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Posted by Graham Whistler: Mon Jan 15th, 2024 22:17 1st Post
Nuthatch with AI much-improved background. Sony A1 with 200-600mm Lens and x1.4  4000 ISO

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Posted by Eric: Tue Jan 16th, 2024 11:42 2nd Post
Graham Whistler wrote:
Nuthatch with AI much-improved background. Sony A1 with 600-200mm Lens and x1.4  4000 ISO

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That's a wonderful image, Graham, however adjusted. Did you drop the masked area on a layer above the ai layer to see what the edge effect has been?

ANORAK ALERT :  is the black fleck on the birds white chest a mark on the birds plumage or an AI artefact?  the only reason I ask is I find the AI can make strange 'additions' in the blending area across the mask.

Not that it matters in this instance apart from holding AI to account when it comes to additions within the objects boundary.



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Tue Jan 16th, 2024 16:40 3rd Post
This is the file almost as shot with no AI work at this stage. The finished image was created mostly with the expanding AI crop tool and did not take very long.

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Posted by chrisbet: Wed Jan 17th, 2024 14:46 4th Post
New thread for the new year.



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Posted by Iain: Thu Jan 18th, 2024 10:45 5th Post
A couple to start us off.


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Posted by Eric: Thu Jan 18th, 2024 13:05 6th Post
Well done Iain. I do love Kestrels, but never been in a position to photograph one. 

Although Jan took a video of one ripping apart a blackbird at bottom of the garden a couple of years back, when I wasn’t home. :banghead:



The poor blackbird at least ‘went’ on a full stomach as he was happily pecking on the fat ball on the lawn when the Kestrel dropped in for lunch.



I did wonder if the Kestrel was thinking “ This is very fatty bird”. :lol:



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Posted by Iain: Thu Jan 18th, 2024 15:25 7th Post
That is a good meal for a Kestrel.



Posted by Eric: Thu Jan 18th, 2024 16:51 8th Post
Iain wrote:
That is a good meal for a Kestrel. He certainly didn’t hang around for a pudding! :lol:

When I came home there was nothing left apart from a few feathers, but I suspect a crow probably took the rest of the carcass after the Kestrel had enough.



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Posted by Iain: Thu Jan 25th, 2024 10:47 9th Post
A few from this week.

Male Siskin

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Tree Creeper

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And Red Wing.


_A019922 by Iain Clyne, on Flickr



Posted by Eric: Thu Jan 25th, 2024 19:26 10th Post
Nice Redwing there Iain. Haven’t seen one around here for 5 years. 
We need really cold, snow covered weather to bring them into our area.  

Going back to the winter of 1984/5 we had a deep snow covering in garden for a long period. Our cats were bringing in Redwings every day because they wouldn’t/couldn’t eat the food we were putting out and were just keeling over. The field fares were happy with apples but redwings wouldnt touch it.They were also reticent to come nearer the house where the food was. Silly birds…but very similar in tempremant to song thrushes.



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Fri Jan 26th, 2024 10:46 11th Post
Looks as if you had some sun Ian like the Tree Creeper love to see one down here.



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Posted by Iain: Fri Jan 26th, 2024 20:49 12th Post
Yes Graham it was a nice day for a change.



Posted by Eric: Sun Jan 28th, 2024 18:22 13th Post
Today was Jans birthday. As we sat having breakfast, and I prepared to do the RSPB 1hour birdwatch, we were surprised with an infrequent visitor ....a Goldcrest. It didn't stay long and anyway I had a mouthful of porridge to contend with but when we went into the lounge we were stunned to see a first for our garden...Redlegged Partridge....or two of them to be precise. They wandered around the garden for the full hour of the birdwatch and even ventured onto our patio pots. They stayed all day and weren't put off by my getting the car in and out....just running a short distance for cover....then reemerging.

