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Posted by Robert: Thu Apr 11th, 2013 04:15 1st Post
Came across this site:

http://www.neilawhite.com

The Lost Villages section is what I am referring to.

This is of course a tiny part of the whole picture which saw the North Sea created from Doggerland and has been going on for millions of years.

Does anybody here have a a similar situation which might be recorded for the future?

Not too impressed by Mr White's images. Composition isn't his strong point. At least he has done something to record the erosion. There must be paintings, maps and drawings which record the early landscape.



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Posted by jk: Thu Apr 11th, 2013 07:27 2nd Post
Interesting item.
I agree with you about his composition skills.

I think that there must be similar events on most coast lines but not necessarily with loss of villages. I know the loss of villages is especially bad in that area but these villages were all fishing villages. Therefore they were built very close to or on the coast to allow easy access. Unfortunately the soil was sandy not stone as in Cornwall.



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Posted by blackfox: Fri Apr 12th, 2013 05:53 3rd Post
its been going on for thousands of years robert ,about 1500 years ago the wirral extended a lot further north than it does now ,there was a forest/wood a mile out to where the shore now is ,and a lost village to ,the vikings from the isle of man often used to have markets on the sands as well .well documented if my memory serves me correctly .

any part of the coastline thats composed of soil rather than rock will erode over time .i believe the powers that be have taken the let nature take its course attitude rather than pump billions into coastal defences these days.

theres even a rather interesting book called "where troy once stood " that using the waymarks of odessyeus journey home actually places the real troy around the area cambridge/newmarket .ancient earthworks in the area lead to it being a possibility and the war raged over tin for bronze making rather than a woman.take away the fact of the drained fens etc and modern coastal defences and its feasible .

its also now a proven fact that as recently as 1500-2000b.c the black sea was a pleasant valley ,and rising sea levels at the end of the last mini ice age breached the bosphorus ridge the resulting deluge leading to the biblical tales of gilgamesh and noah . :sssshh:



Posted by Eric: Fri Apr 12th, 2013 06:10 4th Post
blackfox wrote:

theres even a rather interesting book called "where troy once stood " that using the waymarks of odessyeus journey home actually places the real troy around the area cambridge/newmarket .ancient earthworks in the area lead to it being a possibility and the war raged over tin for bronze making rather than a woman. .
 
OMG - dont tell me we are going to have a remake with Brad Pitt in a skirt again and in our area!!?!!!

And to make matters unbearable, they wouldnt bring along the beautiful Diane Kruger but replace her with a pile of tin.

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Posted by novicius: Fri Apr 12th, 2013 18:31 5th Post
If that`s not bad enough there`s also man-made erosion , witness the Sahara desert , which was a dense forest until the Romans decided to chop it down for their need of timber,.... did ye have t` mention Brad`s skirt , reminding me of Russel Crowe in a skirt ( Gladiator )



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Posted by blackfox: Sat Apr 13th, 2013 08:48 6th Post
no i think its more to do with climate change at the end of the younger dryass period .which ended 10,000 years ago



Posted by jk: Sat Apr 13th, 2013 15:41 7th Post
Since I or anyone else has accurate records only suppositions and theories I think that to prove of disprove the global warming stuff is going to be difficult.
Also as in all probability I wont be around when it is proven with good data I dont think I need to worry to much which theory is right or wrong.



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Posted by novicius: Sat Apr 13th, 2013 19:22 8th Post
blackfox wrote: no i think its more to do with climate change at the end of the younger dryass period .which ended 10,000 years agoYes , it was likely due to climate changes , but I`m sure the reestee Romans had sumthin` t`do with it , they probably caused global-warming with their floor heating :devil: they`re an intriguing people tho`.. many moons ago I was in Malaga , where there was an excavation of an amfi - theatre , .. I do n`t know if it was Roman , or if the Moors also had amfi-theatres  ( anyone know ? ) , I envy the British expats. who live in sunny Spain , they`re so close to many things , altho` I was a bit disappointed with the Alhambra , I liked the Alcazaba ( Malaga ) .. with a bull fight arena right next to it ,.. so many photo opportunities there .. guess I`ll have t` make do with my summer cottage "  Kronborg "  ( Hamlets castle );-)



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Posted by novicius: Sun Apr 14th, 2013 23:17 9th Post
And ... BTW .. That Well taken portrait ( courtesy of my youngest daughter ) is Moi  !.. on the Pic. ,



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Posted by Robert: Mon Apr 15th, 2013 01:48 10th Post
novicius wrote:
And ... BTW .. That Well taken portrait ( courtesy of my youngest daughter ) is Moi  !.. on the Pic. ,
Nice avatar, what is the camera, is it a Minox DCC?

http://www.minox.com/index.php?id=6018&L=1.



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Posted by jk: Mon Apr 15th, 2013 04:34 11th Post
Nic avatar Vic.
Is that a Minox with you?



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Posted by jk: Mon Apr 15th, 2013 04:36 12th Post
novicius wrote: blackfox wrote: no i think its more to do with climate change at the end of the younger dryass period .which ended 10,000 years agoYes , it was likely due to climate changes , but I`m sure the reestee Romans had sumthin` t`do with it , they probably caused global-warming with their floor heating :devil: they`re an intriguing people tho`.. many moons ago I was in Malaga , where there was an excavation of an amfi - theatre , .. I do n`t know if it was Roman , or if the Moors also had amfi-theatres  ( anyone know ? ) , I envy the British expats. who live in sunny Spain , they`re so close to many things , altho` I was a bit disappointed with the Alhambra , I liked the Alcazaba ( Malaga ) .. with a bull fight arena right next to it ,.. so many photo opportunities there .. guess I`ll have t` make do with my summer cottage "  Kronborg "  ( Hamlets castle );-)

I too found the Alhambra a bit of a disappointment when I was there two years ago.  I prefer the cities of Sevilla and Cordoba.



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Posted by blackfox: Mon Apr 15th, 2013 10:57 13th Post
i spent around 20 years searching the hills up here in north wales ,metal detector in hand looking for evidence of the lost roman town/city of VARUS its mentioned in the antonine itinery as being roughly in the vicinity of where denbigh is now they even gave the roman miles as (approx) 17 miles from caerhun (conway valley) and 32 from deva (chester) the only trouble being that due to the then topography no one knows which route they took .

so you might be looking on a built over area or open fields ,one strong contender for the title is caerwys near the A55 that is laid out still in typically roman street patterns ,but not enough finds have come from the area ,a few roman brooches and odd coins but not enough .the local populations up here were also pretty good at re-using worked stone .one day perhaps technology will move on enough for it to be found .

heres one of my better finds from those endless hours of walking and digging
henry 8th gold angel about a d7100's worth LOL


gold angel henry viii by blackfox wildlife & nature imaging, on Flickr



Posted by jk: Mon Apr 15th, 2013 13:30 14th Post
Nice find Jeff. Well done.



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Posted by novicius: Mon Apr 15th, 2013 19:35 15th Post
Thank Y`all for the kind words:bowing:
It`s this one
Minox Leica M3,  not in production any longer , it`s my " go every where camera "

Wow Blackfox , that`s a GREAT find ,.. ( looking green with envy )



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Posted by Squarerigger: Wed Apr 17th, 2013 08:23 16th Post
Great find Jeff. And the wife lets you keep it?



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