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Posted by novicius: Tue Jan 30th, 2024 17:07 1st Post
I have read that the F mount is soon to be out of production, can anyone confirm this ?



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Posted by jk: Tue Jan 30th, 2024 21:49 2nd Post
I think it is more than a rumour.
Nikon will inevitably move their development to the Z mount which means the glorious F mount will shrivel away.  I purchased a 105mm f1.4 AFS at a great price as it was a lens I always wanted.



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Posted by jk: Thu Feb 1st, 2024 11:35 3rd Post
Took me a while to find out where I had read the rumour but here is a screenshot from NikonRumors.com 


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Posted by Iain: Thu Feb 1st, 2024 14:19 4th Post
Such a shame as the F mount has been running for years and got a lot of people into Nikon because of the selection of lenses old and new.



Posted by novicius: Thu Feb 1st, 2024 14:22 5th Post
Thank You JK,   

and that 105 f1.4 is something that I want to have myself, still costly though, in another threat I asked about the infinity performance of the micro 105 f2.8,..never got that one, but obtained the 24-70 VR ,Lovely lens but not exactly what I was after , but  then obtained the 105 f2.0 DC , which among other capabilities has a Fabulous infinity....and yet, when an Affordable 105 f1.4 comes along ......



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Posted by jk: Thu Feb 1st, 2024 14:37 6th Post
novicius wrote:
Thank You JK,   

and that 105 f1.4 is something that I want to have myself, still costly though, in another threat I asked about the infinity performance of the micro 105 f2.8,..never got that one, but obtained the 24-70 VR ,Lovely lens but not exactly what I was after , but  then obtained the 105 f2.0 DC , which among other capabilities has a Fabulous infinity....and yet, when an Affordable 105 f1.4 comes along ......
Nikon made a lovely 105mm f1.8 Ai lens that I also have.  They can be found more cheaply and are fully manual focus.
The Nikon 105mm f2.8 AFS VR is very good but I prefer my older 105mm f2.8 AFD.



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Posted by Eric: Thu Feb 1st, 2024 17:15 7th Post
jk wrote:
Took me a while to find out where I had read the rumour but here is a screenshot from NikonRumors.com 


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I thought that was your collection Jonathan.;-)



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Thu Feb 1st, 2024 19:13 8th Post
Very sorry to hear that as a lot of people still using older Niikons and getting good results but are retired or just not able to upgrade to Z even if they wanted to. I am very pleased I sold all my Nikon equipment at a very good price at the right time and moved to Sony.



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Posted by novicius: Thu Feb 1st, 2024 22:45 9th Post
Optically , the 105 f2.0 DC is more than I could ask for,but it has no VR..well , neither has the 105 f1.4,so there..I think that VR is the Best invention since digital photography.

Sony vs. Nikon, you know, I have noticed a bunch of Z 2nd. handers for sale ...Zfc...Z7..for reasonable prices,and Z lenses, my gawd, even overhere there are about five 2nd. hand Z lenses up for grabs, ...incl. a 24-70 f4.0 and even a 400 f4.5 which would qualify as pro-glass, whats going on...is the Nikon Z perhaps somewhat disappointing then ?...why would a long time Nikon photog. go to Sony ?..look,f. ex. Fuji or Canon, would be somewhat understandable....I`m not getting this,....having said that,..I have noticed that the design team at Nikon seems to be on the " young" side,perhaps all technically astute, without the understanding of practical use of things, look at Nikon`s latest offering , the " Plena " , lots of fanfare there, but it is a 135mm f1.8 , coming in way after " like-offerings "  from the competition,and ,that it is a tad narrower and a smidgen less weighty with a bit more even rendition is not really a dealbraker is it, as it is not exactly a major break-through,but is considered by some more of a " me too " optic, ...where are the innovations ?..I am Baffled to say the least.



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Posted by novicius: Fri Feb 2nd, 2024 07:41 10th Post
I hope it is allright to link to a Test/Review of the " Plena " :

https://info.xitek.com/reviews/202310/26-365454_3.html#artPos

..in my opinion it does not do better than my Nikkor 135 f2.0 ai-s on the D3X , a lens which harkens all the way back from F3 days...well not that much compared to real day to day use anyway..



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Posted by Eric: Fri Feb 2nd, 2024 08:45 11th Post
novicius wrote:
Optically , the 105 f2.0 DC is more than I could ask for,but it has no VR..well , neither has the 105 f1.4,so there..I think that VR is the Best invention since digital photography.

