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Posted: Mon Sep 17th, 2018 08:47
 
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Well only real use will tell.
I need to find/make time to check it out and write a review. Probably by end of October if it is released at end of September as planned.



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I thought the only way to stop black out on the new Zs was to drop the image file size down to 16mip? That's not a fix for me ( if it's true) it's a compromise.o.O

I also had no doubts the AF would cope with switching quickly between relatively static subjects in the field of view. The issue is keeping the tracking on the subject when IT IS MOVING quickly and erratically.


I am still not convinced the EVF flickering won't be distracting and cause you to more easily miss moving subjects.

I would have liked to see a comparison between the Zs EVF and the same view through the D850 viewfinder at same operating conditions.

I am convinced the period of blackout/ flicker on a DSLR is much shorter and far less distracting?

But until I try one I can't be sure.

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Don't get me wrong....I am still interested in. Z body.

But at this time it's for different purpose.

On a recent trip to a French bird reserve with a friend, I became aware of a failing in my set up or rather approach.

I took my D500 with 300mm and tc attached.

Mike borrowed Jans LUMIX FZ2000.

When we were in the hide I was able to pump off shots ( like the grebes on the bird thread) with my gear. So was mike, admittedly at a lesser 480mm compared to my 630mm, but still croppable without massive quality loss.

What I WASNT able to do, having left my wide zoom in the car, was take scenery, habitat and general shots. Mike was, having a 24-480mm zoom on the LUMIX.

Sure if I had taken my 16-85 lens as well, I could have swopped back and forth. But frankly that would have been a pain In the @rse. Every time I was shooting scenery I could guarantee a bird would pop up demanding the 600mm!!

As it happens it works ok. Mike got the scenery and I got the birds...so we swopped image files. 😆

So apart from always having a second photographer with me it seems to me that I need a second camera with a wide angle lens attached and ready... alongside the long range body and lens.

A Z body and lens might fill that wide range position, alongside the D500 for long reach situations. But the wife's FZ2000 at a fraction of the Nikon Z options could equally fill that gap ...and some... up to 400mm.

In these wide situations the slowness of the mirrorless is not an issue.

Heck...I used my iPhone and got some good scenery shots on the day!!

Until a Z camera with F mount telephoto lenses attached can be shown to match the D500 with the same lens attached I don't see it superseding the DSLR or being a complete all rounder....at an economic price.o.O



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Eric wrote:
I thought the only way to stop black out on the new Zs was to drop the image file size down to 16mip? That's not a fix for me ( if it's true) it's a compromise.o.O


There is a specific mention in the AF test of a setting that requires changing in menus.


I also had no doubts the AF would cope with switching quickly between relatively static subjects in the field of view. The issue is keeping the tracking on the subject when IT IS MOVING quickly and erratically.

That has always been an issue with DSLRs upto the D3 and is still improving. The D500 seems to lead the Nikon pack.


I am still not convinced the EVF flickering won't be distracting and cause you to more easily miss moving subjects.

That happens in mirrored cameras as well but the mirrorless it is dependent on the EVF rate and your card save speed.


I would have liked to see a comparison between the Zs EVF and the same view through the D850 viewfinder at same operating conditions.

Yes that would be useful.


I am convinced the period of blackout/ flicker on a DSLR is much shorter and far less distracting?

But until I try one I can't be sure.

I think you are wrong here as logically the mirror up/down time is a defined period usually around 1/15 second (I estimate) which is why there is little point shooting >8fps as you are just machine gunning blindly. Use a video camera instead.


Doubting Thomas.

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Eric wrote:
Don't get me wrong....I am still interested in. Z body.

But at this time it's for different purpose.

On a recent trip to a French bird reserve with a friend, I became aware of a failing in my set up or rather approach.

I took my D500 with 300mm and tc attached.

Mike borrowed Jans LUMIX FZ2000.

When we were in the hide I was able to pump off shots ( like the grebes on the bird thread) with my gear. So was mike, admittedly at a lesser 480mm compared to my 630mm, but still croppable without massive quality loss.

What I WASNT able to do, having left my wide zoom in the car, was take scenery, habitat and general shots. Mike was, having a 24-480mm zoom on the LUMIX.

Sure if I had taken my 16-85 lens as well, I could have swopped back and forth. But frankly that would have been a pain In the @rse. Every time I was shooting scenery I could guarantee a bird would pop up demanding the 600mm!!

As it happens it works ok. Mike got the scenery and I got the birds...so we swopped image files. 😆

So apart from always having a second photographer with me it seems to me that I need a second camera with a wide angle lens attached and ready... alongside the long range body and lens.

A Z body and lens might fill that wide range position, alongside the D500 for long reach situations. But the wife's FZ2000 at a fraction of the Nikon Z options could equally fill that gap ...and some... up to 400mm.

In these wide situations the slowness of the mirrorless is not an issue.

Heck...I used my iPhone and got some good scenery shots on the day!!

Until a Z camera with F mount telephoto lenses attached can be shown to match the D500 with the same lens attached I don't see it superseding the DSLR or being a complete all rounder....at an economic price.o.O

Yes all good observations but the Lumix has a tiny sensor (1") compared to the D500 (APS-C). Larger crops become a problem then!

The new Nikon P1000 has a longer zoom but a smaller sensor.
https://www.dpreview.com/products/nikon/compacts/nikon_cpp1000
More compromises.



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Compare the sensor sizes....

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Posted: Wed Sep 26th, 2018 02:28
 
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An article on the new mirrorless cameras from a punters viewpoint...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-45627055

Also the PDF Manual for Z cameras is available, only 484 pages...

https://downloadcenter.nikonimglib.com/en/products/492/Z_7.html

Firmware U/D's

https://nikonrumors.com/2018/09/26/nikon-releases-several-firmware-and-software-updates-180-400mm-p1000-wt-7-sb-5000-and-more.aspx/#more-127634



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Thanks for the Z7 manual link.
Downloaded and will read.



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What ALL of it???

WOW!

:lol: :bowing:



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Only those bits that I need to know! 😀



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