A lovely birthday gift. the only annoying point was the RSPB survey didn't allow Redlegged partridge to be added to my tally.:whip:





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Footnote....they were actually running wild in a field....I added my garden for better effect using AI :lol::lol:

Only joking;-)



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Posted by Iain: Sun Jan 28th, 2024 20:28 14th Post
Eric wrote:
Today was Jans birthday. As we sat having breakfast, and I prepared to do the RSPB 1hour birdwatch, we were surprised with an infrequent visitor ....a Goldcrest. It didn't stay long and anyway I had a mouthful of porridge to contend with but when we went into the lounge we were stunned to see a first for our garden...Redlegged Partridge....or two of them to be precise. They wandered around the garden for the full hour of the birdwatch and even ventured onto our patio pots. They stayed all day and weren't put off by my getting the car in and out....just running a short distance for cover....then reemerging.

A lovely birthday gift. the only annoying point was the RSPB survey didn't allow Redlegged partridge to be added to my tally.:whip:





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Footnote....they were actually running wild in a field....I added my garden for better effect using AI :lol::lol:

Only joking;-)
But are you! Nice to see them in the garden, we only see them on the moors here.



Posted by Eric: Sun Jan 28th, 2024 22:47 15th Post
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But are you! Nice to see them in the garden, we only see them on the moors here. Yes, genuine. This was the birds first encounter with a fat ball the Jackdaws had been feeding on…..


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OH….I also took some video of them around the garden and I don’t have video AI software, yet.;-)



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Posted by Iain: Thu Feb 1st, 2024 09:19 16th Post
Brambling from yesterday.


_A100657-Edit by Iain Clyne, on Flickr



Posted by Eric: Thu Feb 1st, 2024 16:44 17th Post
Iain wrote:
Brambling from yesterday.


_A100657-Edit by Iain Clyne, on Flickr
Cracking bird (Jan’s favourite)….I like the seasonal looking surround as well.

Sadly we only get them in the garden occasionally during prolonged very cold weather….which we don’t seem to get down here now (not complaining).
The other lovely coloured bird I like is the Cirl Bunting. 
Maybe a caravan trip to Devon is called for.:thumbs:



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Posted by Iain: Fri Feb 2nd, 2024 09:13 18th Post
Eric wrote:
Cracking bird (Jan’s favourite)….I like the seasonal looking surround as well.

Sadly we only get them in the garden occasionally during prolonged very cold weather….which we don’t seem to get down here now (not complaining).
The other lovely coloured bird I like is the Cirl Bunting. 
Maybe a caravan trip to Devon is called for.:thumbs:
We don't get them much up here now, I've only seen two this winter so far.



Posted by Iain: Thu Feb 8th, 2024 10:12 19th Post
Crossbill.


_A101174 by Iain Clyne, on Flickr



Posted by Eric: Thu Feb 8th, 2024 10:42 20th Post
Excellent photo Iain. Was that local to you?

We used to have a flock in the woods at Sandringham back in the 1980’s before I photographed birds ( just watched them). 

They would congregate in the pines at the Sandringham House carpark! Presumable it was because the cars created potholes that retained water….as they were often seen drinking.  

The crazy thing was that the public gathered in their thousands to see the Royals go to the church every Christmas. 
I’ve seen people picnicking in their cars with flocks (20-30 birds) dropping cone detritus down on the cars …and they never noticed.

Sadly they have long gone…..not the visitors though:whip:



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Posted by Iain: Thu Feb 8th, 2024 12:47 21st Post
It was at my local reserve. I've been going there for 18 years and this is the first time I have seen them there, There is a large pine woods just over the river so may have come from there.



Posted by Eric: Thu Feb 8th, 2024 13:44 22nd Post
Iain wrote:
It was at my local reserve. I've been going there for 18 years and this is the first time I have seen them there, There is a large pine woods just over the river so may have come from there. Strange things do happen like that. I was showing my birding mate photos from 1999 when we had a Golden Pheasant appear in the garden. Very nervous and secretive! Hiding at the slightest noise. (The pheasant not my mate) :lol:
I think there is only one place (in East Norfolk) where they exist…and only in a few pairs. So I have no idea where he came from. Stayed about a week then vanished.

Going back to the 70/80s we had Spotted Flycatchers and Redpolls nesting in the garden!! But as they built housing around us the wildlife disappeared. Redpolls only come here in very harsh winters….which we aren’t likely to see again. And Spotted Flycatchers are only found in rural church graveyards, again in the east of the county.