Sony vs. Nikon, you know, I have noticed a bunch of Z 2nd. handers for sale ...Zfc...Z7..for reasonable prices,and Z lenses, my gawd, even overhere there are about five 2nd. hand Z lenses up for grabs, ...incl. a 24-70 f4.0 and even a 400 f4.5 which would qualify as pro-glass, whats going on...is the Nikon Z perhaps somewhat disappointing then ?...why would a long time Nikon photog. go to Sony ?..look,f. ex. Fuji or Canon, would be somewhat understandable....I`m not getting this,....having said that,..I have noticed that the design team at Nikon seems to be on the " young" side,perhaps all technically astute, without the understanding of practical use of things, look at Nikon`s latest offering , the " Plena " , lots of fanfare there, but it is a 135mm f1.8 , coming in way after " like-offerings "  from the competition,and ,that it is a tad narrower and a smidgen less weighty with a bit more even rendition is not really a dealbraker is it, as it is not exactly a major break-through,but is considered by some more of a " me too " optic, ...where are the innovations ?..I am Baffled to say the least.
I had the 105 f2.8 Micro AFS VR.  Nice lens though a bit chunky. 
However the VR for macro was a bit pointless because I was given to understand VR doesn’t work on subject distances closer than 2feet. At any rate the camera was often mounted on a tripod so VR had to be switched off.



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Posted by jk: Fri Feb 2nd, 2024 09:37 12th Post
I dont think there is much difference between the makes.  Sony A1 was a bit ahead when released but had few lenses, Nikon caught up with the Z9 and have steadily released replacement Z series lenses which are optically very good but no better than Canon/Sony/ Nikon F glass.   

Moving from F mount to Z mount seems to have little benefit apart from the removal of the FTZ adapter from the equation.  The new Z series lenses when you look at the physical design seem to be little more than a F lens with a built on FTZ adapter.  I guess some of this is driven by lens physics but with all the exotic lens glass mixes some physically smaller lenses would be great.   This has been achieved with the newer Z series telephotos and long zooms.  My Z series 100-400 lens is a smaller beast but still very heavy.

I think the way the technology is going the big advances will come with things like better electronics and global shutter to replace the current mechanical and electronic shutters. This will probably make the cameras a little lighter but no less bulky as extra battery power will be needed.



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Posted by Eric: Fri Feb 2nd, 2024 10:52 13th Post
jk wrote:
I dont think there is much difference between the makes.  Sony A1 was a bit ahead when released but had few lenses, Nikon caught up with the Z9 and have steadily released replacement Z series lenses which are optically very good but no better than Canon/Sony/ Nikon F glass.   

Moving from F mount to Z mount seems to have little benefit apart from the removal of the FTZ adapter from the equation.  The new Z series lenses when you look at the physical design seem to be little more than a F lens with a built on FTZ adapter.  I guess some of this is driven by lens physics but with all the exotic lens glass mixes some physically smaller lenses would be great.   This has been achieved with the newer Z series telephotos and long zooms.  My Z series 100-400 lens is a smaller beast but still very heavy.

I think the way the technology is going the big advances will come with things like better electronics and global shutter to replace the current mechanical and electronic shutters. This will probably make the cameras a little lighter but no less bulky as extra battery power will be needed.
No one seems to have fully embraced the notion of lightweight mirrorless systems, with the possible exception of Fuji.
What most manufacturers seem to be blind to is making cameras dimensionally smaller does little to make the cameras lighter, just more awkward in the hand. Coupled with existing lenses which were invariably heavy with prestige fast glass and full frame functionality, you get something that’s no lighter than mirrored systems but now more imbalanced in the hand. Lighter in the wallet but nowhere else!
Fuji lenses are some of the lightest I have come across and offer a more balanced coupling with their DX bodies.
Frankly I’ve been underwhelmed by the mirrorless revolution. 
While some have achieved some benefits most have just produced a different version of what we had.



