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jk
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The Nikon D780 has been released. https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-d780-review Specifications: 24.5MP BSI CMOS sensor with on-sensor phase detection 7 frame per second shooting (12 fps in 12-bit electronic shutter mode) UHD 4K capture at up to 30p from the full width of the sensor 51-point AF module supported by 180,000 pixel RGB metering sensor 273 point on-sensor PDAF in Live View (sensitive to -4 EV) 3.2", 2.36M-dot touchscreen Shutter range of 900 - 1/8000 sec 10-bit video output over HDMI 2260 shots per charge with viewfinder Dual UHS-II SD card slots Snapbridge Bluetooth and Wi-Fi system (with Raw and video transfer) |
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Graham Whistler
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Why have they done this? Just an upgrade from the old D750 with some good improvments in video but No Image Stab in the body. At this £2199 body only price Sony are way ahead of Nikon for video!! I have tried my D850 for video and that too is no good for seroius filming work, this new D780 will be no better. Eric was with me when I tested it on slow moving birds on the ground the D850 camera would not even hold auto focus AFS-C! |
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jk
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Maybe something for Eric. https://www.dpreview.com/news/2444867438/nikon-af-s-120-300mm-f2-8e-fl-ed-sr-vr-arrives-next-month-for-9500 Oooh suits you sir. Get you closer to those pesky feathered friends! But check the price, thy wallet will need to be very well filled. |
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jk
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And a Z mount 70-200mm f2.8. https://www.dpreview.com/news/1163990370/nikons-70-200-f2-8-for-z-mount-to-ship-in-february I think I will be using my F mount lenses in the FTZ adapter. |
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chrishamer
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jk wrote:And a Z mount 70-200mm f2.8.I'm going to try and get this lens later in the year. I'm still on the 70-200 2.8 VR (the first gen version) and it's starting to show its age now so it'd be a good update. Will have to see if I cave for a Z7 or another Z6 first though. |
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Eric
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jk wrote:Maybe something for Eric.Already got 500mm FP and 300mm FP lenses so don't need this lens to 'get closer'. I've never had birds close enough to use 120mm so its not for me. |
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novicius
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Eric might be more interested in this one then... https://kenniepan.com/sigma-300-800mm-lens-review/ only a mere 7000,- pounds....plus a couple a quid for a tripod.. |
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jk
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novicius wrote:Eric might be more interested in this one then...We used to talk about that lens many moons ago. I thought it would be great but instead ended up with my Nikon 400mm f2.8 AFS. |
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GeoffR
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Apparently there is no grip for the D780 so that takes it off my list. That it isn't any good for video is not a problem, I'm not interested in video. Plus point is no built-in flash but not enough of a bonus to out weigh the lack of a grip. |
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Eric
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novicius wrote:Eric might be more interested in this one then...Then I would have to pay for a porter to carry it.  |
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Eric
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GeoffR wrote:Apparently there is no grip for the D780 so that takes it off my list. That it isn't any good for video is not a problem, I'm not interested in video. Plus point is no built-in flash but not enough of a bonus to out weigh the lack of a grip.Why the extra grip necessity? Ergonomically, the D750 was the best handheld camera I owned...nice deep finger recess. It was a breath of fresh air after the weight of the D3. If they have kept the same body in the D780 and I didn't have the bodies I already have, I might have been tempted. FX, 24mp, Z6 sensor, D5 processor, no silly adapter.  |
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GeoffR
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Eric wrote:Why the extra grip necessity?Simple Eric, for me it is too small otherwise. I really, really don't like having my little finger hanging off the bottom and that is what happens without a grip, sorry but that is the way it is. |
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Eric
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GeoffR wrote:Simple Eric, for me it is too small otherwise. I really, really don't like having my little finger hanging off the bottom and that is what happens without a grip, sorry but that is the way it is.Neither do I (it's my pet hate!) and that didn't happen with the D750....it was quite tall and a deep recess. Felt really stable in my hand....just a little outbalanced with a heavy telephotos. This is why I wonder if they retained the D750 body on the D780? |
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GeoffR
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Eric wrote:Neither do I (it's my pet hate!) and that didn't happen with the D750....it was quite tall and a deep recess. Felt really stable in my hand....just a little outbalanced with a heavy telephotos. This is why I wonder if they retained the D750 body on the D780?Interesting but using Camera Size Comparison the D780 and the D300 are almost exactly the same size. My wife has a D300 and that is too small for comfort as far as I am concerned but is fine with the MB-D10 attached. I see no reason why the D780 would be any different. Also worth considering is that Grays have the D780 at £2199 and the D850 at £2399, if I had £2000 to spend on a camera I would find the extra £200 and get the D850. The D750 is now a real bargain at under £1000 new and, with no interest in video, would suite me better I think, especially as there is the MB-D16 available. |
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jk
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I agree with Geoff that for an extra £200 the D850 looks to be the better purchase. |
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chrisbet
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D780 is a few mm BIGGER than a D750. The D750 is the same as the D610 bar half a mm in width which has plenty of space for my fingers even without the grip. A lot of the extra height of the D850 is above the grip which is much the same on all these cameras. |
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Graham Whistler