We are building so much there is no room for wildlife. My neighbours have gained planning permission to build 3 houses on their garden….right at the bottom of our garden where the tawny owl roosts……not any more.

BIG ENLARGEMENT of a print taken on compact camera from house…..so not good but ok for ID.




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……And a Spofly in the apple tree next to my shed…taken with 50mm Yashica film camera ….BAF (before auto focus)



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sat Feb 10th, 2024 14:48 23rd Post
A Green Woodpecker in our garden this morning. Had to shoot through glass Sony A1 with a 600-200mm lens

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Posted by Eric: Sat Feb 10th, 2024 15:28 24th Post
Lovely shots Graham. How close was he?



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Posted by Iain: Sat Feb 10th, 2024 18:00 25th Post
Nice shots Graham.



Posted by Graham Whistler: Sat Feb 10th, 2024 18:52 26th Post
I was using the lens at 600mm (no x1.4) and it must have been about 25 feet away so images did not need to be cropped very much, 1/500 sec and 1600 ISO. As stated I shot it through the glass as if I opened the door it would have taken off, it was on the lawn feeding for about 15 mins. This photo is the full frame as shot.

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Posted by Eric: Sat Feb 10th, 2024 19:13 27th Post
You are lucky. When they come here they are right down the bottom of our lawn 75+ feet….so lots more cropping needed.



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Posted by Iain: Sat Feb 10th, 2024 20:21 28th Post
Your both lucky, I’m lucky to see one.



Posted by Graham Whistler: Tue Feb 13th, 2024 15:20 29th Post
In our garden today in the rain and under bushes Sparrowhawk with a kill. Did my best 5000 ISO  Sony A1 500-200mm lens

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Posted by Iain: Tue Feb 13th, 2024 16:35 30th Post
A good meal for a Sparrowhawk.



Posted by Iain: Tue Feb 13th, 2024 16:39 31st Post
I have seen these but this is the first pic I have got of one, not the best.



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Tue Feb 13th, 2024 17:08 32nd Post
Ian that looks good to me. This is another shot of the Sparrowhawk. She was there for over an hour and let me very slowly get quite close. Plastic bag on top of camera as we had rain all afternoon.

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Posted by Eric: Tue Feb 13th, 2024 17:13 33rd Post
Ive never seen a Firecrest, let alone photographed one :bowing:



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Posted by Eric: Tue Feb 13th, 2024 17:18 34th Post
Graham Whistler wrote:
Ian that looks good to me. This is another shot of the Sparrowhawk. She was there for over an hour and let me very slowly get quite close. Plastic bag on top of camera as we had rain all afternoon.

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That’s a lovely catch, Graham (for you and the Pigeonhawk) . The ones that visit us are more timid and quickly fly off when they see our movement.



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Posted by chrisbet: Tue Feb 13th, 2024 17:46 35th Post
Sadly we don't get hawks here - but the resident fox takes out the occasional pigeon :-)



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Wed Feb 14th, 2024 11:18 36th Post
Above photo, before editing in Photoshop as you will see quite a lot of help from AI was needed and all was Content Aware only ie from my camera image as shot. See data of content data as recorded below and yes I DID NOT turn on Content-Aware before editing.   Camera data: Sony AI with 600-200mm at  600mm handheld in rain 1/320 sec f6.3  ISO 3200

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Posted by Eric: Wed Feb 14th, 2024 20:33 37th Post
I am not sure Content Aware alterations would / should be regarded as controversial?

It’s the use of AI, to generate images or parts of images from Adobe stock, that ruffles feathers in the competition/ copyright fraternities. I therefore feel that including basic Photoshop adjustments(however sophisticated and automated they may be) in the Content Credentials is a bit unnecessary…especially when you can switch it off beforehand.



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Posted by Iain: Thu Feb 15th, 2024 09:33 38th Post
I think for competitions etc that the content credentials should have to be switched on so any AI will be shown so no cheating goes on.



Posted by Eric: Thu Feb 15th, 2024 11:15 39th Post
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I think for competitions etc that the content credentials should have to be switched on so any AI will be shown so no cheating goes on. Surely that's down to the organisers specifying the rules of the competition?  You can enable Content Credentials AFTER doing the editing and it doesn't retrospectively show what you had done.

