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Posted by jk: Tue Nov 20th, 2012 11:43 1st Post
High speed broadband in UK.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20413324

Logically this means that instead of the target 2MB that is projected for 2015 that in fact it should be able to get to 10MB for all.
Technically this is already possible over copper wires as long as the wires are not shot to pieces with joins (like here in Spain) and the exchange is capable of ADSL2+.


Robert - I see Cumbria is on the first install list so you shoudl get a big improvement soon.



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Posted by Robert: Tue Nov 20th, 2012 12:03 2nd Post
Yea, right...

If I could get 1 Mb reliably I would be a happy bunny.

Have been seriously considering satellite. Kick BT right out and just have broadband via satellite.

I have lost service completely for days on end this year. My ISP tells me the fault is in the exchange, BT say it isn't. My ISP had two of us on my local exchange go down within two seconds of each other last time and still BT denied a fault. Miraculously the connection re-established itself two days later. The 'phone was fine. I revert to a mobile connection to stay on-line but that costs me £15 for 30 days whether I use it or not.

They laid the fibre cables to within about 250 yards last spring and we were supposed to be upgraded by end of June, now they talk of end December.

My ISP reckons I MIGHT see 2Mb??? I am about 4 miles from the exchange.

I bought a new Netgear DGND3700 router with Gig ethernet and ADSL2 ready for the switch, It seems it's a duff unit with dodgy chipset. Netgear have brought out a version 2 of the same router but I can't get my v1 swapped for a v2. Grrrrrr

Am currently using an old Speedtouch router I salvaged from a skip, years ago. It just works.

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Posted by jk: Tue Nov 20th, 2012 12:52 3rd Post
Robert wrote: Yea, right...

If I could get 1 Mb reliably I would be a happy bunny.

Have been seriously considering satellite. Kick BT right out and just have broadband via satellite.

I have lost service completely for days on end this year. My ISP tells me the fault is in the exchange, BT say it isn't. My ISP had two of us on my local exchange go down within two seconds of each other last time and still BT denied a fault. Miraculously the connection re-established itself two days later. The 'phone was fine. I revert to a mobile connection to stay on-line but that costs me £15 for 30 days whether I use it or not.

They laid the fibre cables to within about 250 yards last spring and we were supposed to be upgraded by end of June, now they talk of end December.

My ISP reckons I MIGHT see 2Mb??? I am about 4 miles from the exchange.

I bought a new Netgear DGND3700 router with Gig ethernet and ADSL2 ready for the switch, It seems it's a duff unit with dodgy chipset. Netgear have brought out a version 2 of the same router but I can't get my v1 swapped for a v2. Grrrrrr

Am currently using an old Speedtouch router I salvaged from a skip, years ago. It just works.

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Netgear should upgrade the unit for you if it is faulty.

You should get 10MB if the fibre cable is in a cabinet 250yards away.   You should in fact get 22MB.
It is down to BT having the exchange upgraded.


I would definitely complain to BT about your service.  If you are off service for 24hrs or more then you are entitled to a refund.



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Posted by richw: Fri Nov 23rd, 2012 07:09 4th Post
It's funny, when I moved here the broadband was slow compared to the UK. Since then it gradually improved and ADLS2 is now pretty much standard and has been for a while.

Visiting my mum in Ipswich in August I thought there was something wrong with her broadband it seemed so slow, but on phoning the provider they told me that was how it was meant to work.

Being used to streaming HD movies form iTunes to my Apple TV and watching in real time it seemed strange that this would take my mum nearly 24hrs to download, and yet I still believed before this visit that we were 'behind' in Australia.



Posted by jk: Fri Nov 23rd, 2012 15:39 5th Post
richw wrote:
It's funny, when I moved here the broadband was slow compared to the UK. Since then it gradually improved and ADLS2 is now pretty much standard and has been for a while.

Visiting my mum in Ipswich in August I thought there was something wrong with her broadband it seemed so slow, but on phoning the provider they told me that was how it was meant to work.

