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Posted by Doug: Thu May 31st, 2012 21:58

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I'm glad 4 billion years is beyond comprehension, but it's kind of sad to imagine the inevitable change that will eventually happen to our home

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Posted by Robert: Fri Jun 1st, 2012 01:48

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Doug wrote:
I'm glad 4 billion years is beyond comprehension, but it's kind of sad to imagine the inevitable change that will eventually happen to our home

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Remarkably I came across the same story here.

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In short, our sun and planets will probably survive but human life will probably be extinct by then anyway because by then our sun will have become a red giant and become too hot for us to survive. So much for global warming... :-(

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Posted by jk: Fri Jun 1st, 2012 11:59

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Well I guess in that time frame they may have learnt to do mental teleporting :lol:

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Posted by steve of oxford: Sat Jun 2nd, 2012 15:31

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Being an ex-employee of the publicly funded scientific sector, let me give you an example of the typical publicly funded scientist's day;

1) Arrive at work some time after 9 am.
2) Get coffee sit on bum in coffee lounge.
3) Waffle to someone for half an hour.
4) Wander to office.
5) Sit down at desk with another coffee.
6) Turn on PC.
7) 10 am...time to go to the coffee lounge.
8) 10.45 am...wander back to office.
9) 11 am...time for mid morning coffee, go to coffee lounge.
10) 11.45 am....go back to office.
11) Oh bugger, it's lunch time, go to staff restaurant.
12) Eat artsy-fartsy lunch, waffle a lot to colleagues.
13) 13.45...go back to office.
14) Note from internal e-mail the afternoon's lecture theater invite.
15) Go to lecture theater, waffle and drink coffee in foyer.
16) Sit in back row, go to sleep when lights dimmed.
17) After lecture drink more coffee in foyer and waffle lots.
18) 1500...wander back to office.
19) Damn it's afternoon tea break.
20) Waffle & coffee.
21) Go back to office, damn there's only half an hour left, may as well turn PC off.
22) May as well go to pigeon hole and collect the £50K payslip.
23) Go home, put feet up, read paper, skipping over the bit where it say's non-academia people are losing their jobs by their thousands.

And folk wonder where tax money goes ! The above is ABSOLUTELY TRUE! I should know for eleven years I watched the monkies getting away with it.

So, don't go believing what these over paid doom mongers tell you, they're doing nothing more than smoke & mirrors in trying to convince people they know what they're talking about, just to stay in that cushy number and preserve a cushy pension and a cushy post retirement consultancy on 500 quid a day.

They come out with any old crap just to make you think we need them. Fact is most of 'em get paid vast sums of our money for doing nothing of any benefit to the country. It'd be better to trade these money wasters for better NHS, more police on the streets etc.

Posted by jk: Sat Jun 2nd, 2012 16:50

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Well it is like that in some private industries except that people seem to find ways of making themselves look busy when doing nothing.
It is a UK replacement of the work ethic it is called attendance work!

:lol:

And people wonder why the country is going to the dogs.

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Posted by Squarerigger: Sat Jun 2nd, 2012 19:22

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Not limited to the UK by any means. There were some classes I missed at University which taught one how to turn sharpening a pencil into a 30 year career in the US. Often wondered how they could accept a pay check.

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Posted by richw: Sat Jun 2nd, 2012 20:16

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Reminds me of what I thought of University. It seemed to me all the (limited) work was done by research assistants until they got promoted and could affectively sit back regurgitating old lectures every now and then until retirement, which most postponed till they were at lest 80.

Posted by steve of oxford: Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 04:17

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richw wrote:
Reminds me of what I thought of University. It seemed to me all the (limited) work was done by research assistants until they got promoted and could affectively sit back regurgitating old lectures every now and then until retirement, which most postponed till they were at lest 80.
Yep, the scientific sector I was in was heavily associated with universities. Also most of the scientific staff were from Uni then straight into the laboratory, during their entire [working?] lives saw nothing of the outside world and comfortably settled into the notion that they were at the top of the chain and therefore immune from having to do a days hard graft.

I could summarise by saying that the ones I knew were a bunch of good for nothing expensive lazy arrogant bums who thought they were above everyone else.

I am not kidding when I say there are scientists where I used to work who were incapable of fastening their shoe laces.

If the government wants to axe public sectors, it should annihilate places like the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, which in real terms contributes absolutely nothing to enhance society i.e. does not reduce homelessness and as it happens is a highly corrupt organisation which, after my departure I exposed to the National Audit Office, the Ministerial Office and the Police Economic Crime Unit. Which should give you some measure in the example of how bad it stinks.

As taxpayers we are funding crocks of crap like Rutherford while people eat from refuse bins.

As slight aside, I often think of the two mars probe missions, one US and the other British. Sickening to think the best the British team could manage was an interstellar biscuit tin, which they subsequently lost.

By the way Rich, I do like your avatar photo.

Posted by steve of oxford: Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 04:19

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Squarerigger wrote:
Not limited to the UK by any means. There were some classes I missed at University which taught one how to turn sharpening a pencil into a 30 year career in the US. Often wondered how they could accept a pay check.
Yes it makes you wonder how some people sleep at night.

Posted by steve of oxford: Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 04:26

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jk wrote:
Well it is like that in some private industries except that people seem to find ways of making themselves look busy when doing nothing.
It is a UK replacement of the work ethic it is called attendance work!

:lol:

And people wonder why the country is going to the dogs.
Usually seen at the top of the management chain, eventually gives the organisation a bad name because of internal resentment amongst the ranks, and the subsequent detriment to productivity. Having served my time in the defence industry (prior to moving to the scientific sector) I saw the upper crust's quadruple lunch break ethos all the time, particularly in organisations like BAe (spit) who should never have been allowed to get their grubby hands on Hawker Siddely.

Posted by jk: Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 04:54

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I wondered why I kept coming across people sharpening pencils in Philly especially when we all worked with computers in a paperless office.

Some people have no shame or sense of pride in their personal contribution.
I find it very sad that people can be so detached from life to think that it is just about what they can get out.

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Posted by steve of oxford: Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 07:05

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"I find it very sad that people can be so detached from life to think that it is just about what they can get out."

Yep, that's the name of the game with upper management in this country. The public sector is a fine example, where it's not uncommon to see the rules being seriously bent, those lower down the chain having their rights under law denied etc. Shockingly, lying through one's teeth is a common tactic.....all just to protect that big fat juicy pension or that amazing post retirement consultancy deal. I often think, if there is a divine, some people must surely be in for a thoroughly deserved rough landing.

"what they can get out".....Murdoch's mob spring to mind; get the story before anyone else by whatever means. It's so blatantly obvious.

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