I do think we are getting our knickers in a twist to some extent over this subject.  

The key point is....has AI (ie Adobe Firefly) been used to replace key parts of the image? This might contravene the competition rules.

I didn't think AI/Firefly use could be switched off in content credentials?  Isn't it only the editing actions that are switchable?

To my mind, it doesn't matter if you use the clone tool to remove detail or use the content aware feature to do it... it's still basic editing using software features.

If you choose to add or replace large elements like a sky or scenery and you do it manually with your own image stock, then its down to the competition organisers to specify that the photograph should be unaltered ....'as shot'.

But then, what about adjusting levels, curves, sharpening and cropping? Are they considered different to cloning and substitutions? They are all Adobes programming.



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Posted by Iain: Thu Feb 22nd, 2024 14:25 40th Post
Heron with frog/toad dinner.


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Posted by Eric: Thu Feb 22nd, 2024 17:10 41st Post
Iain wrote:
Heron with frog/toad dinner.


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Good catch!...for the Heron ......and you.



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Posted by Eric: Thu Feb 22nd, 2024 20:15 42nd Post
Saw this in the Rhea-view mirror....


:hardhat: Will get my coat now!



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Posted by Iain: Fri Feb 23rd, 2024 08:37 43rd Post
What the peck are you looking at!

Will you get my coat while you're there Eric.



Posted by Eric: Fri Feb 23rd, 2024 13:11 44th Post
Iain wrote:
What the peck are you looking at!

Will you get my coat while you're there Eric.
:lol: We are going to get banned from the forum.



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Posted by Iain: Fri Feb 23rd, 2024 21:14 45th Post
:lol::lol:If they ban us there will be next to nobody posting.



Posted by chrisbet: Fri Feb 23rd, 2024 21:42 46th Post
Hmmm  -- in that case your "punishment" is to go and find a new member who will be active ,,,, :lol:



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sun Feb 25th, 2024 15:17 47th Post
Goldfinch from Scotland on a good bright Winters-day Nikon D500 with the 500mm PF. I wish I had a lens like this for the Sony A1.

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Posted by Iain: Sun Feb 25th, 2024 20:27 48th Post
Graham Whistler wrote:
Goldfinch from Scotland on a good bright Winters-day Nikon D500 with the 500mm PF. I wish I had a lens like this for the Sony A1.

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The new Sigma 500mm f5.6 seems very similar to the pf



Posted by Eric: Sun Feb 25th, 2024 20:48 49th Post
I enjoyed my D850& 500PF combo but I still think the Sony A1 with 200-600 gives a better result. 

Unfortunately, the A1 combo is 500g heavier.

Just a passing observation…..the Sony 100-400 is lighter than the Nikon 500PF, so might be an alternative, to reduce the weight in the hand. And at £3400 for the 500PF, you could have both the Sony zooms for the same total!



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sun Feb 25th, 2024 21:16 50th Post
I like my Sony 100-400 it is very sharp and has quite a good range and you can get 560mm with the x1.4 extender but for small birds, the 600mm with x1.4 lens gives 840mm and we all agree it is a super lens and with a remarkably reasonable price.



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Posted by Eric: Tue Feb 27th, 2024 10:28 51st Post
Graham Whistler wrote:
I like my Sony 100-400 it is very sharp and has quite a good range and you can get 560mm with the x1.4 extender but for small birds, the 600mm with x1.4 lens gives 840mm and we all agree it is a super lens and with a remarkably reasonable price. Although we may need to add to the lens purchase, the price of a gym subscription to get back some upper body strength fromweight training. :-)



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Posted by Iain: Tue Feb 27th, 2024 20:18 52nd Post
What I was trying to say was:-

I am debating about getting rid of my 70-200 f2.8 and getting a 100-400. I use the 2.8 with the 1.4 tc so am at f4 so would only lose one stop of light.

Time to think.



Posted by Iain: Thu Feb 29th, 2024 09:46 53rd Post
Male Chaffinch. Even the more common birds can look good.