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Posted by jk: Fri Feb 2nd, 2024 11:05 14th Post
Eric wrote:
No one seems to have fully embraced the notion of lightweight mirrorless systems, with the possible exception of Fuji.
What most manufacturers seem to be blind to is making cameras dimensionally smaller does little to make the cameras lighter, just more awkward in the hand. Coupled with existing lenses which were invariably heavy with prestige fast glass and full frame functionality, you get something that’s no lighter than mirrored systems but now more imbalanced in the hand. Lighter in the wallet but nowhere else!
Fuji lenses are some of the lightest I have come across and offer a more balanced coupling with their DX bodies.
Frankly I’ve been underwhelmed by the mirrorless revolution. 
While some have achieved some benefits most have just produced a different version of what we had.
The biggest advance in mirrorless is the ability to have WYSIWYG exposure (more or less) but it has taken a decade to retrieve the AF performance we had in cameras such as D3 and subsequent DSLRs.



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Posted by Eric: Fri Feb 2nd, 2024 12:45 15th Post
jk wrote:
The biggest advance in mirrorless is the ability to have WYSIWYG exposure (more or less) but it has taken a decade to retrieve the AF performance we had in cameras such as D3 and subsequent DSLRs. Yes there have no doubt been other benefits. It’s just a shame they didn’t promote those features in preference to lighter weight



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Posted by novicius: Sun Feb 4th, 2024 04:06 16th Post
I did not know that VR has a range where it works well, as it so happens , just these days have I been checking the 24-70 VR and the TAMRON 15-30 G2 , the latter having VR on-off only while the 24 - 70 has three positions ...Off-Normal-Active , and tried within a distance less than one mtr. the results were " unsharp " , on both the D3X and D3s , with the X being a bit better , but nothing to write home about,...tested against the 105 f2.0 DC and the Micro 105 f4.0 ai-s ,showing  Sharp results  , tested with shutter speeds of 1/8 ... 1/30 sec....was there something wrong with the camera`s , both of them ..?..I was close to being desperate .

so Eric, Thank You for pointing out that VR is having a limited range , out of wich it seems making matters Worse.( I have since " tested " the afore mentioned lenses on a longer distance and everything is pico-bello )

I wonder if Nikon would benefit from having an SLR made with the " Z " mount with an adapter so as to mount the " F " lenses, giving us the opportunity to slowly migrate to Better/Faster glass when the Missus permits, 

I understand that  Digital camera`s have to be focused Digitally so that sensor/flange distance can remain the same.

But perhaps our in-house Computer Wizard ( our Dearly beloved Chief Moderator ) could enlighten us.



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Posted by chrisbet: Sun Feb 4th, 2024 06:59 17th Post
There is a Z to F adapter already - Nikon FTZ 2

There is a good explanation of VR here - Nikon VR



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Posted by jk: Mon Feb 5th, 2024 11:03 18th Post
I have a copy of the original FTZ adapter that came with my Z7 but I find it annoying to use.  I was fortunate to be able to get a FTZ mkii adapter for a good price and this converts many of my F mount lens to be used on my Zf, Z9 or Z7.  
The difference between the original and the mkii version is that the original FTZ has a tripod mount screw foot which is missing on the new version.

NB: There are no optics in either of these adapters as they are merely a tube with linkage electronics so the camera and lens are electrically connected.   

The FTZ adapters are ONLY meant to be used with Nikon AFS series lenses, but all AF, AFD and AI lenses (that I have) work but only in manual focus mode.



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Posted by Iain: Mon Feb 5th, 2024 14:14 19th Post
Graham Whistler wrote:
Very sorry to hear that as a lot of people still using older Niikons and getting good results but are retired or just not able to upgrade to Z even if they wanted to. I am very pleased I sold all my Nikon equipment at a very good price at the right time and moved to Sony. You were the same as me Graham. I could see the writing on the wall for dslr’s so changed when the price was still strong for them.
Friends that still have DSLR are finding that value of them has dropped significantly.



Posted by novicius: Mon Feb 5th, 2024 14:35 20th Post
chrisbet wrote:
There is a Z to F adapter already - Nikon FTZ 2

There is a good explanation of VR here - Nikon VR
The " Z " camera`s are Not SLR`s .

I meant enlightening us about Digital Focusing.....I have a program to Re-Focus the photo but after it has been taken, yet have heard that digital camera´`s need to be focused digitally as well, seems to be the very reason why some lenses do not do so well on certain camera`s.

Some years ago we had a member, from Singapore I thought, who had focusing problems with a D800/810 and a 70-200 f2.8, in and out of Nikon service it went but the rig just did not want to play, yet, both lens and camera worked flawlessly with other lenses/camera`s.



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Posted by Eric: Tue Feb 6th, 2024 08:28 21st Post
novicius wrote:
The " Z " camera`s are Not SLR`s .

