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Posted: Sat Feb 10th, 2024 00:41
 
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Thank you all for the replies, and since the D850 is mentioned,I have never held one,and thought it looks a bit " chubby " ,so I am rather surprised it being described as having good ergonomics.

I viewed the D850 as a bit of a suspect camera, remembering the highly praised sensor, which was never implemented in a flagship camera,...why not if it was so good ?.....but perhaps they did and called it something else, remembering the D1 sensor which is specified at 2.6 mpixel with it actually being a 10.4 mpixel .sensor,...and then the sensor technology implemented with the D1X, shows that Nikon pixels seem to be somewhat different compared to others.

The D850 is an expensive second-hander, seeing as it was not that costly when new , there is one up for grabs with very low shutter count without a scratch on it, asking price is 1200 pounds,... for a brisk walk just the camera with a 55 f1.2 ,and for serious work perhaps with a motor added, could be interesting....but so far have I only looked at the flagships ,and the D6 is still my nr. 1 choice, and 1200 quid would be a large chunk from a 2hnd. D6 funding,..there is also the battery and charger to consider, as I have several mh-21 / mh-22 chargers and a heap off EN-EL4 batteries.. I am wondering if those could be converted to fit in a D6, by shortening an en-el 4 , does anyone know?

Does the D850 work well with AI-S lenses ?



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novicius wrote:
Thank you all for the replies, and since the D850 is mentioned,I have never held one,and thought it looks a bit " chubby " ,so I am rather surprised it being described as having good ergonomics.

I viewed the D850 as a bit of a suspect camera, remembering the highly praised sensor, which was never implemented in a flagship camera,...why not if it was so good ?.....but perhaps they did and called it something else, remembering the D1 sensor which is specified at 2.6 mpixel with it actually being a 10.4 mpixel .sensor,...and then the sensor technology implemented with the D1X, shows that Nikon pixels seem to be somewhat different compared to others.

The D850 is an expensive second-hander, seeing as it was not that costly when new , there is one up for grabs with very low shutter count without a scratch on it, asking price is 1200 pounds,... for a brisk walk just the camera with a 55 f1.2 ,and for serious work perhaps with a motor added, could be interesting....but so far have I only looked at the flagships ,and the D6 is still my nr. 1 choice, and 1200 quid would be a large chunk from a 2hnd. D6 funding,..there is also the battery and charger to consider, as I have several mh-21 / mh-22 chargers and a heap off EN-EL4 batteries.. I am wondering if those could be converted to fit in a D6, by shortening an en-el 4 , does anyone know?

Does the D850 work well with AI-S lenses ?

I was at WEX photo warehouse with the wife getting her a tripod when the D850 was being promoted by Nikon people in the store. I was still a working photog at that time and had no interest in changing cameras. After the wife chose her tripod I paid for it and looked for her, she was talking to a lady demonstrator about the D850. 

She called me over and said I ought to get one of these. Having said I wasn’t interested (rather dismissingly to my shame) the lady said have a look at it. 

With a big sigh I took it in my hand, turned it on, looked at the menus/ rear screen! Looked through the viewscreen, felt the dials and function button locations and gave it back to her…..under 5 mins examination….and said “I will have one of those”. She was stunned. 

I then brought her back to reality by saying “ BUT I need to talk to the sales staff about trading in my D3 first”.

I departed (always an important step when faced with considering spending money lol)went home and filled in the WEX on line trade in quotation estimate for my d3 and a couple of redundant lenses …on seeing the estimate I arranged collection of my equipment and the purchase of the D850.

Such was my impression of the D850.


I carry the camera in my hand not round my neck or shoulder. This may have a bearing on my assessment of its superior  ergonomics. I like all my fingers on the grip including the pinky to assure a firm hold. The D850 achieved this without an added (heavy) battery grip. It’s one of my beefs with mirrorless cameras….they make them too short to accommodate  all 3 gripping fingers. I have a small plate on the Sony to make this better for my carrying/holding.