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I agree with that I must say when I saw the £2199 price I also thought that £1400 would be nearer the mark, I do not think Nikon will sell many of these. A D850, if new is a great price at £2399. I paid £3500 for mine but no regrets it is one of the best cameras I have ever had! |
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Robert
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jk wrote:I agree with Geoff that for an extra £200 the D850 looks to be the better purchase.That needs to be tempered by considering the Megga large files together with the additional processing and storage costs. My iMac grinds to a standstill with the D800 files, let alone D850 files. I still haven't revived my Mac Pro, which doesn't even blink with these very large files, the iMac is a reasonable spec 14.2 Last year I almost filled a 500Gb SSD with D800 files and I did very little photography after mid May, so at least a terabyte a year of modest photography. To me that seems an infinitely more important consideration than what to do with my pinky. |
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chrishamer
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I think the D780 pricing feels so off due to the discounts and drop in price like on the Z6 and D750 currently. I reckon we'll see the D850 disappear pretty soon replaced by a D880 alongside a Z8/9 That way Nikon can use that Sony 60mpx sensor and bump prices again - I doubt the D780 will stay at that price for long if Nikon's recent discounting is anything to go by? |
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chrishamer
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Robert wrote:That needs to be tempered by considering the Megga large files together with the additional processing and storage costs. My iMac grinds to a standstill with the D800 files, let alone D850 files. I still haven't revived my Mac Pro, which doesn't even blink with these very large files, the iMac is a reasonable spec 14.2 Last year I almost filled a 500Gb SSD with D800 files and I did very little photography after mid May, so at least a terabyte a year of modest photography.This is also a good point, more MPX means everything else in the chain needs upgrading too. I ended up having to update my 2012 Mac Mini with a 2018 version as it just couldn't keep up with the Z6 files (especially video ones) and ended up adding a Drobo with 16TB of storage and another couple of TB of SSD storage just to give myself a chance. Not to mention an external Vega 64 graphics card... It's crazy how much processing power some of these files need. |
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Eric
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GeoffR wrote:Interesting but using Camera Size Comparison the D780 and the D300 are almost exactly the same size. My wife has a D300 and that is too small for comfort as far as I am concerned but is fine with the MB-D10 attached. I see no reason why the D780 would be any different.I agree about the D500...I have the extra grip. I also agree with the pricing comparison comment. That said, the D850 was at £3300 a year ago so a D780 will be a lot cheaper, in comparison and actuality, by end of the year as the D850 has already levelled out.  With the exception of Jonathan, none of us buy new releases anyway. Oh correction ....I did buy one of the first 500mmPF lens in the country. (Graham probably got the first, direct from Nikon!! ) I've now surprised myself looking at the heights of the D500/D780/D850 and the D750. The D750 is even shorter (2mm) than both the D500 and D780! It could have only been the deepness of finger recess (which was much deeper than regular cameras) that made the difference because I was able to hand hold the D750 all day (never even had it on a neck strap) with no 4th finger issues. When the D850 came out I was so pleased because it too has a deeper than normal finger recess (perhaps not as deep as the D750) and it felt so good in the hand. That said, it is 10mm taller than the rest and that's probably all that's needed to give the grip for the 4thfinger. Ergonomics are fascinating aren't they? Though it disquietens me somewhat the way manufacturers change dimensions and shapes when hands haven't changed? Unless photographers as a generality are getting smaller hands? |
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Eric
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chrishamer wrote:This is also a good point, more MPX means everything else in the chain needs upgrading too.Don't quite understand the power issue that Robert and yourself experience? I am working with D850 raw files on an IPad Pro. I don't upload all my files direct to the iPad but load them (very quickly) from a QXD card onto a WiFi external drive. From there I can browse the uploaded files, deleting as I go, and only bring the files I want to work on, onto the iPad. Certainly if I tried to upload all the files to the iPad it will falter, and I have yet to attempt some of the stacked files that Robert can generate or do any length videoing with the D850. So maybe I am running just ahead of a 'power shortfall tsunami'. |
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Eric
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Robert wrote: To me that seems an infinitely more important consideration than what to do with my pinky. I rarely use camera straps which I find get in the way, preferring a holster bag from which I can more easily draw the camera (I even have a holster that accommodates the d500+1.4tc+500mm...with lens hood ready in place!!!). This means that when not in the holster, when not photographing, I often still carry it in the hand, not round the neck or shoulder. That's when pinky power is necessary.  |
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chrishamer
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Eric wrote:Don't quite understand the power issue that Robert and yourself experience? I am working with D850 raw files on an IPad Pro. I don't upload all my files direct to the iPad but load them (very quickly) from a QXD card onto a WiFi external drive. From there I can browse the uploaded files, deleting as I go, and only bring the files I want to work on, onto the iPad. Certainly if I tried to upload all the files to the iPad it will falter, and I have yet to attempt some of the stacked files that Robert can generate or do any length videoing with the D850. So maybe I am running just ahead of a 'power shortfall tsunami'.I wouldn't underestimate the sheer power that your iPad Pro has. If it's the original iPad Pro you're still talking about a 6 core processor running at around 2.2Ghz (yes there are 3 performance and 3 economy cores but that's still a fair bit of grunt) and way more than my old Mac Mini! Granted though most of my complaints were when editing 4K video... at that point my old Mac really showed it couldn't handle it. |
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