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Posted: Fri Aug 24th, 2018 16:14
 
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All my latest cameras have two slots but I would never use them as a paired set with backup from one to another. That is my personal preference. That said I have used the second slot as a me hanism to backup an SD card to the other at the end of a holiday so everything was on one card for easy downloading!

I guess my risk management is different to some. I have >£70K of camera kit none of it is insured. Why... CBA says it is not a valid proposition. Last camera damage claim was in approx 1980 and value was £680. So 38 years at annual premium of £1K= £38K. So every alternate year I need to lose my D3S or D850 or Z7 to make having insurance worthwhile. I self insure so if I lose or damage it I pay for it! Pays to be careful.

I guess if you are doing weddings or paid commissioned work you may want to either have liability insure or a good contract of hire that excludes loss of pictures due to accident, etc.



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Iain wrote:
If you are doing paid work the two card slots are a insurance policy. All the pros I know all work with cameras with two card slots.

Not convinced. As I see it all the pro's you work with have proper cameras which happen to have two slots, dating from when cards were smaller and less reliable than they are today.

I bet most pros also cary multiple cameras, much better insurance. Have seen this point made many times and there are many sides to the discussion. It won't stop a card going bad and can cause the second card to write the same corrupted file if used as backup, anything can fail. How often do users fail to turn off the camera before changing lenses or swapping cards? Can and does happen.

How many cars have spare wheels today? Of those which do, the spare is generally unused... I can remember when having a puncture was a regular occurrence, back in the 50's and 60's, I haven't had to change a wheel at the roadside since about 15 years ago and I remember the spare was flat! I scoured around and borrowed one from a stranger!

I use my D3 second slot as overflow, I have spent five nights on Isle of Skye, taken ~2,000 NEF exposures, still didn't fill the first 32Gb card.

Just an excuse to save 3 or 4 grand and avoid learning a new camera; abandoning the beloved, trusted DSLR will be a huge wrench for the pro brigade as it won't for now, completely replace the DSLR. My guess is the Z range will be largely taken up by serious enthusiasts and those willing to put their elbow in the potentially hot water. In time I think the Z range will prevail, it's called evolution. o.O

More of a concern is that this is the first iteration of a very new camera, second iteration may well trump it. Buying now is akin to becoming a Nikon guinea pig. There will very likely be some issues with the new design which hopefully will be refined out over time...

Nikon pre production testing is done by trusted, highly experienced photographers, who care, the production cameras will be used by people with a wider range of abilities...



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Interesting.
https://www.dpreview.com/news/1654168429/nikon-announces-64gb-and-120gb-xqd-memory-cards



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Robert I agree with a lot of what you have just said. I see no point in keep changing cameras. From time to time I go back and reprint some of my old D1X and D2X pixs and quality is still very good and to be honest hard to see on an A3 print that todays D500s and D850s produce much better images?
By the way did you get the the Ravenglass DVD you helped us make in July? Are you pleased with the result?



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Agree with Robert.
The professional PJs working with digital will stick with D4 or D5 and go for the next iteration so a DZ6 which will have all the wrinkles ironed out.

I hate to say it as I have invested in SD cards in a big way but XQD is the way to go as it is faster and more robust.



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Iain wrote: jk wrote:
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But they have done it again, one card slot. :whip:

Why do you need two slots?

But in Z7/6 the slot is XQD and the latest specification allows for 4TB XQD cards I believe. I have 64GB XQD and SD cards in my D850, that is > 1400 shots of RAW.
I really dont see the need for dual slots. I think it is driven by a paranoia in wedding photographers about failure of cards. I have had one SD, CF or XQD fail and it was after a format not in live use. All electronics can fail.


If you are doing paid work the two card slots are a insurance policy. All the pros I know all work with cameras with two card slots.
A mere 20 years ago they wouldn't have had that option and undeveloped film is a lot less robust than is a memory card. Not that it isn't advantageous to have two card slots but for more than 100 years there was no equivalent option.

In any case, I see these two as the equivalent of the D750 and D850 rather than equating to a mirrorless D5.

 




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Graham Whistler wrote:
By the way did you get the the Ravenglass DVD you helped us make in July? Are you pleased with the result?

Hi Graham, Yes, very sorry, have kept meaning to thank you, it arrived safely, very impressive!

I have way too many distractions at the moment! Christopher was supposed to be going to Turkey for two weeks but instead is staying on with me for the entire summer holiday, just to keep on my toes...



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wow...xqd...fail

why in the world do they see the need for this? I still go by the rule of no need for larger cards than the life of your battery.

I said many times that I would give my left arm for a large sensor camera that would fit in my pocket. When the Leica x1 was introduced, I fell in love with it's ability but not it's features...when the first fuji x100 came to be I really fell in love!

The "rangefinder" form factor of Fuji and some Sony mirrorless are just great. The fuji and Sony "mini SLR" bodies are lost on me. If I want a DSLR, I would use my Nikons...if I want to use a lens that is long enough to require a tripod, I'll use my Nikons (what difference does it make that they are heavy since I'm already lugging the tripod).

Then there is the XQD...really? SD cards are the standard...why would Nikon (again) buck this trend...is this another Sony Memory stick...yes! I already have too many adapters and cables...NO MORE....

I always thought I would be a single brand guy..Fuji turned me into a dual brand guy... I'll stay that way :-)

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Tom, I am with you on the need for XQD. It is the latest memory standard so Nikon feel the need to move that way as it is already in the D5, D850, D500. Personally I think it does give technical write speed headroom but this really is only valuable to video buffs. If you want video get a video camera is my mantra!

So yes please can someone develop an XQD adapter that takes SD cards.
I will take a couple or maybe five.



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I have been looking at the Z mirrorless lens roadmap.

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