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| Posted: Thu Aug 30th, 2018 07:13 |
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Robert
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jk wrote:OK I know reviewers vary but..... Perhaps a little unfair... I not sure about the percentage, high or low!  Meant to add... There is only ONE reviewer who counts, you! I honestly believe you will be pleased but this is only the start, if the Z's match the opposition (who are on umpteenth iteration) at the first attempt then we can only look forward to some very good cameras.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30th, 2018 08:29 |
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82nd Post |
jk
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GeoffR wrote:jk wrote:OK I know reviewers vary but.....Essentially, yes I think that is exactly what they wanted, and I dare say Nikon could have done it but they need user feedback and they need to get the cameras in the right hands. What they have is attractive to Nikon users but needs refining. Yes but how unrealistic from the reviewers. We all know that there are technology limitations and advantages with PhaseDetect/ContrastDetect AF units. The speed of AF acquisition in different and accuracy also. This article is a good read. https://www.creative-photographer.com/phase-detection-contrast-detection-autofocus/
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31st, 2018 10:04 |
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Eric
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Well I am still unconvinced on the value for money and functionality of these cameras based on the majority of reviews I've seen so far. They range from polite critique to downright offensive, with the general tenor being..... there is nothing on these cameras that wows, despite all the Nikon 'mirrorless reinvented' hype. Some have suggested it's little more than a D5000 series camera withthe mirror taken out. And given the price tag that would be extortionate. Depressingly so, I have even heard it doesn't focus in AF-C mode very reliably making tracing less than ideal. And one person dared to say there was viewfinder blackout. So I am not holding my breath on this one.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31st, 2018 10:49 |
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jk
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I think that the high price is a reflection of Nikon putting a 45MP sensor in the camera. If it had been me I would have launched the 24MP Z6 first, ironed out the issues and complaints and released the killer Z7 with everything fixed and at same time launch a DZ7 (professional body like the D6). In a DZ7 I would expect mirrorless camera with twin cards, two batteries, Z flange, even faster AF. Yes I do feel uncertain about going to the Z7 but it may be a very good option if it performs correctly. It wont be a D850 but more a XT2 on steroids. That is my expectation. I may be disappointed.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31st, 2018 11:14 |
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85th Post |
GeoffR
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As I said back in post 76 I have made my decision. We have no way of knowing whether the review samples had the final firmware or whether there will be changes as a result of the reviews. We won't find out until the production versions hit the dealers in September and October, I don't think this is a camera for the early adopter.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31st, 2018 11:28 |
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Robert
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GeoffR wrote:I don't think this is a camera for the early adopter. Don't understand?  Anyone who buys this camera WILL be an early adopter, unless they are buying it from old stock, 12 months hence...
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31st, 2018 12:02 |
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87th Post |
Eric
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jk wrote:I think that the high price is a reflection of Nikon putting a 45MP sensor in the camera. Although ultimately a professional mirrorless will come along and be adopted by same, I feel it is still some time off. Although many professionals DO USE mirrorless cameras, it will need something a bit more robust than the current body and lenses to woo the D5/6 brigade. That said, I no longer take photographs for a living, so wouldn't need it D5 bombproof. For me it's the value for money part that irks me. The 45mp D850 is priced near enough to the Z7 to question the advantage of mirrorless
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31st, 2018 12:42 |
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GeoffR
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Robert wrote: GeoffR wrote:That should read "this is not a camera with which to be an early adopter" buying one of the first batch is a gamble, later buyers will benefit from firmware updates out of the box. I would let someone else be the guinea pig.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31st, 2018 13:37 |
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Robert
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GeoffR wrote:Robert wrote:GeoffR wrote: Ah! I think I said that in my first post (or second!). Not just the firmware, the hardware too. Totally new mount is bound to have some room for refinement. It's easy to get carried away by the hype. That said, I still think these cameras will be outstanding. Nikon have made an massive investment, they are committed to making the highest quality product they can produce. Even if it's 'no better' than the D850, that's still a great achievement. The opposition ie. Sony and Fuji, are several iterations down the track. The paying customer has funded the development, as is to be expected. The AF will take some sorting because it's a physics thing, trying to do the impossible. Even with todays technology the impossible takes a little longer! LOL
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31st, 2018 15:03 |
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GeoffR
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Robert wrote: GeoffR wrote:Lets ignore Fuji, their sensor is smaller and thus not a direct competitor. What Nikon have done is to produce a camera very close in all respects to the equivalent Sony.(According to the reviews) That it took Sony three goes to get there and Nikon are on their first attempt suggests that the wait was worthwhile. That does mean that the next iteration from Nikon needs to surpass the next Sony and that isn't going to be easy. However, they have to get the firmware of this one right first.
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