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Posted by Squarerigger: Wed Jan 9th, 2013 06:07 1st Post
So, best I can remember, Jonathan, Tom, Eric, and Rich have the x100. Now that the specs have been released on the x100s, are any of you going to go for the new camera?

Thoughts on the new features?



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Posted by jk: Wed Jan 9th, 2013 07:21 2nd Post
You are correct Gary.

For me the answer is probably a No.

I will be going on an expedition in March for most of the month.
I will be taking my XPro1, and possibly an XE1, with 18-55 zoom and a Kipon adapter with my Nikon 75-300.
This will give me a light but very high image quality system. This will be my first trial of the Fuji stuff for serious photography.
If anything happens to the XPro1 then I will replace with a new XPro2 when that is released in the early part of 2014. In the intermediate I would buy another XE1 or if I already have an XE1 I would stick with that until 2014.



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Posted by Eric: Wed Jan 9th, 2013 14:55 3rd Post
Squarerigger wrote:
So, best I can remember, Jonathan, Tom, Eric, and Rich have the x100. Now that the specs have been released on the x100s, are any of you going to go for the new camera?

Thoughts on the new features?
No. In fact I will be selling my X100... if the EX1 lives up to its promise.

I am sure the X100S will have the wrinkles that spoilt the X100 ironed out.
For me they were, battery use, exp comp dial ease of movement, slow wake up, focus/shutter lag, fiddly multi function rocker switch.

It strikes me that the key decision points the fixed lens. It makes it more pocketable than the XPro or Ex1 especially with the zoom lens!

But I am not sure Rich hasn't got the pocketability right with the RX100? :thumbsup:



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Posted by Squarerigger: Wed Jan 9th, 2013 15:16 4th Post
Eric wrote:
Squarerigger wrote:
So, best I can remember, Jonathan, Tom, Eric, and Rich have the x100. Now that the specs have been released on the x100s, are any of you going to go for the new camera?

Thoughts on the new features?
No. In fact I will be selling my X100... if the EX1 lives up to its promise.

I am sure the X100S will have the wrinkles that spoilt the X100 ironed out.
For me they were, battery use, exp comp dial ease of movement, slow wake up, focus/shutter lag, fiddly multi function rocker switch.

It strikes me that the key decision points the fixed lens. It makes it more pocketable than the XPro or Ex1 especially with the zoom lens!

But I am not sure Rich hasn't got the pocketability right with the RX100? :thumbsup:

Have you got it on order Eric? Did you get a Fuji lens or just the Nikon adapter, or both?

Look forward to your review.



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Posted by Eric: Wed Jan 9th, 2013 18:11 5th Post
Squarerigger wrote:
Eric wrote:
Squarerigger wrote:
So, best I can remember, Jonathan, Tom, Eric, and Rich have the x100. Now that the specs have been released on the x100s, are any of you going to go for the new camera?

Thoughts on the new features?
No. In fact I will be selling my X100... if the EX1 lives up to its promise.

I am sure the X100S will have the wrinkles that spoilt the X100 ironed out.
For me they were, battery use, exp comp dial ease of movement, slow wake up, focus/shutter lag, fiddly multi function rocker switch.

It strikes me that the key decision points the fixed lens. It makes it more pocketable than the XPro or Ex1 especially with the zoom lens!

But I am not sure Rich hasn't got the pocketability right with the RX100? :thumbsup:

Have you got it on order Eric? Did you get a Fuji lens or just the Nikon adapter, or both?

Look forward to your review.
No...I have 'got it' in my hand.
:rofl:

Just got the 18-55 zoom with it ....at the moment.

It's a significant improvement over the X100 in terms of start up and the focus/shutter lag. They have also guarded the ex comp button that so easily got knocked on the X100. Have yet to check battery life. There is a stonking good quick access key that gets you to key parameters (eg ISO) on one button. Seriously good improvement. The rear rocker switch is much much better.


I am not a great fan of the EVF...it is clearer and more detailed than the one on the X100... but not massively better. I still feel an OVF wins the day. One of the side effects of the EVF is that because younare reading off the sensor there is a hesitation/ jump effect when zooming. You see the sensor refresh.

The other slight negative (on this version) is the stiffness of the zoom. Speaking with JK his zoom is apparently ok. Mine has a nice smooth action...it's just a tad stiff. What I have discovered is, it's really due to the lack of 'counterbalance' from a lighter body. Not sure it's the right terminology but ...the inertia of the zoom lens would be fine on a more solid in the hand DSLR body...with the EX you have to grip the body more and use more effort to resist the rotation. If that makes sense?
Of course not a problem with their primes.

