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| Posted by jk: Tue Nov 20th, 2012 02:45 | 1st Post |
| If you are a Nikon software user and use Windows then read below. Windows 8 Compatibility Announcement We plan to test Windows versions of the following software applications for compatibility with Windows 8. We will announce our plans regarding full compatibility once testing is complete. - ViewNX 2 - Capture NX 2 - Camera Control Pro 2 - Short Movie Creator - Nikon Message Center 2 - Wireless Transmitter Utility - Thumbnail Selector - NEF codec - NRW codec - PC-PJ Transfer - nik Color Efex Pro 3.0 - IPTC Preset Manager - GP-N100 Utility We do not intend to provide compatibility with the following applications. - Capture NX Ver. 1.x - Camera Control Pro Ver. 1.x - Nikon Capture series - ViewNX Ver. 1.x - Nikon Transfer Ver. 1.x - PictureProject - Nikon View series - Nikon Scan series - PictureProject COOLPIX Remote Control - WT-3 Setup Utility - Wireless Camera Setup Utility - Wireless Connecting Utility - nik Color Efex Pro 2.0 - my Picturetown Utility - USB driver for GP-1 - Image Authentication Software We also do not plan to provide compatibility for other software, or for products utilizing a SCSI or serial connection. https://nikoneurope-en.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/54575 So if you are intending to upgrade or buy a new computer check the above list. Also remember that you may need to upgrade the version of software you are using to obtain compatibility with Windows8.
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| Posted by Robert: Tue Nov 20th, 2012 03:04 | 2nd Post |
| I find it remarkable that Nikon act retrospectively with their software. As a developer they will have had access to W8 since it's beta release, long before public release, maybe a year before? How come they suddenly wake up and weeks after the release of W8 make a statement like that? I thought they had dropped support for SCSI years ago? Nik 2 plugins don't work with my Mac OS and haven't for some considerable time. The software compatibility transition should be seamless, not an afterthought.
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| Posted by Eric: Tue Nov 20th, 2012 05:36 | 3rd Post |
Robert wrote: I find it remarkable that Nikon act retrospectively with their software.I must be reading that differently. I see this as Nikon taking the opportunity to 'retire' some of their earlier software versions by default. Computing (PC and MAC) is full of non backward compatilbility. Why should nikon be the only ones to continue support for all its old software?
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| Posted by jk: Tue Nov 20th, 2012 05:47 | 4th Post |
| A lot of these issues are around 32 and 64bit computing. We are in the transition phase between the old 32bit world and the new 64bit computing softwares. The hardware has been 64bit able for about 5+ years. Inevitably old versions need to be retired.
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| Posted by Robert: Tue Nov 20th, 2012 07:01 | 5th Post |
Eric wrote:Robert wrote:I find it remarkable that Nikon act retrospectively with their software.I must be reading that differently. I wasn't suggesting Nikon should continue to support legacy software, or hardware, quite the contrary. More that their reaction shouldn't be of the knee-jerk kind, these things should happen behind the scenes during the beta stage in my opinion and ready to roll out a day or two after the new OS. While I know from bitter experience the short lifespan of hardware and software, it can be very vexing but I wouldn't like to be stuck in a time warp. The digital world is evolving fast and smaller faster computers and cameras are continually being released, each generation trouncing the predecessor.
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| Posted by jk: Tue Nov 20th, 2012 08:21 | 6th Post |
| Well I am still very happy sitting on my Mac with Snow Leopard. I cant see any huge benefits from Lion and Mountain Lion except for some nice features like AirDrop. Whilst I love the idea that legacy is supported it really is impractical and I know I will need to move to Lion soon as I am experiencing some issues with software that is only designed to run on Lion and Mountain Lion
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| Posted by Eric: Tue Nov 20th, 2012 11:00 | 7th Post |
Robert wrote:Eric wrote: Ok...agreed, they should have done the testing some time ago. I don't buy into the need for change that the technology world around us would have us believe is a necessity. I still use a D3 and CS3 for editing. My work neither suffers from nor reflects stone age methods. Having just added solid state drives to my PC it is once again faster than me....still running on XP by the way! 
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| Posted by Peter_LO: Tue Nov 20th, 2012 11:07 | 8th Post |
jk wrote:
Ha, now I know why Nikon doesn't accept scans in its photo-contest.