_A102238 by Iain Clyne, on Flickr



Posted by Eric: Thu Feb 29th, 2024 12:36 54th Post
Not common round here Iain, only one pair seen this year,:needsahug:

Lovely lighting and pose:thumbs:



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Posted by Iain: Thu Feb 29th, 2024 13:05 55th Post
Eric wrote:
Not common round here Iain, only one pair seen this year,:needsahug:

Lovely lighting and pose:thumbs:
It's amazing how some birds are seen less in places. I would have thought Chaffinch's would be seen everywhere. Another one people say we're lucky to have here is bullfinches.



Posted by Eric: Thu Feb 29th, 2024 22:35 56th Post
Iain wrote:
It's amazing how some birds are seen less in places. I would have thought Chaffinch's would be seen everywhere. Another one people say we're lucky to have here is bullfinches. They were 4 or 5 years back but like the greenfinch they seem to have vanished. We only get Goldfinches in any numbers (even they are much reduced) and only seen 1 greenfinch and a pair of Chaffs this year.  ironically during the RSPB survey hour...so they clearly came to be registered. lol

Havent seen a bullfinch for 3 or more years! 

When we first moved here we had spoflys and redpolls nesting in the garden. Now all gone. I blame the urbanisation that has crept around us, as our garden has been made a wildlife haven. We are like an oasis to any birds that find there way here but they just seem to have given up except when food is short, and gone to quieter less disturbed locations. 



Pouring with rain again today and these smart little visitors, that have been coming on and off since Jan 28, sought sanctuary under the garden bench in the rose garden area.....




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They first came on Jans birthday (28th) ....I told her it was her birthday present. :lol:

They have become quite content with my presence moving about the garden and getting the car out.The male even comes towards me if I throw out some food....which makes me wonder if he is a reared bird that avoided getting shot and found himself a wild lady. She runs when I come out the door.....like most women these days. :needsahug:



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Posted by Iain: Thu Mar 7th, 2024 15:15 57th Post
A Goosander arrived at a local pond.


_A103874-Edit by Iain Clyne, on Flickr



Posted by Eric: Thu Mar 7th, 2024 15:44 58th Post
Iain wrote:
A Goosander arrived at a local pond.


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Lovely bird. Not often you see them on land.



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Posted by Iain: Sun Mar 10th, 2024 12:31 59th Post
Another one just to keep things moving. A close Red Kite, his name is Chester, he is 18 years old this year and still has the radio tracker he was fitted with.



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Posted by Eric: Sun Mar 10th, 2024 17:59 60th Post
Nice exposure Iain….and light on the head too. :thumbs:

Was that +1 exp comp on the A1?



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Posted by Iain: Sun Mar 10th, 2024 20:11 61st Post
It was +1and a 1/3



Posted by jk: Tue Mar 12th, 2024 22:04 62nd Post
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It was +1and a 1/3 Interesting.  
On my Fujis I tend to use +1.66 but same (+1.33) on my Nikons.



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Posted by Eric: Wed Mar 13th, 2024 19:57 63rd Post
jk wrote:
Interesting.  
On my Fujis I tend to use +1.66 but same (+1.33) on my Nikons.
Is that a DX effect?



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Posted by jk: Sat Mar 16th, 2024 13:15 64th Post
I dont think so it is just a difference in the Fuji metering.



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Posted by Iain: Thu Mar 21st, 2024 13:55 65th Post
A Water Rail.


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Posted by Graham Whistler: Thu Mar 21st, 2024 21:35 66th Post
Eagle Owl

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Posted by Iain: Fri Mar 22nd, 2024 14:40 67th Post
Nice shot Graham, I'm guessing a captive bird.



Posted by Graham Whistler: Tue Mar 26th, 2024 11:09 68th Post
Some older Nikon D500 with 80-400mm lens Kenya 2019   "Thick-knee"  very similar to our Stone-curlew.

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Posted by jk: Thu Mar 28th, 2024 18:01 69th Post
Iain wrote:
Nice shot Graham, I'm guessing a captive bird. I can see the tresses on the foot.
Ai, Ai or is that Aye, aye.



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Fri Mar 29th, 2024 13:38 70th Post
Wild one in game park in Kenya no tresses of AI.