I have been out with it today but only for a few minutes (bl**dy customers wanted some work doing just as the sun came out....inconsiderate swines!) Haven't looked at the results yet. Will post some detail later this week.

At this stage I feel it's ergonomically a major step forward. But I suspect the X100S will share some of these improvements.

Too early to say whether it will totally woo me away from a DSLR for walkaround. There is no doubt having this combo round the neck is much better. But the handling of the body is always going to a bit alien for someone weaned on the DSLR ...which has after all been honed to its ergonomic ideal shape over many years.

Personally I don't see this as the way forward for long tele use. My take on that is...for large magnification you need stability. If you haven't got VR you need a tripod or monopod. If you are carrying long, heavy lenses and a tripod...you might as well carry a DSLR as well. The extra weight over the mirrorless system isn't that relevant when doing specialised shooting.

The only counter to this might be the Nikon V1 with its 2.7x magnification. This economic tele boast might justify its use over even the dX bodies.

Which leads me back to a question I would dearly like answering....

How good is a D800 crop?

Would a D800 cropped to a DX sensor size be better? My guess is yes!
But ...would a D800 cropped to the V1 (2.7x) sensor size be as good?

The D800 needs good technique and stability to max its IQ. But under conditions of tele work (ie solid support ) it would get that.

I could easily see a Fuji Ex and D800 combination covering all my needs.


But first I need to look a the pictures I took today!!



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Posted by Squarerigger: Wed Jan 9th, 2013 18:35 6th Post
Eric wrote:
Squarerigger wrote:
Eric wrote:
Squarerigger wrote:
So, best I can remember, Jonathan, Tom, Eric, and Rich have the x100. Now that the specs have been released on the x100s, are any of you going to go for the new camera?

Thoughts on the new features?
No. In fact I will be selling my X100... if the EX1 lives up to its promise.

I am sure the X100S will have the wrinkles that spoilt the X100 ironed out.
For me they were, battery use, exp comp dial ease of movement, slow wake up, focus/shutter lag, fiddly multi function rocker switch.

It strikes me that the key decision points the fixed lens. It makes it more pocketable than the XPro or Ex1 especially with the zoom lens!

But I am not sure Rich hasn't got the pocketability right with the RX100? :thumbsup:

Have you got it on order Eric? Did you get a Fuji lens or just the Nikon adapter, or both?

Look forward to your review.
No...I have 'got it' in my hand.
:rofl:

Just got the 18-55 zoom with it ....at the moment.

It's a significant improvement over the X100 in terms of start up and the focus/shutter lag. They have also guarded the ex comp button that so easily got knocked on the X100. Have yet to check battery life. There is a stonking good quick access key that gets you to key parameters (eg ISO) on one button. Seriously good improvement. The rear rocker switch is much much better.


I am not a great fan of the EVF...it is clearer and more detailed than the one on the X100... but not massively better. I still feel an OVF wins the day. One of the side effects of the EVF is that because younare reading off the sensor there is a hesitation/ jump effect when zooming. You see the sensor refresh.

The other slight negative (on this version) is the stiffness of the zoom. Speaking with JK his zoom is apparently ok. Mine has a nice smooth action...it's just a tad stiff. What I have discovered is, it's really due to the lack of 'counterbalance' from a lighter body. Not sure it's the right terminology but ...the inertia of the zoom lens would be fine on a more solid in the hand DSLR body...with the EX you have to grip the body more and use more effort to resist the rotation. If that makes sense?
Of course not a problem with their primes.

I have been out with it today but only for a few minutes (bl**dy customers wanted some work doing just as the sun came out....inconsiderate swines!) Haven't looked at the results yet. Will post some detail later this week.

At this stage I feel it's ergonomically a major step forward. But I suspect the X100S will share some of these improvements.

Too early to say whether it will totally woo me away from a DSLR for walkaround. There is no doubt having this combo round the neck is much better. But the handling of the body is always going to a bit alien for someone weaned on the DSLR ...which has after all been honed to its ergonomic ideal shape over many years.

Personally I don't see this as the way forward for long tele use. My take on that is...for large magnification you need stability. If you haven't got VR you need a tripod or monopod. If you are carrying long, heavy lenses and a tripod...you might as well carry a DSLR as well. The extra weight over the mirrorless system isn't that relevant when doing specialised shooting.

The only counter to this might be the Nikon V1 with its 2.7x magnification. This economic tele boast might justify its use over even the dX bodies.