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| Posted by Bob Bowen: Tue Nov 20th, 2012 11:11 | 9th Post |
| I'm with you JK. Wish I had stuck to Snow Leopard. Very little to be gained from Mountain Lion\Lion apart from Airdrop and even then you need a pretty new computer. Only my Mac Mini bought in Jan this year would support. Finding all sort of things that don't work anymore e.g. Photoshop CS and Fotostation 6 which was a mainstay in my archive. Have CS3 which works with glitches so having to look at CS6. Thinking hard and going back and doing a clean install from my Leopard disks.
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| Posted by Bob Bowen: Tue Nov 20th, 2012 11:17 | 10th Post |
Just trying to install trial for CS6 and Adobe update driving me scatty with freezes and patches required. Thay have lost the plot
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| Posted by jk: Tue Nov 20th, 2012 11:28 | 11th Post |
Bob Bowen wrote: Just trying to install trial for CS6 and Adobe update driving me scatty with freezes and patches required. Thay have lost the plot If you havent sorted it soon then I can come up to Bristol and give you help when I am next in UK. However that is not until next February/March probably. Or we can try and do it over Skype or the like.
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| Posted by Bob Bowen: Wed Nov 21st, 2012 05:18 | 12th Post |
| Thanks for the offer JK. I may Skype you if I can't sort. What used to be a simple download for a trial now seems to mean jumping through hoops so that Adobe or whoever can keep track on things. Using LR4 mainly now but Elements 11 at £49 on Amazon today may be enough for me rather than full blown CS6.
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| Posted by jk: Wed Nov 21st, 2012 11:56 | 13th Post |
| Bob, see my profile for my Skype details or PM me.
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| Posted by Eric: Wed Nov 21st, 2012 13:33 | 14th Post |
Bob Bowen wrote: Thanks for the offer JK. I may Skype you if I can't sort. What used to be a simple download for a trial now seems to mean jumping through hoops so that Adobe or whoever can keep track on things. Using LR4 mainly now but Elements 11 at £49 on Amazon today may be enough for me rather than full blown CS6. Not sure, but you might get a bit of frustration going to Elements after CS. You get used to a level of 'unnoticed' performance that isnt there in Elements. IMHO
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| Posted by jk: Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 03:02 | 15th Post |
| Tried to load PSE11 on my old Mac Mini running Leopard (10.5.9). Does not install. I will try on a machine with Snow Leopard (10.6.8) later today. I hope that it doesnt require me to have Lion or Mountain Lion to install.
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| Posted by Bob Bowen: Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 06:08 | 16th Post |
| JK Elements 11 needs 10.6 onwards with intel 64bit dual core. So you need Snow Leopard.
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| Posted by Bob Bowen: Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 06:17 | 17th Post |
| Take your point Eric hidden touches make a difference. Tried Elements 10 on my second Mac just to avoid having to activate/deactivate with Adobe when CS stopped working on OS10.7 upgrade. Interface quite different but it did things that CS3 would not do like read my old (pre 2004 caption info). Will look at Elements 11 and mull over wether I need CS6 upgrade in what is rapidly becoming retired mode.
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| Posted by TomOC: Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 09:47 | 18th Post |
jk wrote:Well I am still very happy sitting on my Mac with Snow Leopard. JK- The Lion and Mtn Lion upgrades were extremely painless and only $19, so there is little reason not to get them IMHO Tom
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| Posted by TomOC: Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 09:49 | 19th Post |
| JK- Just realized you said Leopard ! If you hurry, I think Apple will still give you a free copy of Snow Leopard that will be necessary to be able to upgrade to Mountain Lion (Lion and later are only available in the new Apple App Store). You DEFINITELY should at least get SL - this is the lightest cleanest OS ever  Tom
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| Posted by Bob Bowen: Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 10:09 | 20th Post |
| Reflecting on Lion upgrades I agree with TomOC Snow Leopard was last non gimmicky OS. Spaces gave one clear working areas to switch between apps (oops there's a Liony term) and a very slick OS.
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| Posted by Robert: Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 13:43 | 21st Post |
| How come on this forum almost every topic about Windows swings to posts about Mac? But... Since we are now discussing the Mac OS... Tom, I read almost word for word what you have just asserted about Snow Leopard since long before OSX, going back to the early OS's many people assert that the previous but one or two OS was the perfect OS for them. Then we move on and eventually they are forgotten in the mysts of time. What you know IS often the best at the time, but hardware moves on and the OS has to evolve with the hardware. Personally I love the ease of use of the current OS and I am holding my breath for 10.8.3 which I will have very soon (24th?). Most of the dislike for up to date OS's relates to compatibility with existing software. Very understandable but that is really at the door of the software developers, they have access to the Beta versions well in advance and have a direct line to Apple and Microsoft, they have no real excuse for not keeping abreast of the OS's. How long have WE known about W8? Nikon and Adobe must have known long before we did and even if they didn't I can be pretty sure W9 will follow W8 so If I were a software dev I would be gearing up for W9 NOW not W8. The software dev's need to be proactive, NOT retrospective. The OS cycles are very predictable.
