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| Posted by TomOC: Fri Jun 8th, 2012 12:54 | 1st Post |
| So, all the D800 discussion is killing me... Anyone think I should wait for a D800e? How large is the Photoshop full size PSD file from the 36mp sensor? Oh, Lord, what to do? What to do? New camera might mean new storage drive, new mac, new everything  ...Your helplessly addicted servant, Tom
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| Posted by Robert: Fri Jun 8th, 2012 16:10 | 2nd Post |
| What Mac are you running now Tom? I have a Quad i7 Mac mini, that's pretty fast. I just set a Quad i5 iMac up for a friend and that is pretty quick. I would have thought a second Firewire HD like a G Tech 2 or 4Gb drive would be fine. My Mac Mini handles 100Mb images with no issues in Adobe Photoshop Cs5. I even opened 1,800 NEF's from my D200 all at once. It did take about 28 Minutes to save them all to JPEG but I felt that was reasonable for THAT many images. http://www.g-technology.com/products/products.cfm
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| Posted by Eric: Fri Jun 8th, 2012 16:32 | 3rd Post |
Robert wrote:What Mac are you running now Tom? Why did you open 1800 images at once? If you wanted to convert them to jpeg why not run the image processor script?
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| Posted by Robert: Fri Jun 8th, 2012 16:52 | 4th Post |
| They were captured in tethered mode, pages of a book which I converted to PDF. I tried doing it with JPEGS but ran into problems, so used NEF. I wanted the adjustments to be uniform across the whole of the PDF so, having opened 800 previously on another project I thought I would try 1800. I was amazed it had no apparent effect on the speed of operation it was just like working on one image. I opened them in ACR made the global adjustments then went through and adjusted the crops and the occasional bright highlight where a page wasn't quite flat and had created a hotspot. The only lag was when I saved to JPEG, that did seem a bit slow. I then imported all the JPEGS to Acrobat and made a PDF.
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| Posted by TomOC: Fri Jun 8th, 2012 19:13 | 5th Post |
| Robert- It won't kill my macs - I have a 3 year old iMac with 16gb ram and a 3 year old MacBook Pro with 8gb and (here is a problem) a 256gb SSD which is always nearly full. I can't imagine opening 200 NEFs on any computer Tom
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| Posted by TomOC: Fri Jun 8th, 2012 19:14 | 6th Post |
| So how large are the D800 NEF files? When converted to PDF at full res???? Tom
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| Posted by Constable: Sat Jun 9th, 2012 04:18 | 7th Post |
| Tom My D800E NEFs are between 40 and 45 MB. In CS6 a 42.3 MB NEF just converted to a 108.4 MB psd file. I use NEF as my archival form. Ed
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| Posted by jk: Sat Jun 9th, 2012 04:20 | 8th Post |
Eric wrote: Robert wrote:  Seems like we need to get that How to Do It section for Photoshop skills implemented sooner rather than later. New ACR version allows all sorts of new defaults to be set up to make this more efficient as well.
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| Posted by jk: Sat Jun 9th, 2012 04:24 | 9th Post |
| Tom in answer to your question. A D800 NEF is approximately 46.3MB in size. When opening in CS6 the file size for the Photoshop Doc (why dont they call it a file?) is claimed to be 103.4MB I hate to think what might happen other than complete bogging down if you opened 1800 D800 images at once. Scratch disk would probably melt down (200GB instantly taken) then of course some new Layers and its bye-bye to 1TB.
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| Posted by jk: Sat Jun 9th, 2012 04:34 | 10th Post |
TomOC wrote: Robert-256GB SDD unit in my MBAir and it is only 138MB used! I thought that I had a lot of stuff on mine Including my documents and mail which take up 12GB, iView catalog 2GB, LR catalog 1GB, plus some customer images that I still need to show them 5GB. So I could gain back 20Gb at a snap.