Which leads me back to a question I would dearly like answering....

How good is a D800 crop?

Would a D800 cropped to a DX sensor size be better? My guess is yes!
But ...would a D800 cropped to the V1 (2.7x) sensor size be as good?

The D800 needs good technique and stability to max its IQ. But under conditions of tele work (ie solid support ) it would get that.

I could easily see a Fuji Ex and D800 combination covering all my needs.


But first I need to look a the pictures I took today!!

Holy crap it's good to see someone so enthusiastic about a new piece of kit.

I will not speculate on what the future holds but I await your reviews of the photos.

Have fun and let us know how this all falls out and how it impacts your wallet.
:rofl::rofl::rofl:



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Posted by richw: Thu Jan 10th, 2013 04:37 7th Post
RX100 will do me for a while, a lot of none photographic demands for my funds at the moment!


Posted by Eric: Thu Jan 10th, 2013 05:09 8th Post
Squarerigger wrote


I will not speculate on what the future holds but I await your reviews of the photos.

Have fun and let us know how this all falls out and how it impacts your wallet.
 I wont get chance to look at them today - just got a rush job to do. :needsahug:




My poor old wallet is panting, short of breath with exessive exercise right now, and its shrivelled back down to nothing.........like the male appendage in cold water!

:rofl::rofl:


With a camcorder for the wife and an EX for me I am going to have to work hard to convince it there will be some sales cash to bulk it back out again.

But I have a plan!!!!  :thumbsup:











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Posted by Squarerigger: Thu Jan 10th, 2013 06:28 9th Post
A plan you say, humm.......I see a used, in good condition D7000, D3(?), x100, and maybe the family pet suddenly for sale.

Then, for the sake of stimulating the economy, a purchase of a D800.

Close?



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Posted by Eric: Thu Jan 10th, 2013 06:36 10th Post
Squarerigger wrote: A plan you say, humm.......I see a used, in good condition D7000, D3(?), x100, and maybe the family pet suddenly for sale.

Then, for the sake of stimulating the economy, a purchase of a D800.

Close? You are psychic! :applause:

Except for the pet. In fact, the wife just waved in front of me, a picture of an unwanted dog ...with big doey eyes (both her and the dog!) :doh:



















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Posted by Squarerigger: Thu Jan 10th, 2013 06:52 11th Post
Eric wrote:
Squarerigger wrote: A plan you say, humm.......I see a used, in good condition D7000, D3(?), x100, and maybe the family pet suddenly for sale.

Then, for the sake of stimulating the economy, a purchase of a D800.

Close? You are psychic! :applause:

Except for the pet. In fact, the wife just waved in front of me, a picture of an unwanted dog ...with big doey eyes (both her and the dog!) :doh:





Well, a quick trip to the vet, some extra pet food, and you have a nice subject for the new cameras.

I just executed a very similar plan myself. Now my wallet has wrapped itself around my nightstand and refuses to travel with me anymore.

I have to say, it was a brilliant stroke of genius purchasing your wife a movie machine first. A tactic we should all take note of for future use.



















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Posted by Eric: Thu Jan 10th, 2013 18:01 12th Post
The x100s has only 90% coverage in the viewfinder...does that concern anyone?



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Posted by Squarerigger: Thu Jan 10th, 2013 18:23 13th Post
Eric wrote:
The x100s has only 90% coverage in the viewfinder...does that concern anyone?

Interesting, I took a look at the spec sheet in B&H photo and they list it as 85/100. The 100% is for the LCD and they don't go into a number for the view finder so I would think it was the 85% which is worse than the 90%. Seems odd when both the xe and xpro have 100?

Seems like a lot of lost viewing area to me.

Would this be a show stopper for you?



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Posted by TomOC: Thu Jan 10th, 2013 23:43 14th Post
Here's a good article on the x100s

http://www.petapixel.com/2013/01/08/hands-on-with-the-fujifilm-x100s-and-x20-pricing-and-availability-revealed/



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Posted by jk: Fri Jan 11th, 2013 02:20 15th Post
Good CES write up on the Fuji stuff here.
http://www.realphotographersforum.com/general-discussion/9042-fuji-hands-ces-2013-a.html



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Posted by Squarerigger: Fri Jan 11th, 2013 07:32 16th Post
I finally found the x100s spec sheet from Fuji and they use the 90% figure for coverage from the view finder. Not sure where B&H got 85%.



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Posted by Robert: Fri Jan 11th, 2013 08:16 17th Post
B&H want their 5%. :devil:



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