times)
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| Posted by Graham Whistler: Sat May 26th, 2012 04:49 | 11th Post |
| This is part of same test and again is the 14-24 mm lens at f11 but at 14mm very slight barrel distortion can be seen at left hand side but this is very easy to correct in Photoshop and is no problem. On a small pix as seen it is hard to see just how sharp these images are but trust me there is no problem when looking at full size image on good pro monitor. Attachment: DSC2540.jpg (Downloaded 52 times)
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| Posted by Constable: Sat May 26th, 2012 08:57 | 12th Post |
| Anyone want to play. JK wanted a comparison of S2 and 800E in the wild. Handheld. Leica 120 mm macro versus Zeiss 100 f2 on the 800E Interesting! On a tripod, the S2 wins hands down. But handheld, what do you think? Ed Attachment: Comparison.jpg (Downloaded 43 times)
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| Posted by richw: Sat May 26th, 2012 08:59 | 13th Post |
| Top image for me! I'm guessing that's the D800 and you can pump the ISO up to get a sharp image handheld, the bottom one definitely has blur. I prefer the richer colors of the top image also, but I also prefer it's Bokeh, which is surprising if my guess is right?
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| Posted by Constable: Sat May 26th, 2012 10:31 | 14th Post |
| Not giving an answer yet ... but don't forget the Zeiss 100 is probably the best lens in their line-up and has outstanding bokeh 3:)
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| Posted by Squarerigger: Sat May 26th, 2012 10:42 | 15th Post |
| Have to agree with Rich on this. I like everything about the top photo vs the second photo. :popcorn:
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| Posted by ttreppa: Sat May 26th, 2012 11:03 | 16th Post |
| My vote is for the top photo. The sharpness is great. Terry Treppa
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| Posted by jk: Sat May 26th, 2012 19:24 | 17th Post |
| Top picture I would say is better colour but the lower one seems sharper if you look at the hairs behind the head. I would also say that the lower image is possibly more colour accurate (but only Ed can say that with an conviction). Guessing I'd say top is D800 and bottom is S2 but I'm probably wrong! Thanks for posting Ed.
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| Posted by jk: Sat May 26th, 2012 19:28 | 18th Post |
| Need to get back to Spain to test out my D800 with some high quality glass. I had to come across light as I was picking up other equipment as well. Drobo and DroboShare units to replace my Buffalo Terastations.
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| Posted by richw: Sat May 26th, 2012 21:58 | 19th Post |
jk wrote:Need to get back to Spain to test out my D800 with some high quality glass. Bottom one looks like there is motion blur in the tail to me, but I see what you saying about the hairs at the head.
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| Posted by Graham Whistler: Sun May 27th, 2012 04:41 | 20th Post |
| I agree about end of tail sharpness on bottom one may just be movement or depth of field? My money on top pix for D800. Look forward to hearing how JK gets on with his new D800 hope he will confirm my findings and be very happy with it.
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| Posted by Constable: Sun May 27th, 2012 04:49 | 21st Post |
| You are all correct. The top is the D800e and the bottom the S2. To be fair there was a little more wind in the S2 shot, but the depth of field is microscopically thin. Interesting, n'est ce pas? Ed
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| Posted by Graham Whistler: Sun May 27th, 2012 05:38 | 22nd Post |
| Ed it's a very skilled area you work in. In very controlled studio conditions where I have done most of my ultra close up macro work it is not easy to get enough depth of field even with powerful studio flash and small F No. On my USA trip I lost quite a few cactus flower pix because of poor depth of field with the 105mm Macro VR lens even in bright desert light at f16! With dragon flys it's even harder as they can see you and move!
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| Posted by Constable: Sun May 27th, 2012 07:39 | 23rd Post |
| Thanks Graham. Never thought of it as skilled, more just fun. Ed
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| Posted by jk: Sun May 27th, 2012 09:41 | 24th Post |
Constable wrote:Thanks Graham. Never thought of it as skilled, more just fun. Well done indeed I wondered how you managed to get the D800E and the S2 to take almost the same picture.
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| Posted by Constable: Sun May 27th, 2012 11:01 | 25th Post |
| This is an example of the insane cropping that you can do with the D800E. handheld, 200 mm Macro and ISO 400 (which is almost noise free). Plus my first sensor grolly, I notice! Ed Attachment: D800E.jpg (Downloaded 36 times)
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| Posted by Squarerigger: Sun May 27th, 2012 11:18 | 26th Post |
Ok Ed, your going to have to translate for me. Grolly in my book is a sticky green phlegm. 
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| Posted by jk: Sun May 27th, 2012 11:41 | 27th Post |
| Gary, look at the right hand picture, in the left hand corn,er ther is a small greyish dot. That is a dust mark or grolly!, Maybe Ed was clearing his throat with the lens off the camera!,
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| Posted by Squarerigger: Sun May 27th, 2012 12:03 | 28th Post |
jk wrote:Gary, look at the right hand picture, in the left hand corn,er ther is a small greyish dot. That is a dust mark or grolly!, Thanks Jonathan! I did see the small dot but thought it may have been a lady bug sized asteroid Ed caught in the shot. Grolly, first time I have seen that word used to describe a dust bunny! I like it. Sorry about the grolly Ed. I would have thought the D800 would have vaporized any foreign matter to come into contact with the sensor.
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| Posted by Graham Whistler: Mon May 28th, 2012 03:26 | 29th Post |
| I think the new generation of Nikon cameras come from the factory well cleaned with far less dross on board. I only had to clean my D300 once in the 4 years of use and the D3X lasted 3 years before it needed a very mild clean for 2 small spots. The D800 seems good after 4 weeks in desert and several lens changes. The problem with the early DSLRs was the CCDs held static charge that collected dust but CMOS chips seem much better. I also think most of us have learnt to take much more care when changing lens in clean place etc.
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| Posted by Constable: Mon May 28th, 2012 04:04 | 30th Post |
| All clean now .. Visibledust blower did the job perfectly Ed
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| Posted by jk: Mon May 28th, 2012 04:12 | 31st Post |
| Yes I used to have to clean my D1X every month. I think that the new CMOS imagers are much easier to clean and dont have so much charge.
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