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| Posted by TomOC: Sat Jun 9th, 2012 11:09 | 11th Post |
jk wrote:Tom in answer to your question. JK- With the xp1 RAF files, which come in at 19mb, I wind up with a 91mb PSD file. Does Nikon do something radical to make their file expand at a smaller per centage? Tom
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| Posted by jk: Sat Jun 9th, 2012 12:08 | 12th Post |
| Tom, A 26.3MB XP1 RAF file from my XP1 grows to only 45.7MB Doc file in Photoshop CS6. Therefore the 16MP camera is producing an approximate x3 equivalence when loaded in CS6 which is similar to the 36MP Nikon producing a 103MB. (I know I am mixing MP with MB but I am also not accounting for the 3 channels of colour data and interpolations).
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| Posted by TomOC: Sat Jun 9th, 2012 17:47 | 13th Post |
| JK- You are right... I was trying to think before my morning coffee... Thanks, Tom
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| Posted by richw: Sun Jun 10th, 2012 01:57 | 14th Post |
Robert wrote:What Mac are you running now Tom? I'd do one in Lightroom the synch settings, whih doesn't put much load on it, might work much the same way in ACR.
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| Posted by Robert: Sun Jun 10th, 2012 03:37 | 15th Post |
| Rich, My whole point of mentioning this was to illustrate that huge file sizes are not imposing unmanageable loads on the computer. This was on a base model 2009 Mac mini with 4 GB RAM and a 160Gb 5400 rpm (slow) HD. I have no Idea what the limit might be, or where it starts to have an impact on performance but honestly, 1,800 D200 NEF's did not slow that Mac mini down. The only 'slow' bit was exporting to JPEG, which was probably reasonable considering the numbers involved. The reason I tried it was because I had to visit every page to slightly adjust the crop position and to check for highlights and the very occasional blemish. Loading them all together made it a seamless experience, it took me a whole day to go through every page, probably 17Hrs plus breaks but I got stuck in and it flowed. I used an early version of Sofortbilt to capture the images directly to a 'G' Technologies (Hitachi) RAID 0 Firewire 800 drive. I am still using that drive and it still performs well. Hence my suggestion to Tom. I have four more similar drives and they are all of a similar age. If an HD does eventually go down I will simply replace the disk. The enclosures are really well built, all aluminium with no plastic in sight. I use the RAID drive as my main drive and simply plug it into whichever computer I am using that day, desktop or MBP. I don't keep any significant data on a computer internal drive, If I capture some images while away, such as the recent Little Tern images, I store them on the MBP until I get home then plug the RAID drive in and lift them off the computer drive. For the most part my computer drives run very light. Normally I have Time Machine back up my Main Drive (the RAID) and my current desktop to one of two backup drives which I switch over every couple of weeks to an external location away from home. I also have a stack of bare drives and a SATA dock which I use to make occasional backups of whole drives and to archive. I use Super Duper and CCC, Carbon Copy Cloner. The main message here for Tom is that if he get's a good fast Firewire drive, he will probably improve the performance of his existing computers and have consistent data available to both of his Macs without clogging them with data. They will respond well to that. I suspect Tom is using USB external drives for backup, Firewire is much faster and more suitable. My G drives USB speed is Write, 38Mb / Sec - Read, 39Mb / Sec. The RAID Firewire 800 is Write, 64Mb / Sec - Read, 82Mb / Sec. I won't even quote the internal drives  (they were even slower).Download and run this Tom, see what it says about your disk speeds... http://www.xbench.com I just ran X Bench on my i7 Mac mini. The RAID times are a bit down on last time but still respectable Perhaps there is some fragmentation now? I append the results of the main standard internal drive, the G Tech RAID drive and a G Tech USB drive. Attachment: Mac Mini i7 HD Benchmarks June 12.jpg (Downloaded 44 times)
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| Posted by jk: Sun Jun 10th, 2012 07:12 | 16th Post |
| Yes Macs do very well with outboard drives especially when they are Firewire attached. I have just got a new Drobo S unit which seems very good but I want to get some new drives for it but I will probably stick at 1TB drives rather than go to 2 or 3TB units. The larger the disk the more 'fragile' they can be.
