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| Posted: Fri Aug 31st, 2018 16:08 |
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Robert
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Well I have had little interest in mirrorless, my interest now is academic rather than there being any prospect of my obtaining one. I don't see Fuji being irrelevant... Both JK and Eric abandoned Nikon DSLRs in favour of Fuji? Sensor size is irrelevant, the final image is the only thing which matters. No matter what camera it comes from. I hope many people buy into mirrorless so the price of recent DSLRs comes down and allows me to inch further along the path to a really good recent camera. My D3 is wonderful most of the time but has some limitations. The resolution is wanting for stars, the banding on repeated 30 second exposures is troublesome and the dynamic range is limited compared with say the D810. A minor irritation to major obstacle, depending on the day... The D3 won't fit on my PB4 bellows without a PK extension tube. Which prevents me from using it for digitising my old slides and negatives. A D810 would fit perfectly. So, please Nikon, sell lots of the new Z cameras to depress the D810 prices even further than the D850 has. 
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31st, 2018 16:55 |
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Eric
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Fuji lenses are very good and their years of experience with film means they know a thing or two about colour balance. So the X cameras produce sharp punchy images despite the smaller sensor. I got rid of my Nikon equipment partly because it was the remnant of my professional years and partly to get rid of the distraction. It was too easy to pick up the Nikon gear I'd used every day for xxyears rather than persevere with the new Fuji system. I got rid of the Fuji system not because of image quality but because of limitations in functionality. I also came to the realisation that I don't need a mirrorless for all situations. It's only two benefits are less weight and exposure preview. So until a mirrorless can deliver on the functionality stakes across the board it will never be a camera for all occasions like a DSLR can
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| Posted: Sat Sep 1st, 2018 04:44 |
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93rd Post |
GeoffR
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I ignored Fuji in the same way that someone planning to buy a Renault will ignore Ferrari. Both will get you from A to B but the most definitely aren't the same. Someone looking for a full frame camera isn't going to consider Fuji, or Leica for that matter, unless money is no object. Hence we need to consider these new Nikons against what potential buyers may also consider. Sony are the obvious starting point but anyone looking at full frame will also look at a Nikon SLR and/or a Canon SLR. The new Z series are, according to at least one review, on a par with the equivalent Sony products, great that is as it should be. The fact that Sony are on their third generation camera and Nikon on their first is irrelevant. Not that the reviewers will agree. Yes I want them to sell well because I want Nikon to be around for a while longer. I agree with Eric, mirrorless isn't, yet, the maid of all work that the SLR is.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 1st, 2018 05:29 |
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jk
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You need to look at the rumoured Canon mirrorless. https://www.nokishita-camera.com/2018/09/eos-r.html Great lens range. Makes Nikon effort look very poor.
____________________ Still learning after all these years! https://nikondslr.uk/gallery_view.php?user=2&folderid=none |
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| Posted: Sat Sep 1st, 2018 05:36 |
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Robert
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GeoffR wrote:the maid of all work that the SLR is. But is it? It's heavy and somewhat clumsy. We have got used to it for interchangeable lens cameras and accepted the downsides because there were no real alternatives. The mirror slap is a real pain at times. With digital it should be possible to have a fully usable silent shutter and get rid of the primitive mirror. For wide angle and long lenses single lens reflex viewfinder is pretty well essential, but why should it need a mirror nowadays? The fewer working parts, the less need making, assembling and carrying about. Also less to go wrong, if it isn't there, it can't go wrong, or need cleaning or adjusting. Simple is good. The deep mirror box also impedes lens design, a shorter lens flange depth allows better design for the sensor requirements, film was less fussy. More freedom for the lens designer means better image quality and perhaps reduced costs. Another two pence worth, maybe...
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| Posted: Sat Sep 1st, 2018 06:17 |
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GeoffR
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Robert wrote: GeoffR wrote: Another two pence worth, maybe...Did you deliberately exclude the word "Yet"?There are some areas in which the mirrorless camera isn't the equal of an SLR, will the gap be closed? I wouldn't say never but it may take a while depending on manufacturer priorities. Sony will be wanting to regain/retain their advantage and may well have the technology in development. As to bulk, any full frame camera fitted with a 24-70 f2.8 is going to be relatively bulky.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 1st, 2018 06:26 |
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GeoffR
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jk wrote: You need to look at the rumoured Canon mirrorless.I am surprised that lens range is such an issue, over 100 current Nikon lenses are available and any current Nikon user is unlikely to ditch their current bodies and embrace the Z series immediately. If, as I suspect, Nikon's aim is to appeal to their current user base first they have made the right moves. If the intent is to attract new users immediately then, yes they have probably made a mistake. If I were Nikon I would want to prevent all those F mount lenses appearing on the second hand market at the same time. Too many used lenses being available could depress sales of new lenses. Also if trade in values are high buying a new camera is easier, financially, we shall see.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 1st, 2018 06:41 |
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Robert
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GeoffR wrote: Did you deliberately exclude the word "Yet"? Didn't feel it was needed at this level...  Don't own and don't intend to own a 24-70 2.8. Not my kind of lens. In the unlikely event I did get a Z I doubt I would get any of the Z lenses. Too clinical. I want to make pictures, not perfect photographs. 105mm f/2.5, 16mm f/2.8 fish and Micro 55mm f/2.8 are my favourites, with a range of others to fill gaps. Zooms are non preferred, but sometimes deployed if the task demands it. The 24-120 f/4.0 is a capable lens but large and heavy. Clambering 2 miles along the Fairy Pools of the river Brittle on Skye was a bit of an effort but the results were worth it. Off out, shoppin to do...
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| Posted: Sat Sep 1st, 2018 09:11 |
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jk
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More Canon info. http://thenewcamera.com/canon-eos-r-fullframe-mirrorless-camera-images-and-full-specification/
____________________ Still learning after all these years! https://nikondslr.uk/gallery_view.php?user=2&folderid=none |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 2nd, 2018 10:52 |
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amazing50
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JK Said "I want an SD card to XQD slot adapter. Still not found one. It must be possible to make." There should be few problems since both cards can be read by USB. Problems may be with licensing etc. Would like one as a second card for my D850.
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