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jk
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There seems to be new rumours of the D600. This is FX and may be very cheap at $1500 approximately. |
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Robert
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Errr, JK that link is D800... Have just searched and can't find anything more recent than about 23 June and nothing concrete. |
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jk
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Whoops not so easy when doing this on iPad and watching Olympics. Here we go. Pictures http://nikonrumors.com/2012/06/14/first-leaked-nikon-d600-images.aspx/ Specs. http://nikonrumors.com/2012/05/23/newupdated-nikon-d600-specifications.aspx/ |
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Robert
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I am so Confucius!  |
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Ray Ninness
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Robert wrote: I am so Confucius!Obsoleted, and I haven't even made a purchase yet??? :-O |
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Squarerigger
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Ray Ninness wrote:Robert wrote:I am so Confucius!Obsoleted, and I haven't even made a purchase yet??? :-O This just goes to prove that the Nikon world is in total disarray. We really have no way of knowing what is coming out next since you have been dormant in the purchasing field for some time now Ray. Nikon can't make a move until you act on a purchase.  |
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Eric
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Squarerigger wrote:Ray Ninness wrote: I was only thinking this a couple of days ago. I nearly sent a PM to Ray asking him to stop all this short wave radio stuff and buy a current camera....secure in the knowledge that Nikon would then spring into action with the D400/600 etc.launch.  |
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Brad Neal
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Well, I just picked up a new D4, so I'm sure there's a D4X, or s, right around the corner. |
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jk
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Poor Ray. At least the latest gear for SWB is only getting smaller except for the antennae! But I'm sure if he went out and got a D800 that would allow Nikon to release the D600 and D400 info.  |
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jk
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D600 coming soon! http://nikonrumors.com/2012/08/23/nikon-d600-is-coming-soon-no-news-on-the-d300s-and-d7000-replacements.aspx/ So still no D400 as yet. I guess Nikon have upsized to FX. I think that the D600 will be the one for those who are on the edge between going FX or DX. The camera body will be very affordable. |
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Iain
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I think that the D400 will be still born as it looks like Nikon is trying to push FX for pro use and DX for it lower level cameras. It would appear that they are not the only ones if the rumours are right as they are suggesting that Canon is doing the same thing. |
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ArcticRick
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I quit counting on anything from nikon . Bitterness has taken root |
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jk
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ArcticRick wrote: I quit counting on anything from nikon . Bitterness has taken root I'd give up on the DX option and go FX with a D600 if you want a new camera. (As soon as you get it the D400 and the D7000 replacements will be released.) Best get Ray to get one if you really want a DX camera. |
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Graham Whistler
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I think DX cameras still hold quite a few advantages over FX. I miss my D300 and 18-200mm lens when I need one lighter camera and lens when I am shooting video. With FX you do need to carry a lot more kit to get the same lens range and for 90% of the photography most of us do (and I also mean pro photographers) D300 and 18-200mm lens does a very good job!!! |
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TomOC
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I agree, Graham. DX is the way to go for everything but wide angle shooting. With DX, you get the middle of the lens (fx ones) and that gets away from any imperfections it might have. You save a LOT taking advantage of the 1.5x magnification. No question that FX is best for wide angle. Reality... Probably need both, but not the latest of either Tom |
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jk
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The advantage of Fx is definitely there with wideangle and landscapes plus in high ISO the interpixel spacing seems to give better/lower noise results. However when you see the results from the D800 at 6400ISO then you start to wonder what the results would be like from a more reasonable 24MP D400 on a DX format. I think they would be just as good. My Fuji XPro1 (18MP, DX) at 3200ISO produces great results. |
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blackfox
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i get decent results from my d7000 right up to iso3200 as well ,there is noise present in some RAW files at this iso but they always respond well to decent noise software .lets not forget a couple of years ago you could but dream of getting something out at these sort of exposures . and having trod the canon path for a few years i know full well that nikon beats them hands down in high iso shooting conditions  |
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Ray Ninness
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Enough bashing me, I doubt a D800 is in the cards for the foreseeable future for me!! My D700's are doing all I ask of them, even if it is far and few between askings??? I did make a run to the Boston Zoo, prompted my a former colleague from my days shooting racing images. One of his regular haunts is the Los Angele's Zoo, and he has been getting some great images there. Unfortunately for me, the Boston Franklin Zoo, is nothing to bother with, more them a lot of bar's fences and wire mesh screens to discourage even snap shot photography.. The Zoo trip was perhaps my first Photo trip is well over a year or so, and I have little to show for the trip.. The attached image was shot through a 4" square Wire Fence and a heave gauge, wire chain-link fence hung a few feet behind it.. 400mm wide open (f4) does wonders but it's still more of a compromise then I was will to waste my time doing!!!  Attachment: Nice Pussy cat-212_9199.JPG (Downloaded 92 times) |