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| Posted by Robert: Sun Jun 10th, 2012 07:29 | 17th Post |
jk wrote:The larger the disk the more 'fragile' they can be. I don't completely buy that... I have seen greater reliability of drives over recent years, together with a doubling and quadrupling of capacity. Eric gave me a couple of redundant 160Gb drives some time ago, one of them went bad on me last week, I think it was made 2004, so that isn't bad? I do agree that all eggs in one basket is a bad strategy. My largest drives are 1TB but I have my data backed up onto several smaller drives and more than once.
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| Posted by jk: Sun Jun 10th, 2012 09:11 | 18th Post |
| I currently have about 15-20 drives that are in my various machines. For some reason my supplier only seems able to source Seagate drives. In the last year I have had 3 drive failures. The age of these drives is no more than 2-3 years. I seem to consistently 'lose' 1-2 drives per year. This is an expense I have to swallow as it is very difficult to get them replaced under warranty even though in reality they should last 3-5 years no problem. Here in Spain the AC supply is variable (180-290volts) and with outages and surges so it also shortens drive life. I dont absolutely trust the higher capacity drives as the higher capacity is achieved by having a higher density of data packing rather than more platters.
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| Posted by Constable: Sun Jun 10th, 2012 10:08 | 19th Post |
| Touching wood and crossing fingers, I have had no problem with 2TB drives. My primary RAID has 8 2TB drives. Ed
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| Posted by Robert: Sun Jun 10th, 2012 11:08 | 20th Post |
Kiss of death there Ed!  All my purchasing of HD's has been restricted to WD Black drives or the G Technologies (Hitachi) drives. Seagate don't have a good reputation from what I have read. Your experience seems to bear that out?
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| Posted by Iain: Sun Jun 10th, 2012 14:40 | 21st Post |
| I hope the WD driver are ok Robert as they are the only ones I have had fail on me.
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| Posted by Robert: Sun Jun 10th, 2012 15:39 | 22nd Post |
| Well I have about six and non failed yet? Touche wood!
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| Posted by TomOC: Mon Jun 11th, 2012 01:26 | 23rd Post |
jk wrote:Tom, I just HAD to figure this out.. I had a bunch of 91mb files from the xp1. Your math was right so I figured I saved a bunch of files without flattening....nope... The files were the TIF files from silky pix !!! Now gone and PS files are in line with yours. Cheers, Tom
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| Posted by jk: Mon Jun 11th, 2012 03:03 | 24th Post |
TomOC wrote:jk wrote: Those SilkyPix tiff files are very good. There is a lot of chat on the FujiX forums about the quality (or lack of) of the ACR and LR output. I have a very good image for testing that I processed in SP and also in ACR and they are near identical. I think people are spending too much time pixel peeping to see if their XP1 is better than their Leica M9 or Nikon or Canon. I think they need to go use. The camera produces great images.
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| Posted by TomOC: Mon Jun 11th, 2012 11:18 | 25th Post |
| JK- I'm very happy with ACR and I'm not about to have a whole new workflow for xp1 You are spot on - just go shoot -you will like it. The folks in the x forums are way too difficult and not positive very often I'm loving my xp1 and have ordered a d800 so I'm too busy to be negative  Tom
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| Posted by Squarerigger: Mon Jun 11th, 2012 11:44 | 26th Post |
TomOC wrote:JK- Congratulations Tom on being the next to own a D800. Look forward to your reviews and some pics. Now, I think we need a support group for those of us who aren't getting the D800. We will soon be in the minority here. 
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| Posted by Robert: Mon Jun 11th, 2012 12:03 | 27th Post |
| I mentioned this in an earlier post Gary, we sould have called this forum the D800 forum!
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| Posted by TomOC: Mon Jun 11th, 2012 13:27 | 28th Post |
| I feel like you did... I was determined to see the D400 before deciding if I would buy one of the new models... So much for common sense and will power Tom
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| Posted by Squarerigger: Mon Jun 11th, 2012 13:34 | 29th Post |
Robert wrote:I mentioned this in an earlier post Gary, we sould have called this forum the D800 forum! Good observation Robert. 