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Tue Apr 2nd, 2024 16:09 71st Post
Kestrel: Nikon D850 with 500mm F4 Lens

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Posted by Iain: Fri Apr 5th, 2024 09:01 72nd Post
Willow Tit.


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Posted by Graham Whistler: Mon Apr 8th, 2024 17:04 73rd Post
Pigeons have been nesting under our sola panels so we had some protection fitted today. All looks good and the birds not too happy! Sony A1 

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Posted by chrisbet: Mon Apr 8th, 2024 21:23 74th Post
We had the same problem - solved by fitting an ultrasonic device under the panels .... cheaper, easier and it keeps the buggers off the roof completely.



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Posted by Iain: Wed Apr 10th, 2024 14:50 75th Post
chrisbet wrote:
We had the same problem - solved by fitting an ultrasonic device under the panels .... cheaper, easier and it keeps the buggers off the roof completely. Wonder if that would keep Pheasants off the bird food. :lol:



Posted by chrisbet: Wed Apr 10th, 2024 15:48 76th Post
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Wonder if that would keep Pheasants off the bird food. :lol: I expect so - but all the other birds too ...... :thumbsdown:



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Mon Apr 15th, 2024 16:18 77th Post
Some more of our local birds from a friend's hide in his wood from my last trip there. Taken with the Sony A1 and 200-600mm lens. Hope the weather holds for next Saterday's day trip there with two of my Camera Club friends.

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Posted by Iain: Mon Apr 15th, 2024 20:22 78th Post
Nice Graham.



Posted by Eric: Fri Apr 19th, 2024 17:56 79th Post
Is there ever a more beautiful duck than the drake Eider?




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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sun Apr 21st, 2024 15:59 80th Post
Yesterday I had another good shoot at my friend Pete's wood with two friends from Gosport Camera Club. Again my Sony A1 and 200-600mm lens, most shots are ISO ranging from 2000-3200 very little noise!

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Posted by Iain: Sun Apr 21st, 2024 20:25 81st Post
Eric wrote:
Is there ever a more beautiful duck than the drake Eider?




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King Eider.



Posted by Eric: Mon Apr 22nd, 2024 10:23 82nd Post
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King Eider. I will let you know if I changed my opinion…when/if I see one. :thumbs:



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Posted by chrisbet: Mon Apr 22nd, 2024 13:21 83rd Post
My vote goes to the Mallard .... :lol:



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Posted by Eric: Fri Apr 26th, 2024 10:20 84th Post
A beautiful engine and masterful engineering …..


But I always found that a strangely inappropriate name for a fast train, a slow flying duck. I was also not actually sure it was the right colour. Why not the green of the Mallard drakes neck?


I am supported in this view by an expert in the field….



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Posted by Eric: Fri Apr 26th, 2024 11:27 86th Post
One more..... Did I mention I think Eider Ducks are beautiful?  :lol:




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.......and her ladyship.....



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Posted by Iain: Fri Apr 26th, 2024 13:16 87th Post
Nice set of shots but a bit confused by the Ostrich! :lol:



Posted by chrisbet: Fri Apr 26th, 2024 13:35 88th Post
The "ostrich" is hiding its shame from Eric - everyone knows the secondary wing feathers of daddy eider are blue



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Posted by Eric: Fri Apr 26th, 2024 14:34 89th Post
chrisbet wrote:
The "ostrich" is hiding its shame from Eric - everyone knows the secondary wing feathers of daddy eider are blue I did know that the mallard speculum is blue and it varies in hue with the reflected light. It may be the purists approach to take the exact colour pigment whereas I would have thought a darker rendition would have been more in keeping on a masculine engine. Better still call it the Falcon or Raven…then soppy blue doesn’t come into it.:devil:



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Posted by chrisbet: Fri Apr 26th, 2024 15:06 90th Post
Maybe it was a nod to her majesty - royal blue?



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Posted by Eric: Fri Apr 26th, 2024 17:48 91st Post
chrisbet wrote:
Maybe it was a nod to her majesty - royal blue? They could have gone the whole hog and called it the Corgi and painted it brown on top and cream underbelly. :lol:



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Posted by chrisbet: Fri Apr 26th, 2024 18:55 92nd Post
Been done  - Pullman coaches ...



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