I meant enlightening us about Digital Focusing.....I have a program to Re-Focus the photo but after it has been taken, yet have heard that digital camera´`s need to be focused digitally as well, seems to be the very reason why some lenses do not do so well on certain camera`s.

Some years ago we had a member, from Singapore I thought, who had focusing problems with a D800/810 and a 70-200 f2.8, in and out of Nikon service it went but the rig just did not want to play, yet, both lens and camera worked flawlessly with other lenses/camera`s.
May not be the cause in that specific case but many zooms can have focus issues across the range (especially zooms over 3x). There’s a balancing act to get the performance equal across the zoom range other wise you have a lens pin sharp at wide end but soft at the tele end….or vice versa, depending which end has been optimised.



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Posted by novicius: Tue Feb 6th, 2024 13:06 22nd Post
Yes Eric, that is also part of the equation I reckon , now I have downloaded some profiles and put them in the camera`s, and some of them alter the performance , including that the photo is Always Soft !!..so I wonder how often it is the camera software that is at play/fault with the end result,and how to discover where ,and then how to correct, as I am no expert at software ,yes even NX-studio is at times still a mystery to me.



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Posted by Eric: Tue Feb 6th, 2024 14:04 23rd Post
novicius wrote:
Yes Eric, that is also part of the equation I reckon , now I have downloaded some profiles and put them in the camera`s, and some of them alter the performance , including that the photo is Always Soft !!..so I wonder how often it is the camera software that is at play/fault with the end result,and how to discover where ,and then how to correct, as I am no expert at software ,yes even NX-studio is at times still a mystery to me. A well known wildlife photographer in the UK uses Sigma lenses 600mm & 800mm primes.
The first thing he does on purchasing his lenses is send them to Sigma UK....to have them set up 'properly'. He maintains that all his Sigma lenses ex the factory are not focus optimised .......either because of their QC slackness or because the lighting in UK is less contrasty than Asia needing some lens tweaking. ??????
Having owned a Sigma 500mm I recognise the soft/low contrast he talks about. As to what they do with the lens at Sigma UK I do not know as I sold the lens and never bothered to find out.  It made me wonder if other lens suppliers are the same...setting lenses to an average, perhaps a bit like diesel engines needing to be remapped for optimum performance rather than accepting supplied settings.  Who knows????



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Posted by novicius: Tue Feb 6th, 2024 16:03 24th Post
Thank You for mentioning the wildlife photog and the squabbles he experienced.

I started this thread about my wondering about photogs migrating to the " Z " system,but then leaving it again,...but to where?

Granted,I do not know all the others,but it seems to me that there is no " better " alternative.

Nikon has always been able to implement real improvements that work,and being very consistent about it, whereas other makes come with something that at closer look are not that impressive, I remember when Olympus showed up with the M1 and the court case that ensued by Leica no less, what a circus that was, today Olympus has no pro-system that matches Nikon...and Minolta who was first with autofocus in a pro camera, ...gone !

The only true rival is Canon,but is their offering a better one then ?

Several members here have gone over to brands that do not have the same huge lens range that Nikon offers,and, some of their lenses are very expensive, so is this a case then of " I am not going to use what grandpa has " ?

I think it was Graham Whistler who showed some lovely photo`s taken in Africa with a Nikon rig,but has now a Sony, ..so why is that one better ?

Personally I stay with the SLR and have in recent years heavily invested in VR lenses as I rely heavily on Nikon`s famed reliability.



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Posted by Eric: Tue Feb 6th, 2024 22:39 25th Post
novicius wrote:
Thank You for mentioning the wildlife photog and the squabbles he experienced.

I started this thread about my wondering about photogs migrating to the " Z " system,but then leaving it again,...but to where?

Granted,I do not know all the others,but it seems to me that there is no " better " alternative.

Nikon has always been able to implement real improvements that work,and being very consistent about it, whereas other makes come with something that at closer look are not that impressive, I remember when Olympus showed up with the M1 and the court case that ensued by Leica no less, what a circus that was, today Olympus has no pro-system that matches Nikon...and Minolta who was first with autofocus in a pro camera, ...gone !

The only true rival is Canon,but is their offering a better one then ?

Several members here have gone over to brands that do not have the same huge lens range that Nikon offers,and, some of their lenses are very expensive, so is this a case then of " I am not going to use what grandpa has " ?

I think it was Graham Whistler who showed some lovely photo`s taken in Africa with a Nikon rig,but has now a Sony, ..so why is that one better ?

