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Posted: Tue Jun 19th, 2012 10:29
 
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TomOC wrote: Well, I won't be testing the 800 any time soon. I thought it was due today (2 day prime shipping)... Wrong... Not till July 5 to 23rd !!!

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That is noting,
I ordered my D800 the 8 of February, and it arrived last Friday - apparently Nikon Denmark has grossly underestimated how many they could sell, and the waiting list at my local shop is very very long.

On the positive side, I got it at a good prise, saved 12% compared to the current prise.

Best of luck with your purchase,
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Good to hear that SOME are arriving.

You ordered the 800? Rather than 800e?

When I saw how long it was taking to get the 800, I changed my order to the 800e. Looking over my Fuji xpro-1 files, I don't see any problem from moire and they have removed the anti alias filter as well. We'll see :-)

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It could be Tom that with the higher resolution the moire issue is less relevant?

Any moire that does arise will probably so fine as to not be noticeable perhaps.



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TomOC wrote:
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Good to hear that SOME are arriving.

You ordered the 800? Rather than 800e?

When I saw how long it was taking to get the 800, I changed my order to the 800e. Looking over my Fuji xpro-1 files, I don't see any problem from moire and they have removed the anti alias filter as well. We'll see :-)

Tom


Yes but they (Fuji) changed the sensor pattern which also reduces the likelihood of moire. I believe this is the critical factor.
Nikon are providing additional moire control in CNX2



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Yes but they (Fuji) changed the sensor pattern which also reduces the likelihood of moire. I believe this is the critical factor.
Nikon are providing additional moire control in CNX2


JK - do you think you will need that? That ACR won't manage it?

Tom

PS... Which would / are you get (ting)

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Tom,
I opted for the D800 rather than the E version.

I dont know how ACR will cope with moire.

CNX2 is just too quirky for me. Moire is a pig to get rid of though so it might be worth installing if you have a license as you are getting the D800E.



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I opted for the D800 rather than the E version.

I dont know how ACR will cope with moire.

CNX2 is just too quirky for me. Moire is a pig to get rid of though so it might be worth installing if you have a license as you are getting the D800E.


I'm starting to get a sinking feeling about the 800e...

Really amazed today.. Got an email from and Amazon "Camera concierge" who advised me to order both and make up my mind when I get notices that they are available to ship... Wow

So I did :-)

Tom - still welcome advice on this one :-)



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Gert wrote: TomOC wrote: Well, I won't be testing the 800 any time soon. I thought it was due today (2 day prime shipping)... Wrong... Not till July 5 to 23rd !!!

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That is noting,
I ordered my D800 the 8 of February, and it arrived last Friday - apparently Nikon Denmark has grossly underestimated how many they could sell, and the waiting list at my local shop is very very long.

On the positive side, I got it at a good prise, saved 12% compared to the current prise.

Best of luck with your purchase,
Gert
Interesting that you say that Gert.
I think they grossly underestimated the uptake of the D800 as I had to wait for the second shipment into the UK.  I got mine in mid-May.

The D800 seems to work just as well as the D3S in mixed lighting and high ISO conditions.
I was concerned that it would be more noisy and also that it would require/demand better than hand-holding to get what I need from it.  Obviously working on a tripod and at faster shutter speeds will always yield a superior result.



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My short take on D800 vs D800E:

When in doubt you should take the D800.

The longer version:

Most of us were happy with the shapness of a 12MP camera having an anti-aliasing filter, and now 3 times the resolution is not enough?

The anti-aliasing filter is there for reasons described in the Nyquist frequency theory
Which states that when having fine grained details then you cannot reproduce the picture without introducing spurious errors. If you know how the picture should look like (e.g. a repetitive pattern) then you will spot the errors, otherwise you might not see it.
This is good and bad, if you cannot see it then it does not bother you, but it also means that when comparing a D800 with a D800E and you are seeing more details from the D800E, you have a hard time telling if the details are for real or you are actually looking at errors!

Another thing is that you cannot really fix these errors afterwards, because the needed information is missing, so software handling the issue can only try to do a "work around"; e.g. look for patters like moire and then try to suppress them, kind of like when noise reduction software is trying to reduce high iso noise.

So much for the theory, I think that in most cases eider one will do very well, but the D800E is a specialist tool, and if you do not have a specific reason for getting it then the D800 will be the safest bet.

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Pretty compelling logic.

I think I agree :-)

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