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| Posted by TomOC: Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 13:52 | 22nd Post |
| Bob- Even though SL was great, Mtn Lion has made Lion feel "normal" and really does have a ton more in it. I'm not one to upgrade day one with new OS's but once it's been bug fixed, there is really no reason not to - eventually you more or less have to, so why not get in the river and learn to swim
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| Posted by TomOC: Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 14:04 | 23rd Post |
| JK- Looks like you missed the window for a free SL copy - Apple has put it back in the Apple Store for $19 - you need SL to get the app store to get the Mtn Lion from the app store :>((( So now it's a $38 upgrade for you....
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| Posted by Eric: Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 16:27 | 24th Post |
Robert wrote:How come on this forum almost every topic about Windows swings to posts about Mac? OCD
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| Posted by Robert: Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 17:25 | 25th Post |
| I had to look it up... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessive–compulsive_disorder Quote: "Despite the irrational behaviour, OCD is sometimes associated with above-average intelligence.' That's OK then! 
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| Posted by TomOC: Fri Nov 23rd, 2012 03:18 | 26th Post |
| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rwsuXHA7RA
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| Posted by Robert: Fri Nov 23rd, 2012 11:05 | 27th Post |
| Thank you Tom, very good.
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| Posted by Eric: Fri Nov 23rd, 2012 11:37 | 28th Post |
Robert wrote:I had to look it up... 'Sometimes' is the operative work. 
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| Posted by Robert: Fri Nov 23rd, 2012 13:16 | 29th Post |
Eric wrote:Robert wrote: This operative doesn't work very often!!!
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| Posted by jk: Fri Nov 23rd, 2012 16:04 | 30th Post |
TomOC wrote:JK- No Tom I have Snow Leopard as my main install OS but I also have machines with Leopard, Lion and Mountain Lion on other machines. The reason why I have SL as my primary OS is that it gives me all I need and I dont have to hunt where stuff is as they put extra security on to stop the 'stupid users' from breaking their machines. My view is that if somebody wants to hack and break their Apple machine then they deserve to not be able to use it. And to have to pay to get it fixed. If a Windows user does the same then they get the pain of a rebuild from scratch. My rationale is simple in that Apple stuff is so much easier and more user friendly that if you have broken it then you deserve what you got. Windows stuff is so much more likely to break that I do feel sorry for people when it breaks.
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| Posted by Eric: Fri Nov 23rd, 2012 16:36 | 31st Post |
Robert wrote:Eric wrote:Bl**dy Apple predictive text.
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| Posted by Robert: Sat Nov 24th, 2012 03:20 | 32nd Post |
| It's a total pain in the bum, Tom told me it improves the more I use it but I am not convinced, I can see it making elementary mistakes all the time. If I misspell a word (usually with a typo) it comes up with a totally inappropriate word instead of the one I intended, in many cases changing several letters early in the word. On a couple of occasions it has put in a word which has completely changed the sense of the sentence. Making it essential to proof read almost everything. I am coming to the conclusion that for the tiny gain from the rare words it get's right the costs in time and embarrassment and possible offended readers really isn't worth it. Especially with a computer, maybe with an eyepad where typing is not so easy, and backspacing to edit isn't possible? it may have some advantage... It has potential but it needs to be context aware and be better aware of typo combinations, adjacent keys, a-s, f-g and w-e are my worst, all left hand keys if you notice... I may well turn it off, VERY soon! 
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| Posted by Eric: Sat Nov 24th, 2012 05:02 | 33rd Post |
Robert wrote:It's a total pain in the bum, Tom told me it improves the more I use it but I am not convinced, I can see it making elementary mistakes all the time. You can edit and backspace, it's the basic delete that's missing in the default software. However, there is an app that gives you back the delete key and all the normal keyboard functions. The only pain is that after typing in it, you may have to block copy your work to the app where you wanted the text in the first place.
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| Posted by TomOC: Sat Nov 24th, 2012 11:33 | 34th Post |
| Are you guys talking about Mac or iPad? If Mac, take a look at Text Expander with tidbits - greatest ever !!!
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| Posted by Eric: Sat Nov 24th, 2012 12:50 | 35th Post |
TomOC wrote:Are you guys talking about Mac or iPad? iPad, Tom.