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Robert
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I wish even some of my images were as good as that Ray! If that's a poor compromise the roll out the good ones!  Lovely image. |
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jk
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Poor guy/gal. Has a fly buzzing around its ear! Great shot. |
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Ray Ninness
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Robert wrote: I wish even some of my images were as good as that Ray!Well the lone Lion was sleeping in the shade, oblivious to all hollering for his attention. There was the guy in my photo and a White Tiger in that exhibit. The Lion exhibit was the only one sans Bars and Wire Mesh.. Only my experience shooting motorsports through fencing allowed me to capture that big Tiger. Shortly after that shot he wandered into the shade at the back of that exhibit to join the White Tiger relaxing out of the hot sun.. Definitely not the Zoo experience I was looking for!! :negativenod: |
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Ed Hutchinson
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We are planning a trip to the woodland park zoo in Seattle soon, I only hope I can get something anywhere near that good . very nice Ray!!!!   Ed |
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Ray Ninness
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Ed Hutchinson wrote: We are planning a trip to the woodland park zoo in Seattle soon, I only hope I can get something anywhere near that good .Long glass helps, I was towing a wagon at the zoo full of gear, but for all intents a purposes, I could have just carried the VR200-400 on a mono-pod and hung another body with the VR70-200 and lowered my load considerably??? Lessons learned |
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KenRay
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You would like the Arizona/Sonora Desert Museum in Tucson. Truly a unique 'zoo'. It only deals with plants and animals found in the Arizona/Sonara Desert. The enclosures are all designed for fencless photography although they have had to put plexiglass in front of prearie dog enclosur to stop people feeding them. They have one large enclosure with Javelina and Coyote that for all practical purposes have no fence. It has a cable barrier to keep you on the trail and several feet behind that it has a fence kile chicken wire except it is hand made from stainless steel the size of piano wire. You have to look VERY hard to even see it. They have a very large walkin aviary of all kinds of birds. They also have a walkin aviary of only Hummingbirds. Many varieties and many nesting. You can get some fantastic opportunities at almost any part of the 'museum'. I have been a member over 30 years, one of my favorite places. The Reid Park Zoo in Tucson is also one of the best small zoo's I have ever seen and I've been to San Diego,Columbus,St.Louis,Portland and many other large zoos for comparison. The Tucson zoo does not compete with the ASDM as it has only animals NOT found in the A/S Desert. The Nasville,Tn zoo also gets a thumbs up as one of the most Photographer and best displayed small zoos I've seen. You might gather ,I like zoo's. |
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Ray Ninness
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I found the Detroit Zoo pretty photography friendly for the most part, I guess I'll have to continue searching the New England area for better opportunities??? |
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Iain
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Nice shot Ray, you should be happy with that one, which is more than the fly will be if the Tiger gets fed up with it. |
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amazing50
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All this "zoo chat" has motivated me to plan a fall trip to the Toronto Zoo. It's about 200k away but a lot of the animals are in large enclosures with moats rather than chain link. This makes for better shots. I'll probably use my D5100 and Tameron 18-270 and a Sigma 8-16 with a mono pod for shooting. |
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Ray Ninness
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amazing50 wrote: All this "zoo chat" has motivated me to plan a fall trip to the Toronto Zoo. It's about 200k away but a lot of the animals are in large enclosures with moats rather than chain link. This makes for better shots. I'll probably use my D5100 and Tameron 18-270 and a Sigma 8-16 with a mono pod for shooting.I have always found the the longer the better when it comes to lenses and Zoo shooting, Moats are nice, but they also place the subject a bit further away from the shooter.. Better then teeth marks of course .. Happy shooting :thumbsup: |
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Doug
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I heard a whisper that we might know a lot more about the D600 in little more than a week. |
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jk
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Doug wrote:I heard a whisper that we might know a lot more about the D600 in little more than a week. Shhhhhh........ First news will be released in NZ! |
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ArcticRick
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Ray if you want to ditch more gear drop me a line ..nice image by the way |
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blackfox
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just peeked at nikon rumors and there giving the launch of SOMETHING !!! within the next few hours ,the i-phone 5 is also now fact , |
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Squarerigger
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blackfox wrote:just peeked at nikon rumors and there giving the launch of SOMETHING !!! within the next few hours ,the i-phone 5 is also now fact , I know you use a D7000 as I do and the picture of the D600 looks like a D7000 with a FX sensor. Would you make the switch if it was around $2000? |