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| Posted by TomOC: Tue Jun 12th, 2012 23:04 | 30th Post |
| Well, I won't be testing the 800 any time soon. I thought it was due today (2 day prime shipping)... Wrong... Not till July 5 to 23rd !!! So I cancelled the order in favor of the now listed 800e Ah, life is a merry go round Tom
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| Posted by jk: Wed Jun 13th, 2012 02:21 | 31st Post |
Constable wrote:Touching wood and crossing fingers, I have had no problem with 2TB drives. My primary RAID has 8 2TB drives.Yes I tried to get a Drobo 8 unit but they were going for silly money and they are twice as large so getting from UK to Spain was a problem. I have the unit running now but I am awaiting new drives for the two dead ones.
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| Posted by jk: Wed Jun 13th, 2012 02:26 | 32nd Post |
TomOC wrote:Well, I won't be testing the 800 any time soon. I thought it was due today (2 day prime shipping)... Wrong... Not till July 5 to 23rd !!! Well done Tom. I dont know how Ed is finding his unit but my D800 certainly seems to be producing good results when used with flash or under controlled conditions. I have a double flamenco shoot this weekend and next so that will be my first test of the D800 in these conditions.
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| Posted by Squarerigger: Wed Jun 13th, 2012 06:40 | 33rd Post |
Would someone please explain to me why one would select one model of the D800 over the other. Please keep it in layman's terms  If one model or the other is best suited for a particular type of photograph. Is each model a well rounded body, or more specialized?
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| Posted by Robert: Wed Jun 13th, 2012 07:16 | 34th Post |
Squarerigger wrote:Would someone please explain to me why one would select one model of the D800 over the other. Please keep it in layman's terms The D800 is the 'Normal' body. The D800E has had the anti-aliasing filter omitted (not fitted). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-aliasing_filter It means that the images may potentially be sharper but at the cost of moir© patterns in some images which have repeated stripe patterns in them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moir©_pattern Yer pays yer money and take the chance. Moir© is difficult to remove in post processing. The D200 is said to have too strong an anti-aliasing filter therefor produces less sharp images than it is capable of. I have removed it from one of my D1x's but I haven't noticed the difference.
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| Posted by Squarerigger: Wed Jun 13th, 2012 08:09 | 35th Post |
| Thanks Robert for the explanation. I have looked at the photos on this site done with a D800, such as Graham's, and those by Ed with a D800e, I believe, and I see no difference. Maybe it's the resolution on the site but I think both are very sharp.
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| Posted by Robert: Wed Jun 13th, 2012 08:38 | 36th Post |
| You won't see it at this scale Gary, you will only see it with a top quality monitor which is displaying the actual file, not a degraded JPEG which this forum (and most other internet viewers) displays. You need to have the actual file on your own computer to see the difference. Which kinda negates the benefits if you only ever intend to view or display your images via the internet.
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| Posted by jk: Wed Jun 13th, 2012 10:39 | 37th Post |
| That is the problem. Showing results on screen relies on someone noticing moire in the original image then taking a screen shot of the offending area. We are now into situations where showing the image is just not good enough as the complete image has a size that are so large that they take huge amounts of disk space and also bandwidth to upload/download.
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| Posted by Dave Groen: Wed Jun 13th, 2012 10:47 | 38th Post |
| The D800 has the usual anti-aliasing filter in front of the sensor. The D800e does not, so you get less hardware for $300 more money, slightly better sharpness, and a chance for moire with certain subjects. Nikon's explanation is HERE. Scroll down a little for the comparisons. Attachment: Snap3.jpg (Downloaded 27 times)
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| Posted by Squarerigger: Wed Jun 13th, 2012 11:29 | 39th Post |
| Thanks Dave, that was helpful. I guess Nikon is hoping we buy one of each. A D800 for everyday use and a D800e for macro, studio, etc.  By the way Dave, is that new avatar a photo of you at a high school ball game in St. Louis?
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| Posted by Dave Groen: Wed Jun 13th, 2012 18:59 | 40th Post |
Squarerigger wrote:By the way Dave, is that new avatar a photo of you at a high school ball game in St. Louis? It's not me. It's from a St Louis Cardinals game in the good(?) old days when anyone could smoke at a ball game, even kids.