Being used to streaming HD movies form iTunes to my Apple TV and watching in real time it seemed strange that this would take my mum nearly 24hrs to download, and yet I still believed before this visit that we were 'behind' in Australia.

Like I said before third world country thinking it is still the best country in the world! Today if you stand still you are moving backwards.



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Posted by Doug: Sun Nov 25th, 2012 17:26 6th Post
When talking about 1mb and 2mb I assume 1000kbps or 2000kbps
I always get confused between MBps and Mbps (MegaBytes/sec or Megabits/sec) so I figured others might as well

Anyway, I recently saw download speed using speedtest.net of 50,000 kbps

You can't trust those tests though - my own internet gives speeds up to 12,000 kbps and it's terrible compared to what I had a couple of months ago when readings were typically 7,500 kbps

Like Rich I was then able to watch multiple streams at once without much issue instantly - trouble was that we would go over our 100GB quota earlier every month and be shaped to 256kbps - I couldn't get onto a cheap high capacity plan (I'm on a rim at the exchange) so I switched to WiMax where I could get supposedly faster speeds and 250GB/month for only a little more

Terrible decision - now I am in the process of switching back - I hope I get a socket and I hope it's as fast as before

I'm going with iinet - 100gb Peak/100GB off peak. Fingers crossed

Anyway - on the positive side I have started paying a bit more attention to networks, channels interference and so on.

jk, Robert, Rich - have a look at http://www.netspotapp.com/ and NetUse Traffic Monitor (App Store)
NetUse Traffic Monitor helped me maintain my sanity when my ISP (Adam) were still trying to convince me that everything was fine
Netspot just helped me to know that my WiFi at home was not part of the issue
(drag and drop a pdf of your floorplan, or draw one, and then Netspot will record and draw a heatmap for the entire area through a few test readings at different locations)

They both seem to be pretty great little apps



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Posted by richw: Sun Nov 25th, 2012 18:36 7th Post
jk wrote:
richw wrote:
It's funny, when I moved here the broadband was slow compared to the UK. Since then it gradually improved and ADLS2 is now pretty much standard and has been for a while.

Visiting my mum in Ipswich in August I thought there was something wrong with her broadband it seemed so slow, but on phoning the provider they told me that was how it was meant to work.

Being used to streaming HD movies form iTunes to my Apple TV and watching in real time it seemed strange that this would take my mum nearly 24hrs to download, and yet I still believed before this visit that we were 'behind' in Australia.


Like I said before third world country thinking it is still the best country in the world! Today if you stand still you are moving backwards.

Funny thing about my mum's situation is she lives a few hundred meters away from the big British Telecom complex at Martlesham Heath, if there was anywhere in the UK you would expect fast broadband surely that would be it, next to the biggest Telecomunications hub in the UK?



Posted by richw: Sun Nov 25th, 2012 18:40 8th Post
Doug wrote:
When talking about 1mb and 2mb I assume 1000kbps or 2000kbps
I always get confused between MBps and Mbps (MegaBytes/sec or Megabits/sec) so I figured others might as well

Anyway, I recently saw download speed using speedtest.net of 50,000 kbps

You can't trust those tests though - my own internet gives speeds up to 12,000 kbps and it's terrible compared to what I had a couple of months ago when readings were typically 7,500 kbps

Like Rich I was then able to watch multiple streams at once without much issue instantly - trouble was that we would go over our 100GB quota earlier every month and be shaped to 256kbps - I couldn't get onto a cheap high capacity plan (I'm on a rim at the exchange) so I switched to WiMax where I could get supposedly faster speeds and 250GB/month for only a little more

Terrible decision - now I am in the process of switching back - I hope I get a socket and I hope it's as fast as before

I'm going with iinet - 100gb Peak/100GB off peak. Fingers crossed

Anyway - on the positive side I have started paying a bit more attention to networks, channels interference and so on.