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ArcticRick
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For 2 grand no I would grab the used D700 with 11k on it for $1700 |
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Robert
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Depends how many pixels and what the noise is like, I agree with Rick. I don't want 24K pixels, at any price if they are gritty noisy like the D7000. Edit: Better put my hardhat on...  |
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blackfox
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Robert wrote:Depends how many pixels and what the noise is like, I agree with Rick. think i just heard a dinosaur roaring  |
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jk
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The D600 will be announce late tonight/early tomorrow. The D600 is the cheap 24MP FX camera, effectively this makes the D700 day before yesterdays camera. :-( |
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Robert
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Rubbish! The D700 as the D3 are both capable of taking stunning images. Hardhat again? |
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Robert
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blackfox wrote:Robert wrote: We aren't all extinct yet, dinosaurs that is! |
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Squarerigger
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Robert wrote:Depends how many pixels and what the noise is like, I agree with Rick. My D7000 takes offense at being called gritty noisy Robert. |
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Robert
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I thought it might! That's why I put my on.If it's any comfort my D5100 is gritty noisy too.  |
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ArcticRick
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Rumor has it ¥215,000. Or $2700 ish ? I got that guy down to 1500 for the D700 |
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Squarerigger
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Robert wrote:I thought it might! Well, I guess it's ok as long as we both own a gritty noisy.  |
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ArcticRick
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D600 officially $2099 MSRP . I'm super agrivated . Also found out I will be rocking the D200 for another 6 months thanks to the incredible breaking Jeep . FML |
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Peter_LO
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The price isn't too bad to me but the camera is still a bit too big to me. |
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Robert
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Just had eMail from Calumet... http://www.calumetphoto.co.uk/eng/pages/NikonD600.cfm?t=CM02&a=CM02&cal No price though... Pity about the SD card slots but I guess it helps them keep the price/size down? Nikon UK D600 Link... http://www.europe-nikon.com/en_GB/product/digital-cameras/slr/consumer/d600 The big one for me would be it IS NOT AFS ONLY, it is compatible with non CPU and AI lenses. That is a BIG plus. |
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jk
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Here is the D600 brochure. http://chsvimg.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d600/pdf/d600_20p.pdf |
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Iain
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WEX have it priced at £1955 body only. |
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Bob Bowen
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Just what I wanted in what is becoming full retirement now with just the odd job here and there. Think I'll go for it and a couple of the f4 zooms. Clear out the cupboard time and trade the f2.8 glass as well so could be almost self financing. |
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Robert
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Iain wrote:WEX have it priced at £1955 body only. That sounds about right, if it's about $2,000 then £2,000, never mind the conversion rate states $2,000 = about £1350. They must think we are stupid, perhaps they are right?  |
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Ed Hutchinson
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B&H photo just advertised a d600 to arrive and ship on sept 19th. body only $2099.95 and with a 24-85 vr lens at 2699.95 way too steep for me But one can dream:negativenod:  Ed |
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blackfox
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hmmm just been through the catalogue /brochure cheers j/k and to all appearances it looks like a slightly upgraded d7000 ,higher mp ,full frame but same size ? ,39 point af no change there .in fact the viewfinder for a full frame has dropped from the lovely round one to a standard rectangle .there will be a few points that make it slightly different but i feel a bit let down by this certainly not a wildlife camera at 5.5 frames per sec . i am leaning more and more towards getting a sony there body range is really moving on (while using the same sensors as nikon) and most have built in i.s to .plus mega fast a.f and frame rates the only thing holding me back is there lens selection .i will make my choices in the coming months |
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Dave Groen
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Now available for pre-order. Expected availability: September 19 (per B&H) $2100 body-only. http://bhpho.to/Oitm4l $2700 with 24-85 f/3.5-4.5 VR Lens http://bhpho.to/OitSzo Edit- Oops, just noticed that Ed just posted the same basic info, but my post has links so I contributed in some small way to the discussion. |
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jk
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blackfox wrote: hmmm just been through the catalogue /brochure cheers j/k and to all appearances it looks like a slightly upgraded d7000 ,higher mp ,full frame but same size ? ,39 point af no change there .in fact the viewfinder for a full frame has dropped from the lovely round one to a standard rectangle .there will be a few points that make it slightly different but i feel a bit let down by this certainly not a wildlife camera at 5.5 frames per sec .But AF to f8 (not f5.6 like on D7000) and faster/very good AF at that. Sony dont have the lens ranges that Nikon have. No way would I do that move. If I moved from Nikon then it would be to Canon. |