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| Posted by Gert: Tue Jun 19th, 2012 10:29 | 41st Post |
TomOC wrote: Well, I won't be testing the 800 any time soon. I thought it was due today (2 day prime shipping)... Wrong... Not till July 5 to 23rd !!!That is noting, I ordered my D800 the 8 of February, and it arrived last Friday - apparently Nikon Denmark has grossly underestimated how many they could sell, and the waiting list at my local shop is very very long. On the positive side, I got it at a good prise, saved 12% compared to the current prise. Best of luck with your purchase, Gert
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| Posted by TomOC: Tue Jun 19th, 2012 11:36 | 42nd Post |
| Gert- Good to hear that SOME are arriving. You ordered the 800? Rather than 800e? When I saw how long it was taking to get the 800, I changed my order to the 800e. Looking over my Fuji xpro-1 files, I don't see any problem from moire and they have removed the anti alias filter as well. We'll see Tom
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| Posted by Robert: Tue Jun 19th, 2012 12:09 | 43rd Post |
| It could be Tom that with the higher resolution the moire issue is less relevant? Any moire that does arise will probably so fine as to not be noticeable perhaps.
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| Posted by jk: Tue Jun 19th, 2012 16:25 | 44th Post |
TomOC wrote:Gert- Yes but they (Fuji) changed the sensor pattern which also reduces the likelihood of moire. I believe this is the critical factor. Nikon are providing additional moire control in CNX2
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| Posted by TomOC: Tue Jun 19th, 2012 16:37 | 45th Post |
jk wrote:TomOC wrote: JK - do you think you will need that? That ACR won't manage it? Tom PS... Which would / are you get (ting) Tom
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| Posted by jk: Wed Jun 20th, 2012 11:16 | 46th Post |
| Tom, I opted for the D800 rather than the E version. I dont know how ACR will cope with moire. CNX2 is just too quirky for me. Moire is a pig to get rid of though so it might be worth installing if you have a license as you are getting the D800E.
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| Posted by TomOC: Wed Jun 20th, 2012 11:29 | 47th Post |
jk wrote:Tom, I'm starting to get a sinking feeling about the 800e... Really amazed today.. Got an email from and Amazon "Camera concierge" who advised me to order both and make up my mind when I get notices that they are available to ship... Wow So I did Tom - still welcome advice on this one
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| Posted by jk: Wed Jun 20th, 2012 11:34 | 48th Post |
Gert wrote: TomOC wrote:Interesting that you say that Gert.Well, I won't be testing the 800 any time soon. I thought it was due today (2 day prime shipping)... Wrong... Not till July 5 to 23rd !!!That is noting, I think they grossly underestimated the uptake of the D800 as I had to wait for the second shipment into the UK. I got mine in mid-May. The D800 seems to work just as well as the D3S in mixed lighting and high ISO conditions. I was concerned that it would be more noisy and also that it would require/demand better than hand-holding to get what I need from it. Obviously working on a tripod and at faster shutter speeds will always yield a superior result.
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| Posted by Gert: Wed Jun 20th, 2012 15:10 | 49th Post |
| My short take on D800 vs D800E: When in doubt you should take the D800. The longer version: Most of us were happy with the shapness of a 12MP camera having an anti-aliasing filter, and now 3 times the resolution is not enough? The anti-aliasing filter is there for reasons described in the Nyquist frequency theory Which states that when having fine grained details then you cannot reproduce the picture without introducing spurious errors. If you know how the picture should look like (e.g. a repetitive pattern) then you will spot the errors, otherwise you might not see it. This is good and bad, if you cannot see it then it does not bother you, but it also means that when comparing a D800 with a D800E and you are seeing more details from the D800E, you have a hard time telling if the details are for real or you are actually looking at errors! Another thing is that you cannot really fix these errors afterwards, because the needed information is missing, so software handling the issue can only try to do a "work around"; e.g. look for patters like moire and then try to suppress them, kind of like when noise reduction software is trying to reduce high iso noise. So much for the theory, I think that in most cases eider one will do very well, but the D800E is a specialist tool, and if you do not have a specific reason for getting it then the D800 will be the safest bet. /Gert
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| Posted by TomOC: Wed Jun 20th, 2012 16:55 | 50th Post |
| Gert- Pretty compelling logic. I think I agree Tom
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| Posted by jk: Thu Jun 21st, 2012 02:45 | 51st Post |
| That seems to follow a similar rationale that drove me to a D800. I didnt want to have the pain of removing moire if it was seen as I remember there were a few instance in the D1/D1X days of trying to remove moire in Photoshop and it proved to be very difficult without making the image look false.