jk, Robert, Rich - have a look at http://www.netspotapp.com/ and NetUse Traffic Monitor (App Store)
NetUse Traffic Monitor helped me maintain my sanity when my ISP (Adam) were still trying to convince me that everything was fine
Netspot just helped me to know that my WiFi at home was not part of the issue
(drag and drop a pdf of your floorplan, or draw one, and then Netspot will record and draw a heatmap for the entire area through a few test readings at different locations)

They both seem to be pretty great little apps

The iiNet package is the one we have Doug. Even watching a few movies a month we never get close to the 100GB limit, but I'm told having kids quadruples your bandwidth consumption!



Posted by Doug: Sun Nov 25th, 2012 19:36 9th Post
richw wrote:

The iiNet package is the one we have Doug. Even watching a few movies a month we never get close to the 100GB limit, but I'm told having kids quadruples your bandwidth consumption!

No, it's when your wife starts to buy entire seasons of TV Shows on iTunes
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Posted by Robert: Mon Nov 26th, 2012 04:02 10th Post
Doug, I have been using the net spot app for some time, I have created maps for both locations I use.

It's very useful, even more so for helping to locate repeater and additional wireless points around the home to fill in notspots.

As for NetUse Traffic Monitor, thank you for that, The Netgear DGND3700 router I bought has a built in traffic monitor with presettable monthly start points and limits with warnings or shutdown of connection options.

I don't think my Speedtouch will be SNNP aware, although I will try the free checker later and see, I may be surprised...

As for children they do seem to be able to boost the internet usage significantly. If I ever do get my ADSL2 upgrade I am concerned I will find usage will increase significantly. Currently any large downloads tend to be done away from my home location onto my MBP because there is unlimited downloads there, I think my home limit is 10 Gb per month, total of up and down



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Posted by Doug: Mon Nov 26th, 2012 08:31 11th Post
Robert wrote:


As for children they do seem to be able to boost the internet usage significantly. If I ever do get my ADSL2 upgrade I am concerned I will find usage will increase significantly. Currently any large downloads tend to be done away from my home location onto my MBP because there is unlimited downloads there, I think my home limit is 10 Gb per month, total of up and down

Most routers (and its particularly easy with Apple Airport) will allow you to block the Internet based on time/MAC address. That might be better than allowing 24/7 access

It's also easy if they have a mac to block certain sites (YouTube, pirate bay etc.) and apps (transmission, µtorrent etc.) using parental controls



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Posted by Doug: Mon Nov 26th, 2012 08:32 12th Post
Or don't provide a wifi password and make them connect with a removable cable



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Posted by jk: Mon Nov 26th, 2012 16:44 13th Post
One of the things I find somewhat distress/depressing about broadband is that when it was introduced it was also called always on, i.e. always connected and therefore unlimited bandwidth.
It actually doesnt cost anybody anything more or less if you you 1byte per month or 1Pbyte! The cost is the provision of the DMUX in the exchange and this is getting cheaper by the day.



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Posted by jk: Mon Nov 26th, 2012 16:44 14th Post
One of the things I find somewhat distress/depressing about broadband is that when it was introduced it was also called always on, i.e. always connected and therefore unlimited bandwidth.
It actually doesnt cost anybody anything more or less if you you 1byte per month or 1Pbyte! The cost is the provision of the DMUX in the exchange and this is getting cheaper by the day.



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Posted by Robert: Mon Nov 26th, 2012 17:09 15th Post
Doug wrote:
Or don't provide a wifi password and make them connect with a removable cable
They are on Ethernet now I only have my MBP on Wi-Fi. Christopher my younger son who is now 8 happily navigates to my server and helps himself to (read only) cartoons and comedy downloads I have stored there for him in his own folders. He only has access to those folders on the server. They both love to use Google Earth to explore the world, if there is an event somewhere or we are planning a trip they go exploring and see if they can find their way there.



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