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blackfox
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thought it over checked out prices and i'll stick with nikon ,its just that sony seem to be the only company at present offering fast burst rates ,i don't do to bad with what i got though ,so till the magic fairy dumps some money in my wallet its keep dreaming |
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Doug
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Robert wrote:
Most of us really don't need the performance of CF (SD performance is fantastic these days), twin CF slots would never happen in a camera of this size, SD cards are Much cheaper and most modern devices require additional hardware to work with CF I'm very happy about the twin SD slots (in fact I consider this a plus compared to the 1 each CF/SD of the D800 etc.) Nevertheless, due to features like the limited bracketing range I will probably skip it (I might even grab a D300S if I can get a good deal) |
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Graham Whistler
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I still think they should have gone for a D400 DX Camera,why this? There is still a lot of advantages of using the more compact DX lenses with larger focal length range. |
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Robert
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Graham Whistler wrote:I still think they should have gone for a D400 DX Camera,why this? There is still a lot of advantages of using the more compact DX lenses with larger focal length range. It's an entry level FX body, that's why Graham. Perhaps the D3/D700 combo were to close for comfort. Is this INSTEAD of a D400? Surely there will be a D400 too? |
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Ray Ninness
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I'll continue to rely on my D700's. they seem to do anything I need done, these days??? |
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richw
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blackfox wrote:thought it over checked out prices and i'll stick with nikon ,its just that sony seem to be the only company at present offering fast burst rates ,i don't do to bad with what i got though ,so till the magic fairy dumps some money in my wallet its keep dreaming Do you need a high burst rate for wildlife? I thought that was the preserve of sports/journalist? A mate of mine has a Sony, the focus is horrible compared to any of my Nikons. |
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blackfox
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richw wrote:blackfox wrote: it helps in certain circumstances rich ,i can only talk from experience with the lower priced canon and nikon bodies but the two things you need are are fast focus and fast high burst rates ,nothing worse than getting a good bird shot to find your buffer is full ,or sat in a hide hearing the canons going off like machine guns around you i suppose its phycological really .as i said i don't do bad at all with what i have .so i'll stick for now |
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Robert
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I did notice when I was photographing the Little Terns with Jeff during the summer that they move so fast it's impossible to capture a particular pose, for want of the correct term. Going through the images later I found many sharp and otherwise 'OK' images were spoiled by pose, wing positions and heads pointing the wrong way etc. That all changes in a second, so one image may be rubbish, the next a winner. It would be very difficult to time these events by eye, they happen so fast and at some distance, often while panning. Getting the bird in frame is a challenge, let alone choosing a pose! That said, I don't think the difference between 5 frames a second and 11 frames a second would up the keeper rate much because a burst of images either 'has it' or not. One extra image between two would not make that much difference most of the time. On a practical note the difference in cost between a 5 fps body and an 11 fps body is considerable for only one extra frame between two. Better use movie mode and extract a frame! That would give you 30 fps and silent. The Canons would think you gone to sleep! |
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blackfox
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yep you summed it up better than me rob ,mind you the d7000 is no slouch either ,i still got pics to look at from the 2000+ i took of the red kites at gigrin farm in a couple of hour session . |
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jk
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I think that like Robert says unless you use movie mode that you are shooting and hoping rather than trying to capture the peak moment. I know that they move so fast that you cant double guess them but that is the fun of nature photography!! |
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Iain
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jk wrote:
In some ways I would disagree with that. If you study the bird/animal there is in most, a habit or repetative behaviour. Although I can take 8fps I tend to only use 3/4 frames at a time and have good success. |
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KenRay
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I have been shooting wildlife (mostly birds I admit) for well over 50 years and have gotten some terrific shots. These were almost all with film cameras from Nikon/Canon/Leica rangefinders to Hassleblad/Bronica/Mamiya/Pentax 120film. None were any faster than you could advance the film. How in heavens name could we have POSSIBLY made any good pictures with such obsolete cameras. Who makes the photograph today the photographer or the camera.When I would put one of my D2h's on full speed I would have absolutely no idea what i would get. And they were fairly fast cameras. |
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blackfox
