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Posted by Eric: Thu Feb 22nd, 2024 10:20 1st Post
Some of you may not be aware, but the wonderful AI and Generative Fill features that have been added this year don’t come unconditionally.

Each month you have a fixed number of Credits or clicks you can use. 

When they are used up at the moment the only penalty is Photoshop runs slower (not sure if that’s on all functionality or just the generative fills / AI??)  but it makes me wonder if Adobe will start metering out these new add on features in the same way as limited minutes/text on mobile phones, whereby if you go over your limit you start to pay more and expensively!  Something to watch.

Because I have been experimenting a lot with these new features it’s no surprise that I have already exhausted my credits this month. At the moment I am still able to use the features but need to monitor it carefully next month when Adobe set in place their new strategy for these features.

The sad thing about this is that I can understand them charging/limiting the AI part of the program as it’s using their stock images as well as the programming. But it also includes the generative fill which is a super slick alternative to manual cloning.  It means every time you lasso a picture defect or extend the canvas and hit generative one of your credits has gone!!!

Adobe are suggesting that if I want more credits than the 100 they are giving with the £10/month subscription, I can always change my plan = pay more /month!



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Posted by chrisbet: Thu Feb 22nd, 2024 10:27 2nd Post
Hmm - no such thing as a free lunch!



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Posted by Eric: Thu Feb 22nd, 2024 10:32 3rd Post
chrisbet wrote:
Hmm - no such thing as a free lunch! True …but it makes me wonder if ANY or EVERY new editing feature that is added to Photoshop v26/27 etc in the future, will be tagged as limited use as opposed to a modest monthly subscription increase with unlimited use?

I am not bothered about charging for AI because it’s something that I am unlikely to use much having now experimented with it, but the generative fill is and extremely useful slicker alternative to cloning out unwanted details. 

This could entail multiple applications on a single image which would restrict how much you could achieve each month.



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Posted by chrisbet: Thu Feb 22nd, 2024 10:42 4th Post
Photoshop subscription is not cheap to start with and I think they hope to not price themselves out of the market by just upping the subs - so charging per use for enhancements probably makes commercial sense.

Ebay are introducing a "new regulatory operating fee" of .35% on top of their selling fees - much the same sort of underhand method of getting more profit!



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Posted by Eric: Thu Feb 22nd, 2024 11:17 5th Post
chrisbet wrote:
Photoshop subscription is not cheap to start with and I think they hope to not price themselves out of the market by just upping the subs - so charging per use for enhancements probably makes commercial sense.

Ebay are introducing a "new regulatory operating fee" of .35% on top of their selling fees - much the same sort of underhand method of getting more profit!
Rarely use eBay these days. Losing 14% of the sale price from selling and payment charges not to mention low sale prices and postage have made it a no brainer for me when selling photo gear, I go to WEX. Their prices are usually good for A+ equipment (assuming they haven’t got several of your items on the shelf already) and they give the same price for cash deals as they do for PX. They collect for free so no postage.



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Posted by chrisbet: Thu Feb 22nd, 2024 11:23 6th Post
I have sold some stuff to MPB and got better net prices than Ebay. But sometimes the auction "frenzy" boosts prices beyond normal even after fees - I always list stuff when there is an 80% off fees deal going.



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Posted by Iain: Thu Feb 22nd, 2024 13:55 7th Post
I will have to check mine as I'm on the £10pm PS/LR package.



Posted by Iain: Thu Feb 22nd, 2024 14:00 8th Post
I've just checked mine and it looks as if I have no limit on it.



Posted by Eric: Thu Feb 22nd, 2024 14:15 9th Post
Iain wrote:
I've just checked mine and it looks as if I have no limit on it. Are you sure? I am on same subscription.



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Posted by novicius: Thu Feb 22nd, 2024 15:51 10th Post
Eric, Thank You for you posting your experiments with AI, as it shows it is Not for me.

I will happily stay with NX-Studio .



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Posted by Eric: Thu Feb 22nd, 2024 18:06 11th Post
novicius wrote:
Eric, Thank You for you posting your experiments with AI, as it shows it is Not for me.

I will happily stay with NX-Studio .
Whilst the background replacement feature is fun to play with, it's not going to take over my future photographs. 
However, I fully expect to do some simple tidying up with some images ( eg removing distracting details like branches, people or just debris in the frame). 
The generative fill feature which is an advance over manual cloning, is a very useful feature. It speeds up cloning no end!
So I am a little miffed that its restricted in its use, within the already expensive monthly Adobe Photography subscription.