Personally I stay with the SLR and have in recent years heavily invested in VR lenses as I rely heavily on Nikon`s famed reliability.
Someone once said “the best camera is the one you have in your hand”.

It really depends on where and how a person uses their equipment. 

It also depends on how you define professional equipment. If you mean the most robust to withstand the rigours of daily use (or abuse) then I would probably agree with you. But if you mean professional quality images then I would argue that Olympus equipment, as demonstrated by Jeff’s wildlife images, are more than a match for Nikons.


ANY camera placed on a tripod and positioned close enough to the subject to fill the frame, will raise its game. Using a prime lens suitable for that framing will further improve the result, as will using lens hoods, filters and managing lighting.

It’s only when situations require a less rigid approach ( eg moving subjects, difficult terrain, distant subjects, poor lighting, remote locations ) that we may need to question the suitability of our equipment.

If I hadn’t become interested in bird photography I am convinced I would still be using my Nikon 850 and AFS lenses because to me, although I wanted lighter equipment, the mirrorless offerings like the Z system didn’t deliver sufficient improvement in that respect and actually introduced some irritating negatives.

There is no need to change one’s equipment provided it does what you need …..until it’s no longer serviceable or replaceable. At that point, we all face the decision of which way to go.



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Posted by Eric: Thu Feb 8th, 2024 14:27 26th Post
novicius wrote:

I think it was Graham Whistler who showed some lovely photo`s taken in Africa with a Nikon rig,but has now a Sony, ..so why is that one better ?

Personally I stay with the SLR and have in recent years heavily invested in VR lenses as I rely heavily on Nikon`s famed reliability.
Sorry missed that question…

The fact is at the time the A1 came out no one else was offering the speed and accuracy of focusing ( including its impressive bif eye lock on) that it could achieve …..plus a ‘black out free’ viewfinder.  

Nikon mirrorless Z cameras were unacceptable. So with bird photography in mind, both Graham and I switched to Sony.

But in the time honoured tradition, as soon as one manufacturer shows their hand, the others, who had been sitting on their own developments while milking the customers as much as possible with existing stock, suddenly had to release their future releases, sooner!  And so it goes on.


I am happy to stay with Sony for the time being! But if the time comes when I don’t feel as able to handle long lenses or indeed my interest in wildlife photography wanes, then I would again consider a change to something that better suited my needs. I am sure that I would not go back to Nikon as I feel that ‘boat has sailed’ and in all honesty for basic photography there never was a lot of difference in the results Sony and Nikon generated.


I could envisage switching to the truly lighter weight Fuji (D)X system if my photography required lenses no more than 24-100mm range.



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Posted by jk: Thu Feb 8th, 2024 17:09 27th Post
It is all a game of technical specification leapfrog.
Most makes of camera are as good as each other with maybe small differences that are niche/genre specific e.g. Birds, motorsport, astrophotography, etc.

I think choosing a camera is about how the ergonomics, size and weight suit you.
Then look at your needs and check if there are lenses that satisfy them.

I would be happy to have Canon, Sony, Nikon, Fuji, Pentax cameras as long as I can find ergonomics that suit me.



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Posted by Eric: Thu Feb 8th, 2024 19:13 28th Post
jk wrote:
It is all a game of technical specification leapfrog.
Most makes of camera are as good as each other with maybe small differences that are niche/genre specific e.g. Birds, motorsport, astrophotography, etc.

I think choosing a camera is about how the ergonomics, size and weight suit you.
Then look at your needs and check if there are lenses that satisfy them.

I would be happy to have Canon, Sony, Nikon, Fuji, Pentax cameras as long as I can find ergonomics that suit me.
Exactly. 
The first time I held a D850 I knew it was the most ergonomic body that Nikon had made…or that I had ever held.
It was the big compromise in changing to Sony.



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Fri Feb 9th, 2024 13:49 29th Post
Yes I miss the D850 the best camera Nikon has ever made and the super 500mm light-weight PF lens. I had no time for Z (I tried one for several weeks)  they got it very wrong so why not stay with the SLR lenses developed over many years? I have used Nikon since the 1960s so it was sad to sell all my Nikon kit but now have no regrets about going to Sony A1.



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Posted by Iain: Fri Feb 9th, 2024 20:12 30th Post
Like you two I tried z cameras when they came out and was very disappointed. I changed to Sony and have not been disappointed.
Would I go back to Nikon? I don’t think so with the cost involved and I don’t think even now that they are any better than the A1.