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| Posted by Eric: Thu Jun 21st, 2012 07:12 | 52nd Post |
| To misquote Neil Sedaka... "The moire I see you...... the moire I (dont) want you" 
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| Posted by TomOC: Thu Jun 21st, 2012 11:59 | 53rd Post |
| OK... Three to 0 say 800. I'll cancel the 800e order Thanks Tom
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| Posted by Squarerigger: Thu Jun 21st, 2012 12:02 | 54th Post |
TomOC wrote:OK... Three to 0 say 800. Nikon would want you to have one of each Tom! 3:)
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| Posted by jk: Thu Jun 21st, 2012 12:12 | 55th Post |
TomOC wrote: OK... Three to 0 say 800.I'd wait for feedback from Ed (before cancelling) as he is the only person I know who has a D800E. He will have some useful insights I am sure. The D800 will I think be an easier beast to use. However it does eat disk space!.
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| Posted by Constable: Thu Jun 21st, 2012 15:21 | 56th Post |
| Sorryy ... been travelling with limited wlan access. I've done some side by side tests of the 800 and 800E. In most normal conditions (i.e. printing up to A2 size, no massive cropping9 there is not much to chose. Both give files that are hard drive eaters. I have had no issues with Moire with either body. The 800E might be the choice for landscape (which I don't do - and is for me the choice for macro where I need to crop). The 800 is significantly easier to use and is more forgiving. With the 800E you have to really think as if you are using an MF body - BUT an MF body that you can use at higher ISO. For me the 800E is just about worth it ... I am not sure about birding - i need to borrow JKs 400 2.8, but for most purposes the D800 is good. Comparison with the D3X is a bit depressing. Handling of the D3X is better (I don't like add on drives for the 800E). Up to ISO 800 there is not much to chose. The D3X is a little more forgiving but you cannot crop so hard. So I would get whatever is available Ed
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| Posted by jk: Thu Jun 21st, 2012 17:39 | 57th Post |
Constable wrote:Sorryy ... been travelling with limited wlan access. Always welcome to come to Valencia to try out the 400 f2.8
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| Posted by jk: Fri Jun 22nd, 2012 10:55 | 58th Post |
| Well DxO have just published their tests on the D800E. http://nikonrumors.com/2012/06/21/there-is-a-new-dxomark-king-nikon-d800e.aspx/ I'm not sure I understand the DxO ratings and tests but for what it is worth the D800E is one point ahead of the D800.
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| Posted by Eric: Fri Jun 22nd, 2012 13:32 | 59th Post |
jk wrote:Well DxO have just published their tests on the D800E. Seems like the most meaningless comparison I've ever seen. 
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| Posted by Squarerigger: Fri Jun 22nd, 2012 14:15 | 60th Post |
Eric wrote:jk wrote: I keep clicking on the question marks to see if they display any information on how the data was obtained or the test method used, but it just pops up the same window. Oh, well, the numbers look impressive so I am sure folks will run out right away and lay down hugh amounts of money to get one that is one point over the other. 
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| Posted by TomOC: Fri Jun 22nd, 2012 14:20 | 61st Post |
| I've never liked DxO software, why should I like their ratings
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| Posted by jk: Sat Jun 23rd, 2012 03:45 | 62nd Post |
| Nor me but I posted the link to show that the D800E only beat the D800 by one point. I confess to be a little confused or baffled by their scoring. I am sure there must besome logic or method in their testing methodology but it is lost on me.
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| Posted by Robert: Sat Jun 23rd, 2012 06:25 | 63rd Post |
| Which is probably why they don't show it?
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