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ah the good old days ,had a few of them myself ,the old mamiya twin interchangeable lens model was my favourite ,i also remember in the distant past acquiring a rollieflex TLR in a swop for a model airplane someone had given me for free ,took a few shots with the camera and the lens tended to give everything a pink tinge ,took it to a dealers and nearly fell through the floor when he offered me a grand for it .seems the lens was a really rare one ???? i took the money and had a good holiday with and took my brand new slr with me one that had a built in exposure meter ,new technology in them there days all purchased from the grand profit ,heady days of yore |
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jk
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Iain wrote:jk wrote: I'd agree with that but their actual movement is so fast for some animals that you would need 60fps to even get close to capturing the movement e.g. hummingbirds and bats. We have swallows that fly over a certain area catching insects and I can follow them easily with my eye until I try to photograph them when it become almost impossible. |
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Iain
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jk wrote: We have swallows that fly over a certain area catching insects and I can follow them easily with my eye until I try to photograph them when it become almost impossible. It just take practice Jonathan years and years of practice. Attachment: Swallow05.jpg (Downloaded 58 times) |
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Robert
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You need to practice some more Iain, the bottom one is upside down? Great capture, well done! |
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Iain
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Robert wrote:You need to practice some more Iain, the bottom one is upside down? L have you know it takes a lot of hard work to capture one of them flying upside down. |
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jk
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Nice shot Iain. The ones we have are always above me at a fairly steep angle. However the other day a couple kept flying inside the open verandah area but by the time I had the camera set up so I could get some nice images they stopped performing. |
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jk
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For those in the market for a new camera this is a useful comparison. http://nikonrumors.com/2012/09/16/nikon-d600-vs-d800-specifications-comparison.aspx/#more-45190 |
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Iain
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Still no new DX model, I'm beginning to wonder if we will ever see a pro type body DX camera again. |
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blackfox
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just been having a re-run through the spec on this D600,and its starting to appeal a bit more ,now the question ,are my lenses o.k for it i have a 300mm f4 afs (if) lens and a 18-200vr plus a 1.4 tc and a 1.7 tc kenco and nikon respectively ,would these work with the d600 or not |
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jk
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Jeff, The 18-200 is a DX only lens so it is not good news. Good news is that it is in fairly high demand so sells well on eBay so it is possible to get money to put towards a lens that suits you. I use a 24-70 f2.8 AFS and a 70-200 f2.8 AFS VR for that range on my FX cameras. |
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blackfox
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cheers for that ,looks like i'll have to stick where i am then .can't afford camera and lenses |
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jk
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There will be a D7100 soon |
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richw
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blackfox wrote:just been having a re-run through the spec on this D600,and its starting to appeal a bit more ,now the question ,are my lenses o.k for it i have a 300mm f4 afs (if) lens and a 18-200vr plus a 1.4 tc and a 1.7 tc kenco and nikon respectively ,would these work with the d600 or not It'll work in crop mode which might get you by until you could afford a new lens. With 24Mp cropping is more viable. Of course not only the D7100, but also maybe the mythical D400 could be around the corner if you wish to stay DX. |
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blackfox
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on a fixed pension rich the chance of saving up is nil .unfortunately we still have to live as well ,was gonna fund a new camera body by putting the wife on a diet  |
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jk
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Geoff. You could go for the one day of no food option. Very healthy way to live and it helps reduce food bill and increases camera fund. http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20120815-dont-eat-one-day-a-week To aid your cause Nikon have reduced price of D600. http://nikonrumors.com/2012/09/20/nikon-d600-price-drop-in-the-uk-germany.aspx/ |
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blackfox
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yep i know super u.k price to ,pity about the lenses ,i could do without the 18-200 but i use the 300mm-f4 afs all the time virtually never comes off camera thats the one i wanted it to work with .grrrrrrr  |
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Squarerigger
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blackfox wrote:on a fixed pension rich the chance of saving up is nil .unfortunately we still have to live as well ,was gonna fund a new camera body by putting the wife on a diet There should be a senior citizen and pensioners discount from Nikon -say 80 percent. |
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jk
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I've been reading the D600 manual as I had some interest in its features compared to the D800. It would seem that the camera is a very nice transitional camera if you are moving up from DX to FX as there is a very nice DX mask in the viewfinder and they allow easy switching into DX mode and automatically when a DX lens is attached. This has been present on other FX cameras before but maybe not so well explained and maybe not so prominently as in the D600 manual. Just a thought for those such as Rick in Alaska who is looking for a new camera. |
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