Posted by novicius: Sat Feb 10th, 2024 00:41 31st Post
Thank you all for the replies, and since the D850 is mentioned,I have never held one,and thought it looks a bit " chubby " ,so I am rather surprised it being described as having good ergonomics.

I viewed the D850 as a bit of a suspect camera, remembering the highly praised sensor, which was never implemented in a flagship camera,...why not if it was so good ?.....but perhaps they did and called it something else, remembering the D1 sensor which is specified at 2.6 mpixel with it actually being a 10.4 mpixel .sensor,...and then the sensor technology implemented with the D1X, shows that Nikon pixels seem to be somewhat different compared to others.

The D850 is an expensive second-hander, seeing as it was not that costly when new , there is one up for grabs with very low shutter count without a scratch on it, asking price is 1200 pounds,... for a brisk walk just the camera with a 55 f1.2 ,and for serious work perhaps with a motor added, could be interesting....but so far have I only looked at the flagships ,and the D6 is still my nr. 1 choice, and 1200 quid would be a large chunk from a 2hnd. D6 funding,..there is also the battery and charger to consider, as I have several mh-21 / mh-22 chargers and a heap off EN-EL4 batteries.. I am wondering if those could be converted to fit in a D6, by shortening an en-el 4 , does anyone know?

Does the D850 work well with AI-S lenses ?



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Posted by Eric: Sat Feb 10th, 2024 09:16 32nd Post
novicius wrote:
Thank you all for the replies, and since the D850 is mentioned,I have never held one,and thought it looks a bit " chubby " ,so I am rather surprised it being described as having good ergonomics.

I viewed the D850 as a bit of a suspect camera, remembering the highly praised sensor, which was never implemented in a flagship camera,...why not if it was so good ?.....but perhaps they did and called it something else, remembering the D1 sensor which is specified at 2.6 mpixel with it actually being a 10.4 mpixel .sensor,...and then the sensor technology implemented with the D1X, shows that Nikon pixels seem to be somewhat different compared to others.

The D850 is an expensive second-hander, seeing as it was not that costly when new , there is one up for grabs with very low shutter count without a scratch on it, asking price is 1200 pounds,... for a brisk walk just the camera with a 55 f1.2 ,and for serious work perhaps with a motor added, could be interesting....but so far have I only looked at the flagships ,and the D6 is still my nr. 1 choice, and 1200 quid would be a large chunk from a 2hnd. D6 funding,..there is also the battery and charger to consider, as I have several mh-21 / mh-22 chargers and a heap off EN-EL4 batteries.. I am wondering if those could be converted to fit in a D6, by shortening an en-el 4 , does anyone know?

Does the D850 work well with AI-S lenses ?
I was at WEX photo warehouse with the wife getting her a tripod when the D850 was being promoted by Nikon people in the store. I was still a working photog at that time and had no interest in changing cameras. After the wife chose her tripod I paid for it and looked for her, she was talking to a lady demonstrator about the D850. 

She called me over and said I ought to get one of these. Having said I wasn’t interested (rather dismissingly to my shame) the lady said have a look at it. 

With a big sigh I took it in my hand, turned it on, looked at the menus/ rear screen! Looked through the viewscreen, felt the dials and function button locations and gave it back to her…..under 5 mins examination….and said “I will have one of those”. She was stunned. 

I then brought her back to reality by saying “ BUT I need to talk to the sales staff about trading in my D3 first”.

I departed (always an important step when faced with considering spending money lol)went home and filled in the WEX on line trade in quotation estimate for my d3 and a couple of redundant lenses …on seeing the estimate I arranged collection of my equipment and the purchase of the D850.

Such was my impression of the D850.


I carry the camera in my hand not round my neck or shoulder. This may have a bearing on my assessment of its superior  ergonomics. I like all my fingers on the grip including the pinky to assure a firm hold. The D850 achieved this without an added (heavy) battery grip. It’s one of my beefs with mirrorless cameras….they make them too short to accommodate  all 3 gripping fingers. I have a small plate on the Sony to make this better for my carrying/holding.

 I had read all the technical specs for the D850 when it was first released so knew it would fulfill the functionality I required…..I just needed to hold it and check the button positions for any possible counter productive changes that might have been missed in the reviews.

