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Posted by Robert: Mon Apr 30th, 2012 03:46

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I wrote this as a post in Grahams USA Arizona thread, then realised it may take the thread off topic, so I created a new thread.

I think JK raises a very important issue here.

http://nikondslr.uk/view_topic.php?id=76&forum_id=2&jump_to=1173#p1173

Most of us here know Graham is a hugely accomplished and skilled photographer. In some ways constantly remarking on that seems to me to be inappropriate. Similarly we have some raw beginners here who will with time make very competent photographers.

The images Graham has posted here are testament to his skill. The D800 did the job but I am convinced that no matter what camera Graham used he would have created wonderful images. Despite the D800 playing up, Graham overcame it and still produced beautiful and well exposed images. He realised the camera was being fooled by the scene so he compensated.

I feel very wary of commenting on others skills and issues I see in images, mine are far from perfect. On other forums I have seen unsolicited criticism which had put members right off posting images there.

The old adage if you can't say something nice, better not to say anything. On the other hand, we all need to learn.

Perhaps if any of us are unsure about an image or image's, better to ask for comments, that way you will no doubt get a range of comments but at least you asked for them!

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Posted by Eric: Mon Apr 30th, 2012 05:43

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Robert wrote: I wrote this as a post in Grahams USA Arizona thread, then realised it may take the thread off topic, so I created a new thread.

I think JK raises a very important issue here.

http://nikondslr.uk/view_topic.php?id=76&forum_id=2&jump_to=1173#p1173

Most of us here know Graham is a hugely accomplished and skilled photographer. In some ways constantly remarking on that seems to me to be inappropriate. Similarly we have some raw beginners here who will with time make very competent photographers.

The images Graham has posted here are testament to his skill. The D800 did the job but I am convinced that no matter what camera Graham used he would have created wonderful images. Despite the D800 playing up, Graham overcame it and still produced beautiful and well exposed images. He realised the camera was being fooled by the scene so he compensated.

I feel very wary of commenting on others skills and issues I see in images, mine are far from perfect. On other forums I have seen unsolicited criticism which had put members right off posting images there.

The old adage if you can't say something nice, better not to say anything. On the other hand, we all need to learn.

Perhaps if any of us are unsure about an image or image's, better to ask for comments, that way you will no doubt get a range of comments but at least you asked for them! I thought, maybe mistaken, that we had agreed that images were not going to be posted IN threads unless the poster required assistance with the image or was trying to draw attention to a specific point?

Perhaps we should have that point clarified?

I always found Rob Moser's method most appropriate when showcasing a batch of images... he posted them in his gallery and then placed a link in a thread saying 'XXX airshow images available here".

It kept the threads short, less likely to wander off or generate unsolicited critique and yet remained functional.

Having said that, I am keen to know how well the D800 perfoms casually out 'on vacation' as its the worst case scenario and one I would want it to handle.

Seeing Grahams images has been most rewarding and reassuring. My only concern is how much is the camera's performance and how much is Graham's skill and talent?

;-)

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Posted by KenRay: Mon Apr 30th, 2012 13:55

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Being a very poor digital photographer I was attracted to this forum simply BECAUSE of the seeming (to me) preponderance of Professionals. I think anyone who chooses to display an image is tacitly asking for opinion/criticism. As to whether images should be posted in threads has to be a personal opinion unless there is some technical reason for not doing so that I am unaware of (and for me that wouldn't be a stretch as I have little real understanding of the internet). I for one personally enjoy seeing images in the thread rather than having to look elsewhere for them. Just one old mans opinion and it is just that an opinion.

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Posted by Eric: Mon Apr 30th, 2012 15:35

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KenRay wrote:
Being a very poor digital photographer I was attracted to this forum simply BECAUSE of the seeming (to me) preponderance of Professionals. I think anyone who chooses to display an image is tacitly asking for opinion/criticism. As to whether images should be posted in threads has to be a personal opinion unless there is some technical reason for not doing so that I am unaware of (and for me that wouldn't be a stretch as I have little real understanding of the internet). I for one personally enjoy seeing images in the thread rather than having to look elsewhere for them. Just one old mans opinion and it is just that an opinion.
Fair comment Ken.

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Posted by jk: Tue May 1st, 2012 03:29

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There are many ways of looking at this.

Part1. If you want to show your work then putting them in your gallery works well. Then placing a link from a thread to the gallery image provides that images as a 'linked' image and in fact 'costs' nothing. The image is visible in both gallery and thread.

Part2. Putting the image in the thread as an attached image and in your gallery as well is wasteful and if everyone did this then it means that we will have to purchase more space on the server (higher hosting cost) or delete/purge images every so often from the server.

Part3. I actually like to see images in threads especially to illustrate a technique or point. As an example of good use of this then see here. Great images used to demonstrate the use of a ND filter. http://www.fujix-forum.com/index.php?/topic/4506-tales-from-topographic-oceans/page__gopid__47721#entry47721
I do wish I had taken these photos!

Part4. Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obeyance by fools and idiots! N.B. This saying does not sit well with lawyers and law enforcement officers as they prefer binary but we all know life is full of shades of grey!

Part5. One man's pleasure is another man's poison! So it is a difficult one to define appropriate but ....... There is a difference between doing something occasionally and doing it routinely.

:seesaw:

My two cents!

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