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| Posted by TomOC: Sat Nov 24th, 2012 23:39 | 36th Post |
| Eric- I don't remember the exact number (either 3 or 5) times that you click the x to NOT accept the suggested correction and it will no longer be a problem - or so it should be. There are a number of complaints in the Apple forum stating that it is not so I've had no real problem and love it (except for "its" and "it's"). It sounds to me like most of the problems were caused by NOT taking the trouble to cancel the suggestions and then IOS learns them even though you didn't really want them to be learned. Fortunately, there is hope...a second chance at happiness and warm fuzzies for autocorrect: just reset your autocorrect file: Settings> General> Reset> Reset Keyboard Dictionary and you are back to day 1 again. Alternately, if you really do hate it, you can turn it off : Settings> General> Keyboard> AutoCorrection I could possibly live without it on my iPad but never on my iphone, but that's what makes a horserace, no?
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| Posted by Eric: Sun Nov 25th, 2012 15:35 | 37th Post |
TomOC wrote:Eric- Doesn't bother me Tom... Just joshing with Robert. The real answer is to read what you or the computer have written, before hitting POST.
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| Posted by jk: Sun Nov 25th, 2012 15:44 | 38th Post |
Eric wrote:TomOC wrote: Turn it off in Settings.
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| Posted by Doug: Sun Nov 25th, 2012 19:11 | 39th Post |
Eric wrote:
Exactly - if you type 'word' correctly it does not get auto corrected if you type incorrectly and tap the 'x' it does not remember the misspelling if a correction pops up in the middle of a word keep typing Used properly it saves a lot of time I think another big problem is hesitation and mistrust of the system (I do hands on with a lot of people and these users are the ones who have the most trouble) Here are some example of iOS autocorrect working based on typing 'wor' correctly then mistyping the last letter if you type wore then it does not autocorrect (perhaps later after you have taught iOS that wore is not a word - see note below) worr, worf, worx, worz, wors, worg all become word worc becomes worcester worv, worb, worh become worn worj, woro, worl become work Note: I deliberately typed worw which iOS tried to correct to word I deliberately typed worw again which iOS again tried to correct to word I deliberately typed worw again and iOS did not and never again will attempt to auto correct I can fix this by resetting my spelling dictionary - you can work out how for yourself, this is iOS - not rocket surgery If I just want iOS to forget the word worj then I must make iOS try to auto correct TO worj and tap the x then repeat I did this by typing worq, tapping x, typing worq, tapping x again and now typing worw now autocorrects properly again Note 2: Sometimes typing worw autocorrects to different words (eg wore) This is because iOS uses pattern recognition to calculate intent and increase the target size of some letters based on where your fingers tapped and in which direction for previously typed characters
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| Posted by Robert: Mon Nov 26th, 2012 03:19 | 40th Post |
Doug wrote:Eric wrote: Eric is right, of course! However... Proof reading your own text is not the best way to tind errors, after all you KNOW what you typed and tend not to 'see' errors. The spell check finds spelling errors as a rule. Little red dits under the word, excellent. It can't find words which are correctly spelt bit out of context. If some logic were applied that has to be possible. Being pretty deaf I do it all the time, during a conversation I assemble the words I do hear and understand, put them into context of the conversation and fill in the gaps. Where this does not work is with numbers and names I don't know. Otherwise I can hold a reasonable conversation by only hearing (and understanding) half of what the other person is saying. All this presupposes that you look at the screen while you type? I am far too busy trying to find the keys for the letters I think I want to use, I glance at the screen every half dozen words or so to see what I have, going back and correcting the occasional word with the little red dots under them, IF I agree they are wrongly spelt. So, I sometimes never know the auto replace 'feature' has done it's little deeds. Learn touch typing I hear you scream! No way, I have no wish to become a touch typist, in fact I find the idea, well let's not go there... My brain, if it's wired at all, is not wired for typing. Making things, yes, repairing things, yes but repetitive automation definitely NOT. So my stance is that the auto completion idea is on the right lines but has some way to go. I have read that Siri uses some form of logic which may improve the auto completion feature, if so, it needs implementing in the auto completion feature. In the mean time I am torn between turning it off to stop it putting silly words in my text and being a Luddite and turning it off. I think for iPad users it's a different situation because they are already looking at the screen, even if they like me have to hunt for the right keys. This is a good example of what I don't like about autocomplete, HOW does it come up with THIS!!! Why did it not simply flag it as wrongly spelt luddite??? Attachment: Screen Shot 2012-11-26 at 08.09.27.jpg (Downloaded 9 times)
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