I never had any AI-S lenses by the time I had the D850, so can’t say. All I would say is I believed it to have all the same functionality of the D3 with a bit of the speed and buffering performance trimmed off….which for my work at that time was acceptable.



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sat Feb 10th, 2024 10:12 33rd Post
I agree the D850 is a super camera for normal very high-quality photography but autofocus not too good with long lenses and bird photography and is not good at all for video. I was with Eric using it with 500mm lens for a video with a wading bird walking quite slowly and it would not hold sharp focus.  Sony lock-on focus is 100% better and the major reason I changed.



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Posted by Eric: Sat Feb 10th, 2024 10:16 34th Post
Graham Whistler wrote:
I agree the D850 is a super camera for normal very high-quality photography but autofocus not too good with long lenses and bird photography and is not good at all for video. I was with Eric using it with 500mm lens for a video with a wading bird walking quite slowly and it would not hold sharp focus.  Sony lock-on focus is 100% better and the major reason I changed. Horses for courses.



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Posted by jk: Sat Feb 10th, 2024 10:35 35th Post
Graham Whistler wrote:
I agree the D850 is a super camera for normal very high-quality photography but autofocus not too good with long lenses and bird photography and is not good at all for video. I was with Eric using it with 500mm lens for a video with a wading bird walking quite slowly and it would not hold sharp focus.  Sony lock-on focus is 100% better and the major reason I changed. I agree.
I traded my D850 for my Z9.
My D500 with 200-500 is very surefooted but it was still a challenge trying to get sharp images of bee eaters in flight but I only got a couple of chances as they fly through every year in Spain when they migrate to Europe from Africa.  I only had a chance to test over three years.
The Z9 is very good but I havent had a chance to test properly as I tend to use my Fujis most of the time and I dont really do much bird photography these days.
The Z7 is not as fast AF-wise as the Z9 but it is very nice to hold. The best is the Zf but it is not my landscape camera as it has 24MP.  I do like the 45MP for landscapes.

Video?  Is that what GenZ think are still pictures? 
:lol::lol::lol:



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Posted by novicius: Sun Feb 11th, 2024 00:30 36th Post
Thank You for the detailed responses regarding the D850, sounds like a camera that I could be interested in, as BIF photography is not my forte, indeed, the birds that are of interest to me have propellers or jet-engines, and it is such a shame they phased out the Harrier,which is a cute looking bird and there is something dangerous about it.

However, I will wait a bit longer and see if a D5 / D6 will show in the nearby future , the battery thing is important to me, having toted camera`s with different batteries / chargers around the globe was an experience I would not want to " enjoy " again.

Still wondering if an EN-EL 4 could be shortened to fit a D5 / D6 ....so that the ( dead ) batteries could be rebuild and I could use the chargers that I already have.



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Posted by jk: Sun Feb 11th, 2024 08:25 37th Post
@Novicius re... Still wondering if an EN-EL 4 could be shortened to fit a D5 / D6 ....so that the ( dead ) batteries could be rebuild and I could use the chargers that I already have.

I dont think that this would be a viable idea.


Better to get a dead battery EN-EL18c from the D5/D6 and recell it with the correct cells.  The D5/D6 will require 2500mAh (10.8V) battery whilst the EN-EL4 battery uses cells which are less powerful 2000mAh.



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Posted by novicius: Sun Feb 11th, 2024 21:55 38th Post
Already having 2500 mah in both the D3X/s,..looking to mount 9800 mah in the old/dead batteries.( 3.7 volt li-ion cells in serie coupling totalling 11.1 volts ).

rebuilding an en-el 4 into en-el 18 batteri , 3.6 volt cells placed in serie could be used,totalling 10.8 volts.

Not sure of the physical dimensions en-el 4 vs. en-el 18 , but they look alike with the latter seeming to be a tad shorter.



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Posted by jk: Mon Feb 12th, 2024 19:50 39th Post
There is extra shielding around the battery contacts on the EN-EL18.



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Posted by novicius: Mon Feb 12th, 2024 22:32 40th Post
jk wrote:
There is extra shielding around the battery contacts on the EN-EL18. Thanks J K , and after having examined an en-el18 it shows it also is several mm higher, so there goes that plan.

There is also the matter of memory cards , that D6 is going to be an expensive adventure, and there is a D850 for sale including the big battery box,..but I am not sure.....



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Posted by chrisbet: Tue Feb 13th, 2024 10:59 41st Post
Why not get a dummy battery and power the camera from an external power bank?



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