 I had read all the technical specs for the D850 when it was first released so knew it would fulfill the functionality I required…..I just needed to hold it and check the button positions for any possible counter productive changes that might have been missed in the reviews.

I never had any AI-S lenses by the time I had the D850, so can’t say. All I would say is I believed it to have all the same functionality of the D3 with a bit of the speed and buffering performance trimmed off….which for my work at that time was acceptable.



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I agree the D850 is a super camera for normal very high-quality photography but autofocus not too good with long lenses and bird photography and is not good at all for video. I was with Eric using it with 500mm lens for a video with a wading bird walking quite slowly and it would not hold sharp focus.  Sony lock-on focus is 100% better and the major reason I changed.



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Graham Whistler wrote:
I agree the D850 is a super camera for normal very high-quality photography but autofocus not too good with long lenses and bird photography and is not good at all for video. I was with Eric using it with 500mm lens for a video with a wading bird walking quite slowly and it would not hold sharp focus.  Sony lock-on focus is 100% better and the major reason I changed.
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Graham Whistler wrote:
I agree the D850 is a super camera for normal very high-quality photography but autofocus not too good with long lenses and bird photography and is not good at all for video. I was with Eric using it with 500mm lens for a video with a wading bird walking quite slowly and it would not hold sharp focus.  Sony lock-on focus is 100% better and the major reason I changed.
I agree.
I traded my D850 for my Z9.
My D500 with 200-500 is very surefooted but it was still a challenge trying to get sharp images of bee eaters in flight but I only got a couple of chances as they fly through every year in Spain when they migrate to Europe from Africa.  I only had a chance to test over three years.
The Z9 is very good but I havent had a chance to test properly as I tend to use my Fujis most of the time and I dont really do much bird photography these days.
The Z7 is not as fast AF-wise as the Z9 but it is very nice to hold. The best is the Zf but it is not my landscape camera as it has 24MP.  I do like the 45MP for landscapes.

Video?  Is that what GenZ think are still pictures? 
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Thank You for the detailed responses regarding the D850, sounds like a camera that I could be interested in, as BIF photography is not my forte, indeed, the birds that are of interest to me have propellers or jet-engines, and it is such a shame they phased out the Harrier,which is a cute looking bird and there is something dangerous about it.

However, I will wait a bit longer and see if a D5 / D6 will show in the nearby future , the battery thing is important to me, having toted camera`s with different batteries / chargers around the globe was an experience I would not want to " enjoy " again.

Still wondering if an EN-EL 4 could be shortened to fit a D5 / D6 ....so that the ( dead ) batteries could be rebuild and I could use the chargers that I already have.



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@Novicius re... Still wondering if an EN-EL 4 could be shortened to fit a D5 / D6 ....so that the ( dead ) batteries could be rebuild and I could use the chargers that I already have.

I dont think that this would be a viable idea.


Better to get a dead battery EN-EL18c from the D5/D6 and recell it with the correct cells.  The D5/D6 will require 2500mAh (10.8V) battery whilst the EN-EL4 battery uses cells which are less powerful 2000mAh.



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Already having 2500 mah in both the D3X/s,..looking to mount 9800 mah in the old/dead batteries.( 3.7 volt li-ion cells in serie coupling totalling 11.1 volts ).

rebuilding an en-el 4 into en-el 18 batteri , 3.6 volt cells placed in serie could be used,totalling 10.8 volts.

Not sure of the physical dimensions en-el 4 vs. en-el 18 , but they look alike with the latter seeming to be a tad shorter.



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There is extra shielding around the battery contacts on the EN-EL18.



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jk wrote:
There is extra shielding around the battery contacts on the EN-EL18.
Thanks J K , and after having examined an en-el18 it shows it also is several mm higher, so there goes that plan.

There is also the matter of memory cards , that D6 is going to be an expensive adventure, and there is a D850 for sale including the big battery box,..but I am not sure.....



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