I am also a bit confused as to why I only have 100 credits when Graham has 250 (the figure Adobe claim I should have on this same plan as Graham).
Something to pursue with Adobe.



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Posted by jk: Thu Feb 22nd, 2024 19:05 12th Post
Well you can use my Credits.
How do I find out how many I have?
Is it only on My Account?



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Posted by Eric: Thu Feb 22nd, 2024 20:40 13th Post
jk wrote:
Well you can use my Credits.
How do I find out how many I have?
Is it only on My Account?
The small icon  TOP RIGHT in Adobe account 

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Posted by Eric: Thu Feb 22nd, 2024 21:48 14th Post
Well I have the answer as to why I only have 100 credits compared to other people on the same monthly plan as me who get 250.


Timing........






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I will just have to do less tidying on my images.  :needsahug:



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Thu Feb 22nd, 2024 23:48 15th Post
Yes Eric I have just checked my Photoshop at 6.00pm today shows I have used very little this month  I have left 247 out of  250



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Fri Feb 23rd, 2024 17:32 16th Post
Double Rainbow in our little local park on my evening walk. iPhone and I did a little work with the AI erase tool and removed an ugly structure. Have also done some editing on another photo using AI tools and just checked my Credit count still is as per 247/250 yesterday count. Still plenty of this month's credits to work with.

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sat Feb 24th, 2024 19:30 17th Post
This evening walk in the park a bit later and catch the sunset after the rains. Sorry another iPhone Photo!

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Posted by jk: Mon Feb 26th, 2024 21:15 18th Post
I cant find the AI Credits on my Adobe account.
I have the £9.99/month for Lightroom and Photoshop.
What do you have Eric?



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Posted by Eric: Mon Feb 26th, 2024 22:08 19th Post
jk wrote:
I cant find the AI Credits on my Adobe account.
I have the £9.99/month for Lightroom and Photoshop.
What do you have Eric?
Hi Jonathan
I have the same £9.98 account.
Let me walk you through what I did……

I clicked on the multicoloured Adobe Cloud logo….




and got this page………



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I  clicked on the Manage account link top right and got this page……







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Then in the very top right corner there is a small version of the one eyed multicoloured logo, which I clicked on to get this drop down……



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As you can see I have only 100 credits / month (which reset on 25th my anniversary date) and I used 6 credits doing some generative filling on a friends photo yesterday. It was a simple edit and yet 6 credits went.:whip:



I only have 100 because I only started the Photoshop subscription on 25 Nov 2023. Had I done it a month earlier! I would have 250 each month…..for those who subscribed before 1st Nov. 2023

Not happy I missed the extra 150 by 24 days.:whip:



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Posted by novicius: Tue Feb 27th, 2024 00:45 20th Post
I am glad not to be an artist but a mere documentarist , and having NX-Studio is all I need,yet appreciate all the efforts being made here.



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Posted by jk: Tue Feb 27th, 2024 09:40 21st Post
Thanks Eric.
I have 250/250.  Wish I could send you some of my unused credits.



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Posted by Eric: Tue Feb 27th, 2024 10:00 22nd Post
jk wrote:
Thanks Eric.
I have 250/250.  Wish I could send you some of my unused credits.
I will subcontract my editing to you and Graham when I hit 0 :lol:



N.B.  Simply procedure for those who have limited credits…..:needsahug:

Mask ALL the areas in your photo that require generative fill at the same time.
Your image may look like a lot of marching ant patches but add them all to the selection.  
…..THEN select generative fill.

It doesn’t matter how many separate areas are masked around the image, it’s still regarded as just 1 fill = 1 credit.



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Posted by jk: Tue Feb 27th, 2024 12:43 23rd Post
Eric wrote:
I will subcontract my editing to you and Graham when I hit 0 :lol:



N.B.  Simply procedure for those who have limited credits…..:needsahug:

Mask ALL the areas in your photo that require generative fill at the same time.
Your image may look like a lot of marching ant patches but add them all to the selection.  
…..THEN select generative fill.

It doesn’t matter how many separate areas are masked around the image, it’s still regarded as just 1 fill = 1 credit.
Well I think Graham is probably more expert than me so I can be fall back operator!!



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